Article: Turbo Magazine | VTEC Vs VVTL-i | June 01 - LotusTalk

Westrock · 03-31-2007, 11:12 PM

In-depth look of Honda's then current VTEC B-Series (B18C in the GSR) vs the new kid of the block Toyota 2ZZ-GE in the Celica. Good read if you don't know how the dual profile camshaft idea works.

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shay2nak · 04-02-2007, 04:41 PM

nice article! thanks.

EDIT: until I clicked on the pics.

Damn they're small!

Westrock · 04-03-2007, 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shay2nak

nice article! thanks.

EDIT: until I clicked on the pics.

Damn they're small!

Woops, got a little trigger happy on the Copy & Paste

Fixed now.

shay2nak · 04-03-2007, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Westrock

Woops, got a little trigger happy on the Copy & Paste

Fixed now.

thanks!

Defiant00 · 04-04-2007, 11:44 AM

Cool article, I feel educated now

PhlypSide · 04-04-2007, 01:19 PM

Per the article, Toyota > Honda

but they gave the nod to the Honda because of aftermarket support (sorta lame and out of scope since they were comparing stock engines).

If we fast forward to today though...
K20 > 2ZZ > B18

What is Toyota/Yamaha's answer to the K20 though... hrmmm

Dietrich · 04-07-2007, 12:06 AM

the K20 is the best 4 cylinder production engine in the world right now, period. When will toyota (yamaha maybe) answer it?

Westrock · 04-07-2007, 02:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhlypSide

Per the article, Toyota > Honda

but they gave the nod to the Honda because of aftermarket support (sorta lame and out of scope since they were comparing stock engines).

If we fast forward to today though...
K20 > 2ZZ > B18

What is Toyota/Yamaha's answer to the K20 though... hrmmm

The article was also a little one sided as they mentioned using an OBD-I B18C1 instead of a (then) current OBD-II B18C1 because they claim the OBD-II didn't dyno as well. However the real reason was probably that they had an old GSR sitting around and used that

As far as being beating a K-series as far as output and practicality....who knows

GTsRasta · 01-26-2008, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhlypSide

Per the article, Toyota > Honda

but they gave the nod to the Honda because of aftermarket support (sorta lame and out of scope since they were comparing stock engines).

If we fast forward to today though...
K20 > 2ZZ > B18

What is Toyota/Yamaha's answer to the K20 though... hrmmm

Casey @ forcedfed chewed me up in the Lotustalk chatroom when I said something like this there...

Of course B18's have been making 220+ whp NA for years with cams, bolt ons, and a tune thanks to the Honda aftermarket...some of you guys brave enough to not settle with a reflash just gatta invest in those cams + standalone ECUs too with your bolt ons...

Casey@ForcedFed · 01-26-2008, 08:34 PM

I was a little argumentative...sorry

shay2nak · 01-26-2008, 11:05 PM

ha! what a coincidence. I was reading this article today as I was going through my old pics.

iwilson · 03-07-2008, 02:46 AM

I found a neat vid a few years ago showing how VTEC works. Just uploaded it to Youtube.

Westrock · 03-08-2008, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by iwilson

I found a neat vid a few years ago showing how VTEC works. Just uploaded it to Youtube.

Ya, it was an ingenious technology. Although Honda was not the first company to come up with a variable cam profile, what they did was make it simple and reliable as well as bring it to a platform that was accesible to many enthusiasts.

FLuXeXigeS · 03-09-2008, 10:34 PM

answer to K20, a JDM sourced 3SGTE

gameson · 03-09-2008, 11:06 PM

what are the Toyota cars that use 3SGTE?

FLuXeXigeS · 03-10-2008, 02:14 AM

toyota mr2 turbo sw20 w/ vvt-i

RSpyder · 03-10-2008, 03:22 AM

SW20 MR2's, Alltrac Celicas...

Toyota's Answer to K20: BEAMS 3SGE(Red top) (Black Top w/ Dual VVTI) Maybe...

But id agree with Flux, 3SGTE can make alot of A$$ whooping power!!! mr2oc.com guys proved this to me (i was riding shotgun). Even Better: 3rd Gen. 3SGTE ftw!!!

FLuXeXigeS · 03-10-2008, 10:03 AM

BEAMS 3sge is freakin insane, my friend had one that thing is expensive!!!

yes i was talkin about the 3rd gen 3sgte the one with the VVT-i

RSpyder · 03-13-2008, 03:12 AM

BEAMS...one of my dream motors, Flux!!! LOL!!! Yeah it is expensive/hard to get. For my 91 SW20 i can always consider 1MZ V6 with a Supercharger

03-31-2007, 11:12 PM	#1 (permalink)
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04-02-2007, 04:41 PM	#2 (permalink)
shay2nak GGM ENFORCER Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Land of da 1000 Oaks, CA Posts: 12,736	nice article! thanks. EDIT: until I clicked on the pics. Damn they're small! __________________ save ~10 lbs gain 1 hp EQ: Y=(190X) / (1984-X) where Y is (HP) and X is (lbs) '07 GG EXIGE S * MY CAR ** VIDEO CLIPS! '08 ACURA TSX 6-speed http://www.makeNYNYagain.com

04-04-2007, 11:44 AM	#5 (permalink)
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04-07-2007, 12:06 AM	#7 (permalink)
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01-26-2008, 08:34 PM	#10 (permalink)
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04-04-2007, 01:19 PM	#6 (permalink)
PhlypSide My Lotus hates my bike. Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 3,639 Images: 9	Per the article, Toyota > Honda but they gave the nod to the Honda because of aftermarket support (sorta lame and out of scope since they were comparing stock engines). If we fast forward to today though... K20 > 2ZZ > B18 What is Toyota/Yamaha's answer to the K20 though... hrmmm

01-26-2008, 11:05 PM	#11 (permalink)
shay2nak GGM ENFORCER Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Land of da 1000 Oaks, CA Posts: 12,736	ha! what a coincidence. I was reading this article today as I was going through my old pics. __________________ save ~10 lbs gain 1 hp EQ: Y=(190X) / (1984-X) where Y is (HP) and X is (lbs) '07 GG EXIGE S * MY CAR ** VIDEO CLIPS! '08 ACURA TSX 6-speed http://www.makeNYNYagain.com

03-07-2008, 02:46 AM	#12 (permalink)
iwilson Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Pukekohe, New Zealand Posts: 473	I found a neat vid a few years ago showing how VTEC works. Just uploaded it to Youtube.

03-09-2008, 10:34 PM	#14 (permalink)
FLuXeXigeS ...disappearing posts... Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: SoCal/AZ/NV Posts: 4,357	answer to K20, a JDM sourced 3SGTE __________________ -Coi-'07 AR Exige S+Gotham, Von Hep, corner balanced&tuned SACHS, 6k HID, JVC KD-NX5000, Alpine 4ch. amp, JL stealth box, s111 rear towhook and harness bar, Starshield, TG4 1/4 turn fasteners, SS brake lines, bling bling eng bay, painted calipers, TD 1.2 wheels w/ Toyo R888, Safecraft harnesses, DRL delete, s111 CRD mount. add me: www.myspace.com/kandyredcoi & lotuscar.ning.com/profile/KandyRedCoi

03-09-2008, 11:06 PM	#15 (permalink)
gameson Track Addict Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,822	what are the Toyota cars that use 3SGTE?

03-10-2008, 02:14 AM	#16 (permalink)
FLuXeXigeS ...disappearing posts... Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: SoCal/AZ/NV Posts: 4,357	toyota mr2 turbo sw20 w/ vvt-i __________________ -Coi-'07 AR Exige S+Gotham, Von Hep, corner balanced&tuned SACHS, 6k HID, JVC KD-NX5000, Alpine 4ch. amp, JL stealth box, s111 rear towhook and harness bar, Starshield, TG4 1/4 turn fasteners, SS brake lines, bling bling eng bay, painted calipers, TD 1.2 wheels w/ Toyo R888, Safecraft harnesses, DRL delete, s111 CRD mount. add me: www.myspace.com/kandyredcoi & lotuscar.ning.com/profile/KandyRedCoi

03-10-2008, 03:22 AM	#17 (permalink)
RSpyder The cheaper Midship RWD Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: SoCal Posts: 81	SW20 MR2's, Alltrac Celicas... Toyota's Answer to K20: BEAMS 3SGE(Red top) (Black Top w/ Dual VVTI) Maybe... But id agree with Flux, 3SGTE can make alot of A$$ whooping power!!! mr2oc.com guys proved this to me (i was riding shotgun). Even Better: 3rd Gen. 3SGTE ftw!!!

03-10-2008, 10:03 AM	#18 (permalink)
FLuXeXigeS ...disappearing posts... Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: SoCal/AZ/NV Posts: 4,357	BEAMS 3sge is freakin insane, my friend had one that thing is expensive!!! yes i was talkin about the 3rd gen 3sgte the one with the VVT-i __________________ -Coi-'07 AR Exige S+Gotham, Von Hep, corner balanced&tuned SACHS, 6k HID, JVC KD-NX5000, Alpine 4ch. amp, JL stealth box, s111 rear towhook and harness bar, Starshield, TG4 1/4 turn fasteners, SS brake lines, bling bling eng bay, painted calipers, TD 1.2 wheels w/ Toyo R888, Safecraft harnesses, DRL delete, s111 CRD mount. add me: www.myspace.com/kandyredcoi & lotuscar.ning.com/profile/KandyRedCoi

03-13-2008, 03:12 AM	#19 (permalink)
RSpyder The cheaper Midship RWD Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: SoCal Posts: 81	BEAMS...one of my dream motors, Flux!!! LOL!!! Yeah it is expensive/hard to get. For my 91 SW20 i can always consider 1MZ V6 with a Supercharger

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