Check your toe link! - LotusTalk

WildCJ5 · 07-08-2007, 12:45 PM

Please be sure to check yours. Had a track day on Thursday, today I changed oil and checked the links. Both were lose. Be sure to check or they could ruin your day.

-Rob

shay2nak · 07-09-2007, 08:29 PM

Did my oil change at dealer, one was a bit loose.

viacondotti · 07-09-2007, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by WildCJ5

Please be sure to check yours. Had a track day on Thursday, today I changed oil and checked the links. Both were lose. Be sure to check or they could ruin your day.

-Rob

I know that we're supposed to check our toe links, and I've searched this forum for a good picture of toe link and not found one. As a beginner I'd hate to be fruitlessly checking the wrong thing. Does any of the undercarriage need to be removed to check the toe links? Does anyone have a good picture of the operation?

tvacc · 07-09-2007, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by viacondotti

I know that we're supposed to check our toe links, and I've searched this forum for a good picture of toe link and not found one. As a beginner I'd hate to be fruitlessly checking the wrong thing. Does any of the undercarriage need to be removed to check the toe links? Does anyone have a good picture of the operation?

same....

antinym · 07-09-2007, 09:14 PM

yes, the underengine tray needs to be removed. You may be able to get to it by removing the wheel, but I haven't veified that.

milehitom · 07-09-2007, 09:16 PM

http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/show...t=23291&page=6

Check post #102.

Tom

MattG · 07-10-2007, 07:56 AM

Image from the factory manual, marked up by former ET user Stan:

TimMullen · 07-10-2007, 08:11 AM

This post: http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/show...6&postcount=14

Which has this diagram:

TimMullen · 07-10-2007, 08:27 AM

Note that on the diagram in post # 8, it indicates that the toe-link ball joint stud should be torqued to 37 ft-lb (50 NM).

That torque value has been revised by Lotus - the new corrected torque is 44 ft-lb (60 NM).

Ian · 07-10-2007, 08:34 AM

I thought I read somewhere that if it is loose, the damage has already been done and it should be replaced. Is this not correct?

xtn · 07-10-2007, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Ian

I thought I read somewhere that if it is loose, the damage has already been done and it should be replaced. Is this not correct?

An accurate version of that claim would be, "If it is loose, damage MAY have already been done depending on how loose it is and what forces it has been subjected to, and it would be a very reasonable idea to replace it."

xtn

Surferjer · 07-10-2007, 08:47 AM

I will continue to check mine, but on neither my current Elise nor my first one did they ever work loose. Not saying you shouldn't check them, you should because the results of them being loose could be deadly. All I'm saying is you shouldn't necessarily expect them to be loose.

Randy Chase · 07-10-2007, 08:51 AM

Agreed. Mine have been good for over a year now.

RegGuy · 07-10-2007, 09:07 AM

Is this considered a "standard" maintenance check when the oil is changed or is it more frequently needed?

xtn · 07-10-2007, 09:09 AM

I do it every oil change. Of course this information is worth exactly what you paid me for it.

xtn

Randy Chase · 07-10-2007, 09:09 AM

I think it depends if you track your car. Really, one should check a number of critical fasteners before each track day. Perhaps after also. Otherwise it is a periodic thing. For street use... who knows? Maybe once a year or 5000 miles?

ritcci · 07-10-2007, 09:20 AM

Would anyone happen to have a nice pretty annotated image with all the torque areas and their values?

MattG · 07-10-2007, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by RegGuy

Is this considered a "standard" maintenance check when the oil is changed or is it more frequently needed?

No one knows for sure, though I think there has been at least one failure of a car that had the joints checked at regular service intervals (the blue Elise at Buttonwillow last year). I'd recommend checking it more frequently when the car is new and before/after track days. Over time, if you're not seeing any changes in it I'd scale that back to just checking it at every oil change.

MattG · 07-10-2007, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ritcci

Would anyone happen to have a nice pretty annotated image with all the torque areas and their values?

From the manual, section DH (rear suspension):

MattG · 07-10-2007, 09:32 AM

Front suspension:

07-08-2007, 12:45 PM	#1 (permalink)
WildCJ5 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: 951 the new 909 Posts: 183	Check your toe link! Please be sure to check yours. Had a track day on Thursday, today I changed oil and checked the links. Both were lose. Be sure to check or they could ruin your day. -Rob

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07-10-2007, 08:11 AM	#8 (permalink)
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07-10-2007, 08:27 AM	#9 (permalink)
TimMullen Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Chantilly, VA Posts: 11,363 Images: 19	Note that on the diagram in post # 8, it indicates that the toe-link ball joint stud should be torqued to 37 ft-lb (50 NM). That torque value has been revised by Lotus - the new corrected torque is 44 ft-lb (60 NM). __________________ Tim Mullen --- There is no such thing as Touring suspension or Touring wheels. I love being married. It's so great to find that one person that you want to annoy for the rest of your life. - Rita Rudner Chantilly, VA http://members.cox.net/elans4/ 05 Lotus Elise - Chrome Orange - No Touring - No LSS - No Hardtop - Lotus Driving Lights - Lotus "Chin Guards" - plain and simple. 94 Miata R Package - Black 72 Lotus Elan Sprint - Colorado Orange/Cirrus White

07-09-2007, 09:14 PM	#5 (permalink)
antinym The Doombringer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 648	yes, the underengine tray needs to be removed. You may be able to get to it by removing the wheel, but I haven't veified that.

07-09-2007, 09:16 PM	#6 (permalink)
milehitom Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 3,142	http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/show...t=23291&page=6 Check post #102. Tom

07-10-2007, 08:34 AM	#10 (permalink)
Ian Certified Fun Stopper Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: San Antonio TX/Daytona Beach FL Posts: 4,050	I thought I read somewhere that if it is loose, the damage has already been done and it should be replaced. Is this not correct? __________________ '06 Exige; Polar Blue; Track/Touring/Stage II/LSD-TC '05 Elise; Arctic Silver/Ruby Red (R.I.P)

07-10-2007, 08:47 AM	#12 (permalink)
Surferjer No more cone damage! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Exton, PA Posts: 8,877	I will continue to check mine, but on neither my current Elise nor my first one did they ever work loose. Not saying you shouldn't check them, you should because the results of them being loose could be deadly. All I'm saying is you shouldn't necessarily expect them to be loose. __________________ Jer-2005 Elise (retired from autox) 1993 MR2 autox car 2002 Ford Excursion DIESEL 4 X 4 1993 Miata (throwout bearing or clutch failure) 1987 Toyota Corolla FX16 Lemons car (needs new head) 1984 Chevy Citation Lemons car (needs a motor)

07-10-2007, 08:51 AM	#13 (permalink)
Randy Chase Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: San Diego and where ever the roads lead Posts: 28,172 Images: 761	Agreed. Mine have been good for over a year now. __________________ [b]* V E R I T A S * A E Q U I T A S [/b] We have been feeling the buzz since 2002 2006 Noble M400. Getrag tranny, Quaiffe LSD, Hinged clams. Duratec dual turbo V6. Hoosier 315-18 tires. 2350 pounds. Over 500hp. Track weapon. 2009 Rossion Q1. [color=orange]Monaco Orange. [/color]Wing. Black leather/Alcantara with orange stitching. The street car. In build: 2009 Toniq R (300whp? 1100 pounds?). [color=orange]Chrome Orange. [/color] Lexus GX-470 tow vehicle. [color=blue]“Busy at times off the forum and scary* actually off the Internets. So I may not see your pm or emails for a while"[/color]

07-10-2007, 09:07 AM	#14 (permalink)
RegGuy Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,958	Is this considered a "standard" maintenance check when the oil is changed or is it more frequently needed?

07-10-2007, 09:09 AM	#15 (permalink)
xtn McLareghini Bugatterrari Join Date: May 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 6,841	I do it every oil change. Of course this information is worth exactly what you paid me for it. xtn __________________ 2006 McLareghini Bugatterrari, Storm Titanium... <mods> installed: air horn, Scroth 4-point ASM harnesses, Sector111 halon extinguisher and mounting bracket, Von Hep exhaust and rear panel delete, Pagid brake pads, red Volks CE28n wheels, Toyo RA-1 tires, Nitron SA coilovers, Sector111 (WorksBell) quick-disconnect steering wheel kit. awaiting installation: Scroth "pull-up" lap belts, Sector111 RTD Brace, Tony's heater bypass mod, and dropped steering rack mounting plates. </mods>

07-10-2007, 09:09 AM	#16 (permalink)
Randy Chase Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: San Diego and where ever the roads lead Posts: 28,172 Images: 761	I think it depends if you track your car. Really, one should check a number of critical fasteners before each track day. Perhaps after also. Otherwise it is a periodic thing. For street use... who knows? Maybe once a year or 5000 miles? __________________ [b]* V E R I T A S * A E Q U I T A S [/b] We have been feeling the buzz since 2002 2006 Noble M400. Getrag tranny, Quaiffe LSD, Hinged clams. Duratec dual turbo V6. Hoosier 315-18 tires. 2350 pounds. Over 500hp. Track weapon. 2009 Rossion Q1. [color=orange]Monaco Orange. [/color]Wing. Black leather/Alcantara with orange stitching. The street car. In build: 2009 Toniq R (300whp? 1100 pounds?). [color=orange]Chrome Orange. [/color] Lexus GX-470 tow vehicle. [color=blue]“Busy at times off the forum and scary* actually off the Internets. So I may not see your pm or emails for a while"[/color]

07-10-2007, 09:20 AM	#17 (permalink)
ritcci Registered Uzi Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 557	Would anyone happen to have a nice pretty annotated image with all the torque areas and their values? __________________ 05 Lotus Elise KG 76 Lancia Beta Scorpion yay!

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