Heel-toe/pedal height fix question - LotusTalk

Icedog_16 · 09-07-2006, 12:10 PM

I just took my car in to have this (because I couldn't fit down there) and some other things done and, while it says that they did not do the fix, now I have to push both the brake and the gas down 1 1/2 - 2" before I get any appreciable action from either. This does not feel reassuring or safe. Is this what was supposed to be accomplished? It seems counterintuitive as I would have thought that it was to have raised the engagement point of the brake pedal, not lower it. I thought the brakes felt mushy before, but now they feel nearly absent.

Icedog_16 · 09-07-2006, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Stan

Brake Pedal gets shifted upwards, and the action and firmness increases. It sounds to me like your adjustment was made in the wrong direction. They should be able to fix that while you wait, or it's easy to DIY.

That's what I thought and that's why I asked them to do it in the first place. Supposedly, nothing was done. I am bringing it back to them in the AM. Hopefully, it will be a quick fix that I can wait for, like you said. Can't DIY - I don't fit!

Icedog_16 · 09-07-2006, 01:08 PM

6' 3" and 220 - you get the picture. Most people marvel at me just getting in and out of it.

Blonde1 · 09-07-2006, 03:06 PM

Dimmitt?

Just wondering...

nvrblu · 09-07-2006, 03:50 PM

I'm 6'2" and I managed getting down there by laying across the door sill and squeezing my head between the shifter and accessory tray... very uncomfortable.

I seems like it should be easy if you put the car on a lift so you can work from the outside standing up.

mark.r · 09-07-2006, 04:39 PM

Has anyone manage to find a way to raise the pedal in an '06 DBW yet?

jlb1001 · 09-07-2006, 05:34 PM

Try the Sector111 HNT pad. My '05 has it, and heel and toe couldn't be better.

CLICKIE

Scott in Houston · 09-07-2006, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jlb1001

Try the Sector111 HNT pad. My '05 has it, and heel and toe couldn't be better.

CLICKIE

Is yours and '05? Also, do you do any other adjustment or do you just have the pad?

I am considering this mod for sure.

mark.r · 09-07-2006, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jlb1001

Try the Sector111 HNT pad. My '05 has it, and heel and toe couldn't be better.

CLICKIE

Will that address the '06 issue? This question has been asked before specifically about the '06's and no one had any idea at the time. The problem with the '06 is that the brake pedal is very high in relation to the gas pedal. This apparently was done to improve heel/toe when in reality it made it worse. I can drive better with running shoes on with a thick chunky sole as opposed to a pair of pumas or adidas that have thin soles. The gas pedal is so much lower that it is hard to get too. So raising the height of the brake pedal is a no go.

fstshrk · 09-07-2006, 09:40 PM

Mark

I have an 06 and have zero issues with the pedals and heel-and-toe.

Do you use the side of your right foot to blip the throttle like one would in a normal race car, or do you actually do the heel-and-toe literally?

I put the ball of my foot on the brake pedal and use the outside of my foot to blip.

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Originally Posted by mark.r

Will that address the '06 issue? This question has been asked before specifically about the '06's and no one had any idea at the time. The problem with the '06 is that the brake pedal is very high in relation to the gas pedal. This apparently was done to improve heel/toe when in reality it made it worse. I can drive better with running shoes on with a thick chunky sole as opposed to a pair of pumas or adidas that have thin soles. The gas pedal is so much lower that it is hard to get too. So raising the height of the brake pedal is a no go.

andykeck · 09-07-2006, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Stan

Do the pedal adjustments first...they also improve action and firmness of the brake pedal in addition to raising the height. Whereas using a thicker pedal pad only changes the height.

Yes. Double yes.

Icedog_16 · 09-08-2006, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Blonde1

Dimmitt?

Just wondering...

Yep. BTW, figured out once I got to drive it more that the real problem was the gas pedal. It was WAY high and had about 2" of free play before any change from idle. It gave the impression that both pedals were very mushy and the brake was bad enough before. How that happened is beyond me (and the tech for that matter). Had it fixed this AM.

I am having the heel-toe adjustment done at the same time as the tranny is being replaced. They didn't do it now because "it takes about 2 hours". Whatever. I don't really care anyways, just as long as it gets done. Based on Stan's statement and Andy's enthusiastic endorsement, I can't wait!

Donbecker · 09-08-2006, 10:21 AM

I don't see how a pedal adjustment could be anything BUT personal.

You can have someone else adjust it, but I would think you would need to actually try it a couple of times during the process to get it right.

No two people do heel-toe the exact same way.

ZJChaser · 09-08-2006, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mark.r

Will that address the '06 issue? This question has been asked before specifically about the '06's and no one had any idea at the time. The problem with the '06 is that the brake pedal is very high in relation to the gas pedal. This apparently was done to improve heel/toe when in reality it made it worse. I can drive better with running shoes on with a thick chunky sole as opposed to a pair of pumas or adidas that have thin soles. The gas pedal is so much lower that it is hard to get too. So raising the height of the brake pedal is a no go.

My dad said the same thing when he was sitting in the garage trying to heel toe. Then I pointed out that the brake pedal is high intentionally. It is generally accepted that heel-toe downshifting is used when you are hard on the brakes, therefor when you step on the brakes with some effort it puts the pedals in the PERFECT position to just blip that gas pedal. If they were closer then your brake pedal would be too deep in its travel and go behind the gas making it tougher to accomplish. When driving lightly it does make it seem like they are off, but when pushing it and getting o nthe brakes harder its perfect, at least to me.

slaughtr · 09-08-2006, 11:19 AM

I know I'm in the minority here, but I find my '05 Elise very easy to heel and toe without any modifications. Ball of foot on the brake, outside of heel on the throttle with just a slight turn of the ankle. I'm not trying to say "hey look at me, I'm so great" I'm just saying BMWs and Porsches were designed specifically to blip the throttle with the side of your foot. These pedals were not designed for that. Before crawling into the footwell (ok, I'm 200 lbs, maybe that's why I don't want to go down there), try a different method and see how it works.

Icedog_16 · 09-08-2006, 11:44 AM

I don't really have much of a problem heel-toeing the Elise either. My main intent is to firm up the pedal as Stan has mentioned. Seems as though any car I've been in since I got my car (including the Cadillac CTS I just had as a loaner) has had a firmer pedal that felt more reassuring.

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Icedog_16 I drank what?!? Join Date: May 2005 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 4,220	Heel-toe/pedal height fix question I just took my car in to have this (because I couldn't fit down there) and some other things done and, while it says that they did not do the fix, now I have to push both the brake and the gas down 1 1/2 - 2" before I get any appreciable action from either. This does not feel reassuring or safe. Is this what was supposed to be accomplished? It seems counterintuitive as I would have thought that it was to have raised the engagement point of the brake pedal, not lower it. I thought the brakes felt mushy before, but now they feel nearly absent.

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jlb1001 Registered Snoozer Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Oregon Posts: 338	Try the Sector111 HNT pad. My '05 has it, and heel and toe couldn't be better. CLICKIE __________________ -Joe

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slaughtr Big head man Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Boise, Idaho Posts: 5,955 Images: 3	I know I'm in the minority here, but I find my '05 Elise very easy to heel and toe without any modifications. Ball of foot on the brake, outside of heel on the throttle with just a slight turn of the ankle. I'm not trying to say "hey look at me, I'm so great" I'm just saying BMWs and Porsches were designed specifically to blip the throttle with the side of your foot. These pedals were not designed for that. Before crawling into the footwell (ok, I'm 200 lbs, maybe that's why I don't want to go down there), try a different method and see how it works. __________________ My car both sucks and blows. Now with added all natural smoky goodness! Last edited by slaughtr : 09-08-2006 at 11:25 AM.

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09-07-2006, 01:08 PM	#3 (permalink)
Icedog_16 I drank what?!? Join Date: May 2005 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 4,220	6' 3" and 220 - you get the picture. Most people marvel at me just getting in and out of it.

09-07-2006, 03:06 PM	#4 (permalink)
Blonde1 Lust for Life Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Tampa Posts: 682	Dimmitt? Just wondering...

09-07-2006, 03:50 PM	#5 (permalink)
nvrblu ... _ . ..._ . Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 3,389	I'm 6'2" and I managed getting down there by laying across the door sill and squeezing my head between the shifter and accessory tray... very uncomfortable. I seems like it should be easy if you put the car on a lift so you can work from the outside standing up.

09-08-2006, 10:21 AM	#13 (permalink)
Donbecker Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Phoenix, Arizona Posts: 1,064	I don't see how a pedal adjustment could be anything BUT personal. You can have someone else adjust it, but I would think you would need to actually try it a couple of times during the process to get it right. No two people do heel-toe the exact same way.

09-08-2006, 11:44 AM	#16 (permalink)
Icedog_16 I drank what?!? Join Date: May 2005 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 4,220	I don't really have much of a problem heel-toeing the Elise either. My main intent is to firm up the pedal as Stan has mentioned. Seems as though any car I've been in since I got my car (including the Cadillac CTS I just had as a loaner) has had a firmer pedal that felt more reassuring.

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