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Bender Rodríguez · 05-08-2008, 12:12 PM

and i really do prefer the power brakes

but could do without the abs.... and i didn't want A/C but i am learning to live with it. i like the knowledge i have door beams, and after seeings a few crashes i think the front structure is a good idea. i abhore the touring package, its a sign of the devil. i think the dash... while ok, ..i dunno - i would have liked it more 340r'ish simplier and lighter and more stylized. we have fancy federal glass and blinkers and such... blingy wheel sizes, i am a fan of the 111r powertrain, i think it works briliant as both jackle and hyde. certailly there is a good 40lbs of just "sheathing" all over the car now - which has made it more suitable as a real production car (bulkhead panles, wheel liners, engine bay liners, bla bla bla.) - i have a feeling the car would not have sold so well in the US - at that, or antything close, price point - with out thoose finishing (for lotus at least) touches.[/quote]

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I understand the extra weight with add ons that come with features, I was only hoping to quantify the weight amount that comes with US standards for safety. Personally if that number is in excess of 50 lbs you can have it in my opinion, I don’t feel the US roads and drivers are any more of a danger to me (I could be wrong though). Having worked with some vehicle impacts and regulations it’s my opinion that a lot of US law if driven by emotion and ridiculous lawsuits. Heck I’m not even sure the Elise meets all safety standards if I remember looking up something I thought I saw a petition that lotus filed due to economic hardship the elise did not meet all of 201a or 201u specs, I’ld have to look it up again. Bu to your point 2000 lbs is quite impressive for what it does achieve. I know there are a couple of extremely light cars out there and I’m curious how they did it.

05-08-2008, 12:12 PM	#17 (permalink)
Bender Rodríguez Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 356	and i really do prefer the power brakes but could do without the abs.... and i didn't want A/C but i am learning to live with it. i like the knowledge i have door beams, and after seeings a few crashes i think the front structure is a good idea. i abhore the touring package, its a sign of the devil. i think the dash... while ok, ..i dunno - i would have liked it more 340r'ish simplier and lighter and more stylized. we have fancy federal glass and blinkers and such... blingy wheel sizes, i am a fan of the 111r powertrain, i think it works briliant as both jackle and hyde. certailly there is a good 40lbs of just "sheathing" all over the car now - which has made it more suitable as a real production car (bulkhead panles, wheel liners, engine bay liners, bla bla bla.) - i have a feeling the car would not have sold so well in the US - at that, or antything close, price point - with out thoose finishing (for lotus at least) touches.[/quote] <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o> I understand the extra weight with add ons that come with features, I was only hoping to quantify the weight amount that comes with US standards for safety. Personally if that number is in excess of 50 lbs you can have it in my opinion, I don’t feel the US roads and drivers are any more of a danger to me (I could be wrong though). Having worked with some vehicle impacts and regulations it’s my opinion that a lot of US law if driven by emotion and ridiculous lawsuits. Heck I’m not even sure the Elise meets all safety standards if I remember looking up something I thought I saw a petition that lotus filed due to economic hardship the elise did not meet all of 201a or 201u specs, I’ld have to look it up again. Bu to your point 2000 lbs is quite impressive for what it does achieve. I know there are a couple of extremely light cars out there and I’m curious how they did it.