Looks like the dealer's jack slipped! - LotusTalk

fastliz · 04-17-2005, 05:18 PM

Just noticed this weekend... (car is 2 weeks old)... In the floorboard just to the left of the driver's seat, there is a crease that bends upwards (towards the inside of the cockpit). So, I took a look underneath the car, and sure enough, just inboard of the marked jacking point, there is a mark and dent. I would speculate this happened at the dealer during prep before delivery. It's fairly minor, and I doubt there's anything that can be done. But, I have to admit it bugs me a bit.

Comments? Consolations?

Mike

Lotus Fury · 04-17-2005, 05:23 PM

That does suck. Did you talk to the dealer yet?

fastliz · 04-17-2005, 05:26 PM

Not yet. But, it will be added to the "list" of things (most of which they probably can't do anything about).

Mike

Lotus Fury · 04-17-2005, 05:32 PM

Yeah, small production British car & a careless dealer, that's going to be one long list...

fastliz · 04-17-2005, 05:42 PM

Here are pics of the damage:

First one is inside the car looking down. The 2nd photo is the same view, close up. 3rd and 4th photos show it from underneath the car.

It actually looks like they used a lift / jack in the wrong position and without any kind of pad. The marks look like an imprint from a metal pad.

It sucks, but I'm assuming there's nothing that can be done about it, right?

Randy Chase · 04-17-2005, 05:57 PM

I do not know what can be done... but I would demand it be made right. Argh.

ervsch · 04-17-2005, 06:03 PM

That really sucks - I've worried about the same thing jacking (the car) myself.

But would right be anything less than a new chassis - or at least a new section if that's possible?

fastliz · 04-17-2005, 06:05 PM

I can't imagine how they'd fix it without replacing the chassis or a section of it. And, would it be worth the trouble? I suspect it's more of a cosmetic problem than a structural one.

It would be one thing if I had done it. It's quite another when THEY did it. If my car's gonna get scratched up, it should be by ME!

Mike

Goose · 04-17-2005, 06:30 PM

Mike, I feel for you as well.

This kind of crap should not be happening. C'mon... this is a $50,000 exotic car! I'm sure the dealer did it while prepping the car.

I'd tell both Lotus USA and Lotus PLC about this. It would be interesting to see what might happen.

pinmagic · 04-17-2005, 06:30 PM

Be careful with stuff like this. Unless it's structural, you'll find that the repair will just create more problems. I've often been in this type of situation, and, in the end, I've often regretted pursuing it. Usually, things just go from bad to worse, when people who don't know what they're doing (and probably don't give a dman) try to "make it right".

fastliz · 04-17-2005, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by pinmagic

Be careful with stuff like this. Unless it's structural, you'll find that the repair will just create more problems. I've often been in this type of situation, and, in the end, I've often regretted pursuing it. Usually, things just go from bad to worse, when people who don't know what they're doing (and probably don't give a dman) try to "make it right".

Which is exactly why I won't let them fix the overspray / white-pox crap that's ALL over my car. I'll take my time claying it then waxing it. If I let them do it, they'll get some monkey with an orbital buffer and burnish the crap out of the paint. No thanks.

Mike

JediMindGamez · 04-17-2005, 06:43 PM

what dealer was that?

fastliz · 04-17-2005, 06:45 PM

Palm Beach Motorcars in West Palm Beach, FL.

Mike

raggedy1 · 04-17-2005, 07:25 PM

OUCH!
that sucks BIG time!

It's pretty obvious they used the hydraulic lift and had the arm extended too far - and without a rubber pad! You would think the guys in the shop would know to PUT THE PAD RIGHT THERE ON THE BIG BLUE STICKER THAT HAS A PICTURE OF A JACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Im not trying to fuel a fire here, but I would be PISSED! A brand new 50K car and they go and FU_K it up before you even take delivery.

sheesh, ok, I got it off my chest...

I feel for ya. I doubt they could do anything about it and I'm sure it's only cosmetic.

ConeFusion · 04-17-2005, 08:24 PM

It looks fairly minor, but I would probably react the same way: I don't need to bring the car to the dealer to get it messed up! I'm perfectly capable of doing that myself, I don't need to pay a professional for it.

I would mention it to the dealer in a friendly and cooperative way. There might not be much they can do about it. But who knows, maybe they'll offer some form of compensation for the damage (parts, service).

fastliz · 04-17-2005, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ConeFusion

It looks fairly minor, but I would probably react the same way: I don't need to bring the car to the dealer to get it messed up! I'm perfectly capable of doing that myself, I don't need to pay a professional for it.

I would mention it to the dealer in a friendly and cooperative way. There might not be much they can do about it. But who knows, maybe they'll offer some form of compensation for the damage (parts, service).

I agree. I like the folks down at PBMC, actually. So, I won't be confrontational about it. But, certainly they should know about it, if only to avoid problems in the future.

A ForcedFed turbo kit would be adequate compensation, I think!

Mike

iRod · 04-17-2005, 09:10 PM

I agree, some kind of compensation would be cool. I know I'd do it if it were my customer. Other than that, don't sweat it, it's not a big deal and you'll probably forget all about it after a while, with all the smiles driving this car brings.

hpman · 04-18-2005, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by fastwrx

Which is exactly why I won't let them fix the overspray / white-pox crap that's ALL over my car. I'll take my time claying it then waxing it. If I let them do it, they'll get some monkey with an orbital buffer and burnish the crap out of the paint. No thanks.

Mike

Yeah, whats with the white spots, they just seem to be sprouting up. What are they & where do they come from.

shay2nak · 04-18-2005, 09:45 AM

I can't believe your dealer didn't tell you about it if it was delivered to you in that condition. That is bullsh*t. Good luck with fixing it!

fastliz · 04-18-2005, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by shay2nak

I can't believe your dealer didn't tell you about it if it was delivered to you in that condition. That is bullsh*t. Good luck with fixing it!

I'm betting the dealer didn't know about it. It happened in the service bay and it "stayed in the service bay." It's not something you would easily notice... Just freaks like me (us) would catch this.

Mike

04-17-2005, 05:18 PM	#1 (permalink)
fastliz formerly known as fastwrx Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 1,495	Looks like the dealer's jack slipped! Just noticed this weekend... (car is 2 weeks old)... In the floorboard just to the left of the driver's seat, there is a crease that bends upwards (towards the inside of the cockpit). So, I took a look underneath the car, and sure enough, just inboard of the marked jacking point, there is a mark and dent. I would speculate this happened at the dealer during prep before delivery. It's fairly minor, and I doubt there's anything that can be done. But, I have to admit it bugs me a bit. Comments? Consolations? Mike __________________ The "car-tist" formerly known as Fastwrx! 2004 Subaru WRX STi 2005 Lotus Elise CO, LSS, Hardtop, Starshield - Got it!!

04-17-2005, 05:26 PM	#3 (permalink)
fastliz formerly known as fastwrx Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 1,495	Not yet. But, it will be added to the "list" of things (most of which they probably can't do anything about). Mike __________________ The "car-tist" formerly known as Fastwrx! 2004 Subaru WRX STi 2005 Lotus Elise CO, LSS, Hardtop, Starshield - Got it!!

04-17-2005, 05:42 PM	#5 (permalink)
fastliz formerly known as fastwrx Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 1,495	Here are pics of the damage: First one is inside the car looking down. The 2nd photo is the same view, close up. 3rd and 4th photos show it from underneath the car. It actually looks like they used a lift / jack in the wrong position and without any kind of pad. The marks look like an imprint from a metal pad. It sucks, but I'm assuming there's nothing that can be done about it, right? Attached Images __________________ The "car-tist" formerly known as Fastwrx! 2004 Subaru WRX STi 2005 Lotus Elise CO, LSS, Hardtop, Starshield - Got it!! Last edited by fastliz : 04-17-2005 at 05:45 PM.

04-17-2005, 05:57 PM	#6 (permalink)
Randy Chase Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: San Diego and where ever the roads lead Posts: 28,175 Images: 761	I do not know what can be done... but I would demand it be made right. Argh. __________________ * V E R I T A S * A E Q U I T A S * No Longer the ADMIN here, please do not PM me asking for help. Thanks! 2006 Noble M400. Getrag tranny, Quaiffe LSD, Hinged clams. Duratec dual turbo V6. Hoosier 315-18 tires. 2350 pounds. Over 500hp. Track weapon. 2009 Rossion Q1. Monaco Orange. Wing. Black leather/Alcantara with orange stitching. The street car. In build: 2009 Toniq R (300whp? 1100 pounds?). Chrome Orange. Lexus GX-470 tow vehicle.

04-17-2005, 06:03 PM	#7 (permalink)
ervsch Late apex, don't lift! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Chicago-area Posts: 857 Images: 8	That really sucks - I've worried about the same thing jacking (the car) myself. But would right be anything less than a new chassis - or at least a new section if that's possible? __________________ Erv Schweiger '05 Ardent Red, Touring Package, Starshield, Schroth Harnesses, 4Tress Harness Bar, Boomerang Rear Tow Hook, Porterfield R4 Brake Pads, More Mods to come...

04-17-2005, 05:23 PM	#2 (permalink)
Lotus Fury Blame Canada, eh? Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Pgh, Pa Posts: 2,261	That does suck. Did you talk to the dealer yet?

04-17-2005, 05:32 PM	#4 (permalink)
Lotus Fury Blame Canada, eh? Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Pgh, Pa Posts: 2,261	Yeah, small production British car & a careless dealer, that's going to be one long list...

04-17-2005, 06:05 PM	#8 (permalink)
fastliz formerly known as fastwrx Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 1,495	I can't imagine how they'd fix it without replacing the chassis or a section of it. And, would it be worth the trouble? I suspect it's more of a cosmetic problem than a structural one. It would be one thing if I had done it. It's quite another when THEY did it. If my car's gonna get scratched up, it should be by ME! Mike __________________ The "car-tist" formerly known as Fastwrx! 2004 Subaru WRX STi 2005 Lotus Elise CO, LSS, Hardtop, Starshield - Got it!! Last edited by fastliz : 04-17-2005 at 06:51 PM.

04-17-2005, 06:30 PM	#9 (permalink)
Goose Bucket of Cold Water Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: The cornfields of Ohio Posts: 1,078	Mike, I feel for you as well. This kind of crap should not be happening. C'mon... this is a $50,000 exotic car! I'm sure the dealer did it while prepping the car. I'd tell both Lotus USA and Lotus PLC about this. It would be interesting to see what might happen. __________________ Kevin Magnetic Blue/Hardtop/Starshield - sold 5/17/05

04-17-2005, 06:30 PM	#10 (permalink)
pinmagic The Only Sane One Here Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Arlington, VA, USA Posts: 1,119	Be careful with stuff like this. Unless it's structural, you'll find that the repair will just create more problems. I've often been in this type of situation, and, in the end, I've often regretted pursuing it. Usually, things just go from bad to worse, when people who don't know what they're doing (and probably don't give a dman) try to "make it right". __________________ My other car is an MR2 Spyder. My other other car is a Segway.

04-17-2005, 06:43 PM	#12 (permalink)
JediMindGamez Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Davis, Ca Posts: 1,028	what dealer was that? __________________ You can't rationalize cars like these, they're not something you buy with your head, you buy them with your heart because you love them and who can explain love. All I know is I love my lil elise more then I like any other car...

04-17-2005, 06:45 PM	#13 (permalink)
fastliz formerly known as fastwrx Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 1,495	Palm Beach Motorcars in West Palm Beach, FL. Mike __________________ The "car-tist" formerly known as Fastwrx! 2004 Subaru WRX STi 2005 Lotus Elise CO, LSS, Hardtop, Starshield - Got it!!

04-17-2005, 07:25 PM	#14 (permalink)
raggedy1 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: belmont Posts: 3,822	OUCH! that sucks BIG time! It's pretty obvious they used the hydraulic lift and had the arm extended too far - and without a rubber pad! You would think the guys in the shop would know to PUT THE PAD RIGHT THERE ON THE BIG BLUE STICKER THAT HAS A PICTURE OF A JACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Im not trying to fuel a fire here, but I would be PISSED! A brand new 50K car and they go and FU_K it up before you even take delivery. sheesh, ok, I got it off my chest... I feel for ya. I doubt they could do anything about it and I'm sure it's only cosmetic. __________________ It's Delux son, Delux. It's not that hard. http://itsdeluxson.com/

04-17-2005, 08:24 PM	#15 (permalink)
ConeFusion Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 1,579	It looks fairly minor, but I would probably react the same way: I don't need to bring the car to the dealer to get it messed up! I'm perfectly capable of doing that myself, I don't need to pay a professional for it. I would mention it to the dealer in a friendly and cooperative way. There might not be much they can do about it. But who knows, maybe they'll offer some form of compensation for the damage (parts, service). __________________ Reto 2005 Lotus Elise (yellow, sport pack), #94 SS 2005 Nissan Xterra (LSV)

04-17-2005, 09:10 PM	#17 (permalink)
iRod Mellow Yellow Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bellevue, WA Posts: 507	I agree, some kind of compensation would be cool. I know I'd do it if it were my customer. Other than that, don't sweat it, it's not a big deal and you'll probably forget all about it after a while, with all the smiles driving this car brings.

04-18-2005, 09:45 AM	#19 (permalink)
shay2nak I <3 chicken, I <3 liver Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Land of da 1000 Oaks, CA Posts: 15,055	I can't believe your dealer didn't tell you about it if it was delivered to you in that condition. That is bullsht. Good luck with fixing it! __________________ * save ~10 lbs gain 1 hp ** EQ: Y=(190X) / (1984-X) where Y is (HP) and X is (lbs) '07 EXIGE S * MY CAR ** VIDEOS! '08 ACURA TSX 6-speed http://www.makeNYNYagain.com

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