Strange change in shifting feel. - LotusTalk

chriso · 02-25-2008, 08:26 AM

I've had an Elise for 3 years now. Within the last week I noticed that sometimes while downshifting from 3rd to 2nd I feel much less resistance than usual going into 2nd gear. Usually I feel some resistance and notchiness before the gear lever finally goes into gear. When the "problem" happens it I don't much resistance at all, and no notchiness, it feels like I missed the gear, but it is in gear.

Any ideas what is going on?

ace10 · 02-25-2008, 08:55 AM

cables?

try searching some combo of

cable* tran* shift*

xtn · 02-25-2008, 09:15 AM

Chris have you just gotten really good at rev-matching before moving the lever into place? The closer you are to the right rpm, the less work the synchronizers have to do.

codymac · 02-25-2008, 09:36 AM

It's gotten better and you're complaining?

slaughtr · 02-25-2008, 09:48 AM

One day at the track last year, I went from the typical knotchiness to a vague feeling, followed by an inability to determine whether the car was in gear or not. Turned out all that driving on a hot track in my turbo car had lead to heat soak and literal melting of the sheath around the transmission cables. Replaced them and placed a lot of heat sheild around them and now it's fine. I don't know if this is your problem or not but it sounds vaguely familiar.

chriso · 02-25-2008, 09:50 AM

Well I am trying to rev match, but I'm not double clutching so I didn't think the rev matching would make it easier to move the lever, just less slipage/jerking when the clutch engages.

I'd take consistent over occaisionally better any day. Just wondering if it is an early indication of a problem since I only have a few days of warentee left.

tmr · 02-25-2008, 05:49 PM

Pull your console and check all the fasteners. I had a similar issue when the car was under warranty. Turns out the dealer in California that did the shifter recall did a sloppy job and some of the shifter fasteners were coming loose. Dealer in Atlanta put it back right.

Chococar · 02-25-2008, 06:08 PM

I had a similar problem with the horizontal bolt in the shifter coming loose. Pull the tunnel and check out the torque on the bolts, the cable ends, etc.

codymac · 02-25-2008, 06:19 PM

Give it to me for a couple of sessions at MSR and I'll get her to grind!

chriso · 03-17-2008, 12:16 PM

Update: Car is fixed. Overseas had to replace a shift cable under warrantee. Shifting feels better than new now.

xtn · 03-17-2008, 12:24 PM

Nice.

Show of hands... how many people picked their car up from Overseas today?

slaughtr · 03-17-2008, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chriso

Update: Car is fixed. Overseas had to replace a shift cable under warrantee. Shifting feels better than new now.

Glad to know I was right, yet again.

ace10 · 03-17-2008, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slaughtr

Glad to know I was right, yet again.

umm. see post #2, you know, three prior to yours...

Quote:

Originally Posted by ace10

cables?
try searching some combo of
cable* tran* shift*

oh, and this make two expert internet mechanic diagnoses for me today.

(the catastrophic oil leak thread is the other)

too bad i can't fix things in real life.

slaughtr · 03-17-2008, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ace10

umm. see post #2, you know, three prior to yours...

oh, and this make two expert internet mechanic diagnoses for me today.

(the catastrophic oil leak thread is the other)

too bad i can't fix things in real life.

I'm sorry ace, I thought you were probably ignoring me.

No, I'm not sure what that means, really, I just had nothing else brighter to say.

02-25-2008, 08:26 AM	#1 (permalink)
chriso Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 75	Strange change in shifting feel. I've had an Elise for 3 years now. Within the last week I noticed that sometimes while downshifting from 3rd to 2nd I feel much less resistance than usual going into 2nd gear. Usually I feel some resistance and notchiness before the gear lever finally goes into gear. When the "problem" happens it I don't much resistance at all, and no notchiness, it feels like I missed the gear, but it is in gear. Any ideas what is going on?

02-25-2008, 08:55 AM	#2 (permalink)
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02-25-2008, 09:15 AM	#3 (permalink)
xtn McLareghini Bugatterrari Join Date: May 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 6,863	Chris have you just gotten really good at rev-matching before moving the lever into place? The closer you are to the right rpm, the less work the synchronizers have to do. __________________ 2006 McLareghini Bugatterrari, Storm Titanium... <mods> installed: air horn, Scroth 4-point ASM harnesses, Sector111 halon extinguisher and mounting bracket, Von Hep exhaust and rear panel delete, Pagid brake pads, red Volks CE28n wheels, Toyo RA-1 tires, Nitron SA coilovers, Sector111 (WorksBell) quick-disconnect steering wheel kit. awaiting installation: Scroth "pull-up" lap belts, Sector111 RTD Brace, Tony's heater bypass mod, and dropped steering rack mounting plates. </mods>

02-25-2008, 09:36 AM	#4 (permalink)
codymac short angry bloke Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: where the east tapers out and the west begins Posts: 9,285 Images: 19	It's gotten better and you're complaining? __________________ torque (tôrk) n. - an excuse for the lack of momentum. - let's bring back CanAm & Group B! - have you hugged your Exige today? I'm currently working on my performance driving merit badge. There's always somebody faster, sometimes it's me.

02-25-2008, 09:48 AM	#5 (permalink)
slaughtr Big head man Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Boise, Idaho Posts: 5,957 Images: 3	One day at the track last year, I went from the typical knotchiness to a vague feeling, followed by an inability to determine whether the car was in gear or not. Turned out all that driving on a hot track in my turbo car had lead to heat soak and literal melting of the sheath around the transmission cables. Replaced them and placed a lot of heat sheild around them and now it's fine. I don't know if this is your problem or not but it sounds vaguely familiar. __________________ My car both sucks and blows. Now with added all natural smoky goodness!

02-25-2008, 09:50 AM	#6 (permalink)
chriso Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 75	Well I am trying to rev match, but I'm not double clutching so I didn't think the rev matching would make it easier to move the lever, just less slipage/jerking when the clutch engages. I'd take consistent over occaisionally better any day. Just wondering if it is an early indication of a problem since I only have a few days of warentee left.

02-25-2008, 05:49 PM	#7 (permalink)
tmr ATL Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 515	Pull your console and check all the fasteners. I had a similar issue when the car was under warranty. Turns out the dealer in California that did the shifter recall did a sloppy job and some of the shifter fasteners were coming loose. Dealer in Atlanta put it back right.

02-25-2008, 06:08 PM	#8 (permalink)
Chococar #334 Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 1,634	I had a similar problem with the horizontal bolt in the shifter coming loose. Pull the tunnel and check out the torque on the bolts, the cable ends, etc.

02-25-2008, 06:19 PM	#9 (permalink)
codymac short angry bloke Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: where the east tapers out and the west begins Posts: 9,285 Images: 19	Give it to me for a couple of sessions at MSR and I'll get her to grind! __________________ torque (tôrk) n. - an excuse for the lack of momentum. - let's bring back CanAm & Group B! - have you hugged your Exige today? I'm currently working on my performance driving merit badge. There's always somebody faster, sometimes it's me.

03-17-2008, 12:16 PM	#10 (permalink)
chriso Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 75	Update: Car is fixed. Overseas had to replace a shift cable under warrantee. Shifting feels better than new now.

03-17-2008, 12:24 PM	#11 (permalink)
xtn McLareghini Bugatterrari Join Date: May 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 6,863	Nice. Show of hands... how many people picked their car up from Overseas today? __________________ 2006 McLareghini Bugatterrari, Storm Titanium... <mods> installed: air horn, Scroth 4-point ASM harnesses, Sector111 halon extinguisher and mounting bracket, Von Hep exhaust and rear panel delete, Pagid brake pads, red Volks CE28n wheels, Toyo RA-1 tires, Nitron SA coilovers, Sector111 (WorksBell) quick-disconnect steering wheel kit. awaiting installation: Scroth "pull-up" lap belts, Sector111 RTD Brace, Tony's heater bypass mod, and dropped steering rack mounting plates. </mods>

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