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Originally Posted by fishguy
+1 to this statement about brennons posts.
#1)we stole the indians land and way of life......................
#2) also, I am in AZ., lots of immigrantion issues here from the south.
people dont come here for freebies as you think, they come here for opportunities to make a better life for them and their families, just as my grandparents did. the people from south of the border generally work much harder, dont expect a cigarette break every 30 minutes, and are not looking for handouts, they are looking for opportunities to WORK.
there are not the same opportunities in many countries like there are here in the US. thats why people want to be here.
what i see the biggest issue is, as far as immigrating from mex. anyway, is that the only way you can do so legally is to get married during you short 6 month visitors visa stay..................
IMO they need to make a guest worker program and legally allow people to live here, work, pay taxes. break they law(not traffic laws, but crimes with victims), and adios muchachos por vida.
here in AZ they are enforcing/posturing to enforce the laws with employer sanctions.......... problem is, they will remove the workforce from these jobs. many americans (over 18 yrs old)dont want many of these jobs that are being taken because welfare pays more than working many of these crappy jobs. now the economy will suffer. when it hits the wallet, the laws will change. stop allowing welfare for long term, people will get hingry and work. why are so many poor people in THIS country fat, and other countries they (the poor)are skin and bones?
its a no win for anyone, but IMO, they need to make the legal residency easier for those who want to work and contribute to society, and have the opportunities that we(US citizens) take for granted here.
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I never said anything against immigration
I pointed out the fact that many southwesterners have a problem with illegal immigration due to the drain on the healthcare systems, school systems, etc. You think anyone would be complaining if all they did was pick strawberries? That's a bit of a simplification of the issues at hand. If we ended the freebies, people would simply stop caring. I'm sure they do come here for a better life, but that does not mean they do not place a drain on the health care system, school system, etc. I've worked in a hospital and my significant other works with mediCal appeals. A majority of all mediCal appeals are for illegal aliens. This may not be their intent, but it's just how it is and why there is so much animosity towards them.
As far as Indians go...I've never quite understood the argument. It kind of assumes it was filled with peaceful and harmonious people that never warred with each other or conquered land. The europeans certainly commited atrocities, but so did numerous tribes.