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texige · 09-21-2009, 07:00 PM

Does anyone know how much heavier the V6 is? It isn't like a 2200 lb. Exige with 350 hp would be a porker.

Viggen · 09-21-2009, 08:08 PM

the problem with the wankels is they suck down the gas, cannot take boost & are not as light as one would think considering their size.

lotustt · 09-23-2009, 11:56 AM

Westrock · 10-17-2009, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by texige

Does anyone know how much heavier the V6 is? It isn't like a 2200 lb. Exige with 350 hp would be a porker.

Engine weights can be misleading from the percieved engine size. Comparing to a 4 cylinder with a supercharger and and intercooler it could well be within 50 pounds. Although, what transmission are they attaching to this? Is there a common place Toyota 6 speed? The transmission probably weighs more then the one we have now, since ours isn't known for handling much above 300HP.

But I have seen when people have taken older iron 4 cylinders and replaced it with something like a LS1 and the cars weighs almost the exact same, with 3x times the displacment.

Guld · 10-17-2009, 06:42 PM

Could this simply be a mule for testing powertrains for the Evora? Nothing more. To me, the whole notion of a V6 Exige just seems incompatible with the car's ethos. Just a thought...

Westrock · 10-17-2009, 10:22 PM

It would allow Lotus to continue offering the Exige with the current power output, but at a lot less risky setup (from a warranty perspective) compared to a high compression moderate boost 4 cylinder. However it would be pretty atypical for a car company to offer a lower cost model that has as much power and out performs the higher price bracket offering. Although Lotus is definitely not your typical car manufacturer and that's why we love them!

Sorta like Ford not wanting the (North America) Focus RS to be faster then the Mustang GT, because the people might wonder whats the point of spending more money stick with the Focus. Probably why Nissan never brought the true Silvia 240SX as not to compete with the 300ZX or Honda not bringing the Civic Type-R because it would interfere with the Acura RSX.

Wikipedia puts 2GR-FE service weight is 163kg.

TheAntiRiced · 10-28-2009, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Westrock

Wikipedia puts 2GR-FE service weight is 163kg.

That's about 40kg more, right? That would actually make the Exige much more attractive to me I think. It would really separate it from the Elise.

fpitas · 10-28-2009, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TheAntiRiced

That's about 40kg more, right? That would actually make the Exige much more attractive to me I think. It would really separate it from the Elise.

With that much more weight tossed into the rear, it would indeed separate it from the Elise, especially on corners...

ads_green · 10-28-2009, 07:02 AM

Esp as you can't go adding 40kg's to the engine and expect not to have to upgrade the entire rear subframe.

Just look at the differences between the S2 Rover cars and the S2 Toyotas... Both 1.8 I4's but the rover is a fair chunk lighter and the toyota cars needed beefing up adding to the overall weight.

Stick a evora engine into an exige and this takes sales from an evora 2+0.

No my 2cents is that elise/exige will remain I4, evora V6 and esprit v8.

TheAntiRiced · 10-28-2009, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ads_green

Stick a evora engine into an exige and this takes sales from an evora 2+0.

People say that, but I'm not sure I see that it's true. The I4 exige is already faster than the evora. People buying the evora aren't going there because they're buying (or even want) the fastest Lotus available. Not that I've sat in an evora, but I have to imagine that nobody would question where the extra money for an evora 2+0 vs the exige went

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Originally Posted by ads_green

No my 2cents is that elise/exige will remain I4, evora V6 and esprit v8.

Oh, I agree completely that it's the way things will play out. However, I think a lot of people (like myself) who bought an elise but wouldn't go and upgrade to an exige for whatever reason would think twice if the exige had the 6 in it.

ACE51 · 10-28-2009, 10:08 PM

didn't lotus do this in the past with the esprit? wait that was 4-8 cylinder and it was a turbo 4...

deja vu anyone?

TheAntiRiced · 10-28-2009, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by fpitas

With that much more weight tossed into the rear, it would indeed separate it from the Elise, especially on corners...

80-100lbs? Knowing that if they do it they'll work to balance it out? Really? I wish I was a good/ballsy enough driver to have it negatively affect me. Of course, if I was would I really be in an exige? Wouldn't I choose an atom or 7 clone? I bet the v6 helps the average driver more in the straights then it hurts them in the turns.

Real question for track day enthusiasts is, what happens to lap times and number of laps before rebuild. I bet laps would be close between the s260 and this hypothetical NA config, but what about the reliability question? And then you start thinking about boosting the output of this slightly heavier engine....

ads_green · 10-29-2009, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ACE51

didn't lotus do this in the past with the esprit? wait that was 4-8 cylinder and it was a turbo 4...

deja vu anyone?

Lotus had to do that with the Esprit - it was their flagship supercar and trying to compete with other V8 supercars. The perception was that it couldn't do that no matter how light and great the handling was.

So to satisfy the public they stuck the big V8 engine in there. Turbocharged. Twice

shay2nak · 10-29-2009, 10:20 AM

yeah, one turbo for every 4 cylinders. Like the original.

jlj3394 · 10-29-2009, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by fpitas

With that much more weight tossed into the rear, it would indeed separate it from the Elise, especially on corners...

Is it really "in the rear?" It seems to me it would be distributed between the front and rear, depending on where it ends up sitting.

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Esp as you can't go adding 40kg's to the engine and expect not to have to upgrade the entire rear subframe.

How much is currently added by a supercharger and intercooler? I would guess it is significant.

Any additions in weight for a beefed up subframe could be offset elsewhere. Or they could use lighter weight, but higher quality steel in the subframe.

With all of that said, I'd bet this is a mule for the NEXT elise/exige. They're not going to do much with these when they're trying to simultaneously develop the Esprit, refine and update the Evora, and develop the S3 Elise/Exige.

Vishus_1 · 10-29-2009, 01:16 PM

Just thought I would point out that the US Spec 2009+ Exige Sport 260's and UK Cup 260's have a revised rear sub frame. It is supposed to be lighter with a different coating on it - I don't know if it was designed to potentially accomodate a V6 or not - but it is a little suprising Lotus went to the effort of doing this for such limited quantities.

cemaykan · 10-29-2009, 02:28 PM

Looks like they have some other plans for the Evora as-well:

Leaked Lotus doc hints at e-Evora ? Register Hardware

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Westrock Haxord but mine Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Fort Worth Posts: 1,340	It would allow Lotus to continue offering the Exige with the current power output, but at a lot less risky setup (from a warranty perspective) compared to a high compression moderate boost 4 cylinder. However it would be pretty atypical for a car company to offer a lower cost model that has as much power and out performs the higher price bracket offering. Although Lotus is definitely not your typical car manufacturer and that's why we love them! Sorta like Ford not wanting the (North America) Focus RS to be faster then the Mustang GT, because the people might wonder whats the point of spending more money stick with the Focus. Probably why Nissan never brought the true Silvia 240SX as not to compete with the 300ZX or Honda not bringing the Civic Type-R because it would interfere with the Acura RSX. Wikipedia puts 2GR-FE service weight is 163kg. __________________ -David 2006 Storm Ti Exige + VF Stage 2 Vision Function Supercharger Install Thread Stereo Harness Info \| Exige with no wing??

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texige Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: austin texas Posts: 839	Does anyone know how much heavier the V6 is? It isn't like a 2200 lb. Exige with 350 hp would be a porker.

10-28-2009, 07:02 AM	#29 (permalink)
ads_green Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 364	Esp as you can't go adding 40kg's to the engine and expect not to have to upgrade the entire rear subframe. Just look at the differences between the S2 Rover cars and the S2 Toyotas... Both 1.8 I4's but the rover is a fair chunk lighter and the toyota cars needed beefing up adding to the overall weight. Stick a evora engine into an exige and this takes sales from an evora 2+0. No my 2cents is that elise/exige will remain I4, evora V6 and esprit v8.

10-29-2009, 10:20 AM	#34 (permalink)
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Vishus_1 Super charged! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,038 Images: 62	Just thought I would point out that the US Spec 2009+ Exige Sport 260's and UK Cup 260's have a revised rear sub frame. It is supposed to be lighter with a different coating on it - I don't know if it was designed to potentially accomodate a V6 or not - but it is a little suprising Lotus went to the effort of doing this for such limited quantities. __________________ 2009 Exige 260 SPORT - Chrome Orange / Carbon Fiber / Black with the mustache Purchased through St Louis Motorsports

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