Elise Track Time List

[richw350]

All,

This thread is meant for educational purposes. I hope this will help the fellow Elise/Exige gauge their times against similar cars running the same track.

Note: I will only add times to the list if they contain the following information:

1. Track
2. Date
3. Car
4. Name
5. Tires
6. Car Modifications
7. Air Temp. (if available)

Let's try to keep this as an accurate list of times.


P.S. Although this is mainly for Elise and Exige times, other cars ar fine as well.

[richw350]

<table border='1'><TR><TD colspan='6'>Lime Rock</td></tr>
<tr><td>Time</td><td>Date</td><td>Car</td><td>Name</td><td>Tires</td><td>Air Temp</td><td>Modifications</td></tr>
<tr><td>0:59.27</td><td>JUNE07</td><td>'00 Exige</td><td>mikelr</td><td>Hoosier</td><td>N/A</td><td>Nitron S/A, Pagid RS-14</td></tr>
<tr><td>1:02.70</td><td>SEPT06</td><td>'05 Elise</td><td> cgomez</td><td>A048</td><td>N/A</td><td>LSS, Stock</td></tr></table>

<table border='1'><TR><TD colspan='6'>Pocono East</td></tr>
<tr><td>Time</td><td>Date</td><td>Car</td><td>Name</td><td>Tires</td><td>Air Temp</td><td>Modifications</td></tr>
<tr><td>1:12.26</td><td>JUL06</td><td>'05 Elise</td><td> cgomez</td><td>RA-1</td><td>N/A</td><td>LSS, Stock</td></tr></table>

<table border='1'><TR><TD colspan='6'>Putnam Park</td></tr>
<tr><td>Time</td><td>Date</td><td>Car</td><td>Name</td><td>Tires</td><td>Air Temp</td><td>Modifications</td></tr>
<tr><td>1:25.00</td><td>12AUG07</td><td>'05 Elise</td><td> Chris N</td><td>A048</td><td>96 deg F</td><td>LSS, HT, XS Intake, Ported TB, QS Exhaust<BR>Braile Battery, Fr. Shims removed, B&M Shifter,<BR> SS Brake Lines, Porterfield Pads</td></tr></table>

<table border='1'><TR><TD colspan='6'>Watkins Glen</td></tr>
<tr><td>Time</td><td>Date</td><td>Car</td><td>Name</td><td>Tires</td><td>Air Temp</td><td>Modifications</td></tr>
<tr><td>2:11.23</td><td>AUG07</td><td>'00 Exige</td><td>mikelr</td><td>Hoosier</td><td>N/A</td><td>Nitron S/A, Pagid RS-14</td></tr>
<tr><td>2:16.65</td><td>OCT06</td><td>'05 Elise</td><td> cgomez</td><td>RA-1</td><td>N/A</td><td>LSS, Stock</td></tr></table>

[richw350]

<table border='1'><TR><TD colspan='6'>Pacific Raceways</td></tr>
<tr><td>Time</td><td>Date</td><td>Car</td><td>Name</td><td>Tires</td><td>Air Temp</td><td>Modifications</td></tr>
<tr><td>1:38.95</td><td>26JUL07</td><td>'0? Elise</td><td> RT</td><td>Nitto/RA-1</td><td>78 deg F</td><td>Fr. Shims removed, lowered, PFC97 brakes</td></tr></table>

[richw350]

<table border='1'><TR><TD colspan='6'>Summit Point Raceway - Main</td></tr>
<tr><td>Time</td><td>Date</td><td>Car</td><td>Name</td><td>Tires</td><td>Air Temp</td><td>Modifications</td></tr>
<tr><td>1:24.21</td><td>MAY07</td><td>'00 Exige</td><td>mikelr</td><td>Hoosier</td><td>N/A</td><td>Nitron S/A, Pagid RS-14</td></tr>
<tr><td>1:25.75</td><td>NOV06</td><td>'05 Elise</td><td>cgomez</td><td>RA-1</td><td>N/A</td><td>LSS, Stock</td></tr>
<tr><td>1:30.80</td><td>12MAY07</td><td>'05 Elise</td><td> Ram</td><td>A048</td><td>85 deg F</td><td>LSS, Stock</td></tr></table>

<table border='1'><TR><TD colspan='6'>Virginia International Raceway</td></tr>
<tr><td>Time</td><td>Date</td><td>Car</td><td>Name</td><td>Tires</td><td>Air Temp</td><td>Modifications</td></tr>
<tr><td>2:11.82</td><td>JULY07</td><td>'00 Exige</td><td>mikelr</td><td>Hoosier</td><td>N/A</td><td>Nitron S/A, Pagid RS-14</td></tr></table>

[richw350]

<table border='1'><TR><TD colspan='6'>Brainerd International Raceway</td></tr>
<tr><td>Time</td><td>Date</td><td>Car</td><td>Name</td><td>Tires</td><td>Air Temp</td><td>Modifications</td></tr>
<tr><td>1:59.686</td><td>28APR07</td><td>'06 Elise</td><td> Conan Dombroski</td><td>Avon TechR-a</td><td>N/A</td><td>Touring, Stock</td></tr></table>

<table border='1'><TR><TD colspan='6'>Grattan Raceway Park</td></tr>
<tr><td>Time</td><td>Date</td><td>Car</td><td>Name</td><td>Tires</td><td>Air Temp</td><td>Modifications</td></tr>
<tr><td>1:34.00</td><td>28JUL07</td><td>'06 Elise</td><td> Conan Dombroski</td><td>Avon TechR-a</td><td>N/A</td><td>Touring, Stock, 1st event</td></tr></table>

<table border='1'><TR><TD colspan='6'>Heartland Park Topeka (HPT) – Full Course</td></tr>
<tr><td>Time</td><td>Date</td><td>Car</td><td>Name</td><td>Tires</td><td>Air Temp</td><td>Modifications</td></tr>
<tr><td>2:05.20</td><td>20OCT07</td><td>'05 Elise</td><td> David Stewart</td><td>A048</td><td>N/A</td><td>LSS, HT, XS Intake</td></tr></table>

<table border='1'><TR><TD colspan='6'>Heartland Park Topeka (HPT) – Club Course</td></tr>
<tr><td>Time</td><td>Date</td><td>Car</td><td>Name</td><td>Tires</td><td>Air Temp</td><td>Modifications</td></tr>
<tr><td>1:43.90</td><td>20JUN07</td><td>'05 Elise</td><td> David Stewart</td><td>A048</td><td>N/A</td><td>LSS, HT, XS Intake, FF Header, 2bular</td></tr></table>

<table border='1'><TR><TD colspan='6'>Mid America Motorplex (MAM)</td></tr>
<tr><td>Time</td><td>Date</td><td>Car</td><td>Name</td><td>Tires</td><td>Air Temp</td><td>Modifications</td></tr>
<tr><td>1:50.10</td><td>8APR07</td><td>'06 Elise</td><td> Conan Dombroski</td><td>AD07’s</td><td>37 deg F</td><td>Touring, Stock</td></tr>
<tr><td>1:51.21</td><td>26AUG06</td><td>'05 Elise</td><td> David Stewart</td><td>A048</td><td>N/A</td><td>LSS, HT, XS Intake</td></tr></table>

[richw350]

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[JonOrangeElise]

Originally Posted by ace10

unsolicited $0.02

newcomers and individuals getting into track days should not be worried about track times. they should be concerned with developing track awareness, hitting apexes, picking up the flags stands every time, and having fun. i do not belive that comparing times is educational. there are far too many variable/factors to make them even relevant.

in addition, insurance for street-legal cars that allows for track usage will most likely exclude coverage if you are keeping times.

the best evidence of improved performance is whether, on average, you are having to give less point-by's and/or waiting for the next passing opportunity to get by someone. stopwatches are for advanced driver's who have mastered all the simple stuff and are tinkering with set-ups (which can't be captured in a simple list or database) and or specific techniques. i am certainly not there and i suspect that 80 to 90% of the people that participate in track days aren't either.

so let's call this what it is.... a bragging rights thread.

and i'll delete this post after it has had a chance to be seen.

That two cents was worth a lot more than two cents.

Rich350, because of his autox experience, is probably experienced enough not to let lap time angst create red mist. But in general, newcomers shouldn't even think about laptimes.

[Ginetta]

i was just about to ask for lap times for portland international raceway, so I think this is a good thread!!!

And for reference with a 1966 ginetta g-12 on avon's with treads, I ran a 1.26.83 there. Curious to see what elises/exiges do.

[Viggen]

Putnam Park

time = upper 1:24's
date = fall 06
car = 1988 saab 900 spg, 117,000 miles
Name = Gary
Tire = Toyo RA-1's
modifications = larger turbo, 550# front 750 # rear springs, AP Racing brakes, FMIC etc

Still have a long ways to go, I know there are a few seconds I can drop off

Last time there earlier this summer I was in the upper 1.25's due to my tires finally letting go

[sjm]

I have to agree with ace10 as keeping times is for advanced drivers, not those new to track days. I've instructed for many years in the NW and support ace10's comments on what novice drivers should be learning and how to best judge their progress. Personally, I have never timed a personal lap while at a track day, that is what racing is for! Have had others time me from the stands and I am always surprised when they tell me what I was running. My focus is being smooth and consistent to set a good example for my students.

My $.02 worth!

Steve

[Conan]

<table border='1'><TR><TD colspan='6'>Brainerd International Raceway</td></tr><tr><td>Time</td><td>Date</td><td>Car</td><td>Name</td><td>Tires</td><td>Modifications</td></tr>
<tr><td>1:59.686</td><td>28APR07</td><td>'06 Elise</td><td> Conan Dombroski</td><td>Avon TechR-a</td><td>none (base car with <BR>touring pk only)</td></tr><TR><TD colspan='6'>notes: I was faster the next day, but wasn't running with a logger.</td></tr></table>
<table border='1'><TR><TD colspan='6'>Mid America Motorplex</td></tr><tr><td>Time</td><td>Date</td><td>Car</td><td>Name</td><td>Tires</td><td>Modifications</td></tr>
<tr><td>1:50.10</td><td>08APR07</td><td>'06 Elise</td><td> Conan Dombroski</td><td>AD07's</td><td>none (base car with <BR>touring pk only)</td></tr><TR><TD colspan='6'>notes: This was in 37 deg F!</td></tr></table>
<table border='1'><TR><TD colspan='6'>Grattan Raceway Park</td></tr><tr><td>Time</td><td>Date</td><td>Car</td><td>Name</td><td>Tires</td><td>Modifications</td></tr>
<tr><td>1:34.0</td><td>28JUL07</td><td>'06 Elise</td><td> Conan Dombroski</td><td>Avon TechR-a</td><td>none (base car with <BR>touring pk only)</td></tr><TR><TD colspan='6'>notes: This was my first time ever at this track.</td></tr></table>

[Conan]

I disagree about the comments regarding lap times at DE's. I DO agree that beginners should not keep them, but it's definitely the best measurement to use for experienced drivers.

Also, many active racers use DE's as a means of getting setup for a race. It's relatively cheap track time to use for practicing.

[gobuffs]

Originally Posted by richw350

Let's get real here. There is a big difference between keeping datalogs of your laptimes at an HDPE, and a timed race.

He is actually spot on....you are the newbie and the one that needs to get real. Timing is a huge no no and can cause problems if there is an incident. Some organizers are more sensitive to it than others.

[richw350]

Originally Posted by gobuffs

He is actually spot on....you are the newbie and the one that needs to get real. Timing is a huge no no and can cause problems if there is an incident. Some organizers are more sensitive to it than others.

There is no problem with keeping datalogs of timing while adhering to all the track rules for conduct, etc. I agree some organizers will not allow it, for some good reasons. Some people have a problem conducting themselves correctly and following the rules. I do understand that it is not a race, but there is nothing wrong with benchmarking your lap against yourself, and later compare your times with others.

To go out on an HDPE and disreguard the rules and act like you are at an open race, is not acceptable and is not what we are talking about here.

Some here need to get off their throne and look at what the purpose of this is.

[cgomez]

Summit Point Raceway - Main
Time..........Date..........Car..........Name..... .....Tires..............Modifications............. ......................
1:25.75......11/2006......'05 Elise......cgomez..............RA-1.............LSS, Stock

Video of Session of a 1:26.5 that same weekend(http://homepage.mac.com/c.gomez/iMovieTheater20.html)

LimeRock Park
Time..........Date..........Car..........Name..... .....Tires..............Modifications............. ......................
1:02.7......9/2006......'05 Elise......cgomez.........048................LSS, Stock

Watkins Glen
Time..........Date..........Car..........Name..... .....Tires..............Modifications............. ......................
2:16.65......10/2006......'05 Elise......cgomez.......RA-1................LSS, Stock

Pocono East
Time..........Date..........Car..........Name..... .....Tires..............Modifications............. ......................
1:12.26......7/2006......'05 Elise......cgomez.........RA-1................LSS, Stock

Time recorded under official Time Trial event

Some laps from that day (http://homepage.mac.com/c.gomez/iMovieTheater18.html)

[XPcarguy]

Originally Posted by JonOrangeElise

That two cents was worth a lot more than two cents.

Rich350, because of his autox experience, is probably experienced enough not to let lap time angst create red mist. But in general, newcomers shouldn't even think about laptimes.

I respectfully disagree with both posts. But since the other one was deleted, I'll reply here.

Information is never a bad thing. I respect the idea of warning someone to use the info properly. I just don't like dismissing the info as a bad thing. Without it, I probably would have convinced myself that I was doing well at 2:20 and never would have taken it up a notch. On the other hand, if random Joe Schmoe goes out there and busts out a time I can't beat, I'm hardly going to try to equal him. Instead, I'll be cognizant that I'm really slow and just keep working on my craft until it feels right to go faster.

I would like to think that everyone here is mature enough to drive according to his/her own limits and the inherent fear factor would be enough to inspire low speeds. Especially since the car feels really hard to handle at the hands of a newb.

I also believe that one of the key aspects of a trackday is to send home the first time yahoo muttering things like, "Wow. That felt super fast to me but Jon is 15 seconds faster. Apparently, the driver is more significant than the car. I have work to do."

[richw350]

Originally Posted by XPcarguy

* Information is never a bad thing. I respect the idea of warning someone to use the info properly. I just don't like dismissing the info as a bad thing. Without it, I probably would have convinced myself that I was doing well at 2:20 and never would have taken it up a notch. On the other hand, if random Joe Schmoe goes out there and busts out a 1:45, I'm hardly going to try to equal him. Instead, I'll be cognizant that I'm really slow and just keep working on my craft until it feels right to go faster.

Absolutely! Well said.

[ace10]

XP and others... FYI... the text for the lead-in post of this thread has been modified significantly by the OP. it orginally read that this thread was specfically intended for first timers and people just getting into driving on a track. as the OP has states in his "edit" note... the purpose of this thread has now been clarified.
my primary beef, if you read my embedded quoted, WAS that a first timer or anyone new has no business worrying about lap times. leave that to those folks who have reached the point where they are refining techniques and setups.
again, newbs should not be running lap timers, they should not be looking at their speedos, they should be listening to their instructors and concentrating on developing track awareness.
and i deleted my first post because i said i would when i first posted it. i didn't feel that it was necessary to belabor a point. i would hope that others can do the same.

[sjm]

richw350 - thank you for changing the title of this thread, much better now.

ace10 - well said, hopefully we are all done now!

all - Yes, I log times in a race car for all the reasons listed. At a track day, an easy way to know if you are improving is when you start catching cars that where faster then you. I know I am turning quick laps in my Elise when I catch a well driven, modified S that I run with.

Ginetta - I have run 1:28's in my box stock Elise at PIR. Best Lotus time I have heard of is said Exige S at 1:27.

[XPcarguy]

Originally Posted by sjm

all - Yes, I log times in a race car for all the reasons listed. At a track day, an easy way to know if you are improving is when you start catching cars that where faster then you. I know I am turning quick laps in my Elise when I catch a well driven, modified S that I run with.

You're promoting the exact sort of thing you claim to be against. How is using another driver as a carrot safer than using a laptime? Oh, you didn't actually claim to use them as the carrot. That's right. You are able to just be aware of how you fare against them. Excellent point. [pause contemplatively] Hey, how come you can't use a lap time in the same way you use other cars?

From another post, you claim your key objective is smoothness and consistency. Me too. I can show you pix I took with my phone of a longacre lap timer that show this:
03 2:13.14
04 2:13.14

Have you ever been that consistent? Who would know?

And why do you care what your laptimes are when you're racing? You're talking about races, not TTs right? Finishing order is the only thing that matters in a race.

My personal $.02, as long as everybody is chipping in, is that there are a lot of valid ways to float your own boat. As long as you are being responsible and safe, there is no reason to conform to somebody else's preferences.