CE Light after 4 days of ownership - LotusTalk

txdude · 07-02-2009, 07:52 PM

So I picked up an '05 Elise from an LT member on Monday then drove about 1400 miles home without any problems. But now the check engine light comes on shortly after leaving the grocery store today...

I drove Lola (her name

) home with no problems & have an appointment next week at our base auto shop to connect it to the computer. Other than driving in the rain today, my driving habits didn't differ from when I picked it up. I know rain shouldn't be able to get into the engine itself, but is there a flaw in the design of the "lid" that allows water to seep into the motor area?

Should I be worried? Thanks in advance for y'alls assistance!

*Note: I know it shouldn't matter as this appears to be common, but I have experienced that "gas" smell inside the cabin when driving, usually only when putting the windows down briefly.

RacyTracy · 07-02-2009, 07:55 PM

Check this for your leaky trunk-

Trunk hatch drain kits for sale.

And I assume the obvious, you've checked your gas cap?

Aedo · 07-02-2009, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by txdude

So I picked up an '05 Elise from an LT member on Monday then drove about 1400 miles home without any problems. But now the check engine light comes on shortly after leaving the grocery store today...

I drove Lola (her name

) home with no problems & have an appointment next week at our base auto shop to connect it to the computer. Other than driving in the rain today, my driving habits didn't differ from when I picked it up. I know rain shouldn't be able to get into the engine itself, but is there a flaw in the design of the "lid" that allows water to seep into the motor area?

Should I be worried? Thanks in advance for y'alls assistance!

err - no. This car was designed and is widely used in England (a country not well known for its sunny days

)

Quote:

Originally Posted by txdude

*Note: I know it shouldn't matter as this appears to be common, but I have experienced that "gas" smell inside the cabin when driving, usually only when putting the windows down briefly.

As Tracy says - check your gas cap. If it leaks you will get a CE light.

If the CE light is on constantly it is not an immediate threat. If it is flashing - don't drive!

TheViper · 07-03-2009, 05:16 AM

Another water related issue is the blower motor for the interior fan. Affixed to the underside of the motor is a resistor pack that can sit it water that flows though the top hood vents. If this resistor pack fails, the blower fan will not operated and it is "very" expensive to repair, entailing removal of the front clam. Lotus had a TSB for this and it involved drilling 4 drain holes in the chassis member in precise locations.
Cheers,
Michael

Krug1 · 07-03-2009, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by txdude

So I picked up an '05 Elise from an LT member on Monday then drove about 1400 miles home without any problems. But now the check engine light comes on shortly after leaving the grocery store today...

I drove Lola (her name

) home with no problems & have an appointment next week at our base auto shop to connect it to the computer. Other than driving in the rain today, my driving habits didn't differ from when I picked it up. I know rain shouldn't be able to get into the engine itself, but is there a flaw in the design of the "lid" that allows water to seep into the motor area?

Should I be worried? Thanks in advance for y'alls assistance!

*Note: I know it shouldn't matter as this appears to be common, but I have experienced that "gas" smell inside the cabin when driving, usually only when putting the windows down briefly.

My '05 CE light comes on once in a while, but it is typically right after I get caught in a heavy rain. The reason my mechanic suspects is due to my cold air intake sitting directly behind the engine vents on the side, unprotected, where it gets blasted by air and rain water...eventually the water makes it's way to an o2 sensor and it trips it.
Does your car have a cold air intake? I have also heard of the air filter being over oiled, which again eventually compromises the 02 sensor by coating it in oil.
How does the car run otherwise?
Take it to Auto Zone and they can reset it for you and tell you what the code is.
Just a couple thoughts.

Andy

txdude · 07-03-2009, 10:28 AM

Wow, thanks for all the quick replies. I can see I'm going to enjoy being a member of LT. Every single response was helpful. No problem with the gas cap & I'll cross my fingers about the resistor pack issue. Since the CE light isn't blinking I'll take Krug's suggestion & head to AutoZone in a bit.

Thanks RacyTracy for the link, I'll start this project soon.

Chris Mackey · 07-03-2009, 11:15 AM

Buy or borrow an OBDII reader. Then the computer can tell you why the CEL is lit.

sleepe · 07-03-2009, 11:38 AM

Is there a TSB repository somewhere in Lotustalk or elsewhere?

txdude · 07-03-2009, 12:10 PM

According to AutoZone, the OBDII reader determined the problem to be a "Major Exhaust Leak".

After visiting with my local Toyota dealership, their auto tech told me it could be three things: 1) Gas Cap--checked, 2) Fuel line from gas cap to tank, or 3) charcoal canister

I'm a novice when it comes to repairs. My experience goes as far as changing the head gasket & thermostat in my old Jeep. But I am looking forward to learning more so I'll start searching LT for directions to fix the problem after the holiday weekend. I have access to a lift on base so at least I won't have to pay a shop

Question: Can I safely drive her in the meantime, or is it best to simply park it? Note, it drove fine to AutoZone & back but I suppose this explains the "gas-like" smell whenever I crack the windows with the top on.

jmiesse · 07-03-2009, 12:16 PM

As for this

Quote:

Originally Posted by txdude

Question: Can I safely drive her in the meantime, or is it best to simply park it? Note, it drove fine to AutoZone & back but I suppose this explains the "gas-like" smell whenever I crack the windows with the top on.

Please post the specific code that came up.

Me! · 07-03-2009, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by txdude

According to AutoZone, the OBDII reader determined the problem to be a "Major Exhaust Leak".

After visiting with my local Toyota dealership, their auto tech told me it could be three things: 1) Gas Cap--checked, 2) Fuel line from gas cap to tank, or 3) charcoal canister

I'm a novice when it comes to repairs. My experience goes as far as changing the head gasket & thermostat in my old Jeep. But I am looking forward to learning more so I'll start searching LT for directions to fix the problem after the holiday weekend. I have access to a lift on base so at least I won't have to pay a shop

Question: Can I safely drive her in the meantime, or is it best to simply park it? Note, it drove fine to AutoZone & back but I suppose this explains the "gas-like" smell whenever I crack the windows with the top on.

Try taking off the gas cap and putting it back on making sure it clicks like 3 times so it gets a good seal. This is very common in all sorts of cars. The gas cap may also appear to be on tight, but this is the only way to ensure it really is. Also, if that is the problem, it might take a couple of restarts to turn the light off. Hope it helps!

RoadDad · 07-03-2009, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepe

Is there a TSB repository somewhere in Lotustalk or elsewhere?

On Charlie's workbench, the Lotus service manual download site and moremonkey.com • View topic - Service Bulletins

RoadDad · 07-03-2009, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmiesse

As for this

Mine doesn't smell like gas at all.

txdude · 07-03-2009, 07:25 PM

Pending tomorrow's weather, I'll take it back to AutoZone for the actual code. Thanks again everyone!

cokey · 07-03-2009, 08:47 PM

i haven't looked for this but is there a way to find the code with out a scaner? like in my car, turning the key to ON position 3 times quickly, it will display most codes..

RoadDad · 07-03-2009, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cokey

i haven't looked for this but is there a way to find the code with out a scaner? like in my car, turning the key to ON position 3 times quickly, it will display most codes..

No.

Demonized · 07-03-2009, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RoadDad

No.

The digitally displayed letters would weigh too much.

txdude · 07-03-2009, 10:20 PM

P0455-Evaporative Emission Control System Leak Detected.

I double-checked the gas cap & reset the CEL. Hopefully it doesn't return but we'll see.

txdude · 07-05-2009, 10:50 PM

Well, 2 days later & CEL hasn't returned

I figure it's 1 of 2 things... 1) Someone in the parking lot F'ed with my gas tank & didn't close it all the way, or 2) CEL will show up anytime now.

Assuming it wasn't the gas cap, anyone know how long I can expect the CEL to return? Or am I in the clear since I've driven it many times over the weekend without the CEL coming on?

Thanks for all y'alls help!!

07-02-2009, 07:52 PM	#1 (permalink)
txdude Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: Ellsworth SD Posts: 136	CE Light after 4 days of ownership So I picked up an '05 Elise from an LT member on Monday then drove about 1400 miles home without any problems. But now the check engine light comes on shortly after leaving the grocery store today... I drove Lola (her name ) home with no problems & have an appointment next week at our base auto shop to connect it to the computer. Other than driving in the rain today, my driving habits didn't differ from when I picked it up. I know rain shouldn't be able to get into the engine itself, but is there a flaw in the design of the "lid" that allows water to seep into the motor area? Should I be worried? Thanks in advance for y'alls assistance! *Note: I know it shouldn't matter as this appears to be common, but I have experienced that "gas" smell inside the cabin when driving, usually only when putting the windows down briefly.

07-02-2009, 07:55 PM	#2 (permalink)
RacyTracy V Not my picture V Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Palatine, IL Posts: 9,082	Check this for your leaky trunk- Trunk hatch drain kits for sale. And I assume the obvious, you've checked your gas cap? __________________ Tracy 1996 Porsche 993TT 2008 Toyota FJ Cruiser LOG 29 photos

07-03-2009, 05:16 AM	#4 (permalink)
TheViper Alarmed & Dangerous Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Boca Raton FL Posts: 3,190	Another water related issue is the blower motor for the interior fan. Affixed to the underside of the motor is a resistor pack that can sit it water that flows though the top hood vents. If this resistor pack fails, the blower fan will not operated and it is "very" expensive to repair, entailing removal of the front clam. Lotus had a TSB for this and it involved drilling 4 drain holes in the chassis member in precise locations. Cheers, Michael __________________ Cobra OEM - Alarm, Immobilizer, CDL Emergency Override with warranty Additional Emergency Touch Keys - see link above Brand New Cobra Alarm Remote with warranty Cobra Remote Key Fob Strap Cobra Window Closing Module - Add to your existing Cobra alarm 3 Piece Front Clam Protection Kit with Center Bumper Undertray Removal Tool INFORMATION Improved AC & Heating System Battery Choices & Information Remote Key Fob, Alarm & Immobilizer Programming Light Bulb Conversions 2005

07-03-2009, 11:15 AM	#7 (permalink)
Chris Mackey Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 2,587	Buy or borrow an OBDII reader. Then the computer can tell you why the CEL is lit. __________________ 2006 Elise, Ardent Red, Black Pack, LSS wheels, shocks and springs. ChuforiaGraffix.com SDD Lives On! SweetDaddyDelicious(at)hotmail(dot)com

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07-03-2009, 10:28 AM	#6 (permalink)
txdude Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: Ellsworth SD Posts: 136	Wow, thanks for all the quick replies. I can see I'm going to enjoy being a member of LT. Every single response was helpful. No problem with the gas cap & I'll cross my fingers about the resistor pack issue. Since the CE light isn't blinking I'll take Krug's suggestion & head to AutoZone in a bit. Thanks RacyTracy for the link, I'll start this project soon.

07-03-2009, 12:10 PM	#9 (permalink)
txdude Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: Ellsworth SD Posts: 136	"Major Exhaust Leak" According to AutoZone, the OBDII reader determined the problem to be a "Major Exhaust Leak". After visiting with my local Toyota dealership, their auto tech told me it could be three things: 1) Gas Cap--checked, 2) Fuel line from gas cap to tank, or 3) charcoal canister I'm a novice when it comes to repairs. My experience goes as far as changing the head gasket & thermostat in my old Jeep. But I am looking forward to learning more so I'll start searching LT for directions to fix the problem after the holiday weekend. I have access to a lift on base so at least I won't have to pay a shop Question: Can I safely drive her in the meantime, or is it best to simply park it? Note, it drove fine to AutoZone & back but I suppose this explains the "gas-like" smell whenever I crack the windows with the top on.

07-03-2009, 07:25 PM	#14 (permalink)
txdude Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: Ellsworth SD Posts: 136	Pending tomorrow's weather, I'll take it back to AutoZone for the actual code. Thanks again everyone!

07-03-2009, 08:47 PM	#15 (permalink)
cokey i'm fast Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: brooklyn ny Posts: 316	i haven't looked for this but is there a way to find the code with out a scaner? like in my car, turning the key to ON position 3 times quickly, it will display most codes.. __________________ BMW steel grey 04' neon srt4 ???hp ???ft lbs pulled the motor myself n rebuilt it.. got my baby back and its running strong. here for the love of the Elise, Exige and gaining the knowledge before I can get my own... my car.. http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f152...ny-pics-62883/

07-03-2009, 10:20 PM	#18 (permalink)
txdude Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: Ellsworth SD Posts: 136	P0455 P0455-Evaporative Emission Control System Leak Detected. I double-checked the gas cap & reset the CEL. Hopefully it doesn't return but we'll see.

07-05-2009, 10:50 PM	#19 (permalink)
txdude Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: Ellsworth SD Posts: 136	So far so good... Well, 2 days later & CEL hasn't returned I figure it's 1 of 2 things... 1) Someone in the parking lot F'ed with my gas tank & didn't close it all the way, or 2) CEL will show up anytime now. Assuming it wasn't the gas cap, anyone know how long I can expect the CEL to return? Or am I in the clear since I've driven it many times over the weekend without the CEL coming on? Thanks for all y'alls help!!

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