Any word on a next generation Elise? - LotusTalk

Rich · 09-21-2008, 10:57 AM

I'm sure this must have been discussed before, but I can't find it. Have there been any discussions, rumors, press releases, etc. regarding the next generation for the Elise? In particular, are there any good guesses on when a next generation might appear? 2011? 2013?

kestrel74 · 09-21-2008, 11:08 AM

well, the body style hasn't changed much in 13 years.....what changes are ya looking for ??

Eclise · 09-21-2008, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by kestrel74

well, the body style hasn't changed much in 13 years

Yeah, they found a winning body style with the Elise, so subsequent models--Evora, Europa--have taken a number of the same cues. I will be interested to see how much the new Esprit will look like the Elise. It is amazing how this shape/styling has remained fresh over the years. I can only imagine that a future Elise will likely have some of the sharper angles along the edges of the car smoothed-out.

kestrel74 · 09-21-2008, 11:23 AM

If anything they need to slicken it up a little.......the C/D is horrible on it !! great lines tho ! ( the C/D on the OLD Europa was .29

)

Eclise · 09-21-2008, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by kestrel74

If anything they need to slicken it up a little.......the C/D is horrible on it !! great lines tho ! ( the C/D on the OLD Europa was .29

)

Yeah, after my post above I started thinking that it would be nice if Lotus made a car that with less resistance so we wouldn't be hitting that wall around 120mph.

Rich · 09-21-2008, 11:37 AM

I couldn't care less about the looks - I meant to ask if and when they plan to go to a new platform, new engine - a real next generation. While Lotus has made far more variants available within the series 1 and series 2 Elise than most manufacturers do, there are differences in the chassis between the two that signalled a noticeable break. The Evora and Europa are not really very interesting to me.

Serebo1 · 09-21-2008, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Rich

I couldn't care less about the looks - I meant to ask if and when they plan to go to a new platform, new engine - a real next generation. While Lotus has made far more variants available within the series 1 and series 2 Elise than most manufacturers do, there are differences in the chassis between the two that signalled a noticeable break. The Evora and Europa are not really very interesting to me.

With the 2zz going buh-bye, we'll probably see something new in the powertrain are w/in the next couple of years, I imagine.

smoseley · 09-21-2008, 12:02 PM

Elise S3 target date 2010-2011, no?

Green Ghost · 09-21-2008, 12:03 PM

Will be interesting to see if this new motor will fit in our older model.

Randy Chase · 09-21-2008, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by smoseley

Elise S3 target date 2010-2011, no?

I had heard 2011, which may mean a 2012 model year?

"Coming... Fall, 2003"

kestrel74 · 09-21-2008, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Serebo1

With the 2zz going buh-bye, we'll probably see something new in the powertrain are w/in the next couple of years, I imagine.

Small V-6 turbo maybe ??

...m... · 09-21-2008, 12:52 PM

...i expect the elise platform will have a life cycle not unlike the esprit, about thirty years and three major redesigns...

def · 09-21-2008, 03:16 PM

Wouldn't mind seeing a blown ecotec

vincesf · 09-21-2008, 05:08 PM

My understanding is that an all new Elise is due in 2010 as there are plans by Abarth to use the new platform in 2011. Here is the link:

Welcome ....: Hot News: Abarth 'Elise' Turms Up the Heat

vincesf

CosmosMpower · 09-22-2008, 10:03 AM

Screw what it looks like, get rid of the 2ZZ and put in a K20 already. Everyone here is drooling over 215 whp supercharger kits when people are making up to 250 whp N/A with the K20.

LarryB · 09-22-2008, 10:44 AM

On the next gen power plants, seems like Toyota has been there source. Both for the Elise base and new Evora cars.

Last month I was talking to some of the TRD guys and asked them what Toyota motor would they expect Lotus to use. They said a 2AZ-FE, 2.4l, 158 hp 162 torque in standard N/A. They already have a S/C out for it and with a little tuning by Lotus would expect the numbers to go up.

Just put a deposit on a xB, that uses that motor (with a 5sp m/t). Been pretty happy with what I've seen of it so far.

Then again, Lotus has a few year to source a motor. So who knows what else maybe in the works.

fitfan · 09-22-2008, 11:04 AM

i am standing by years old prediction that the 2/11 styling is the forebearer of the S3 Elise.

kestrel74 · 09-22-2008, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

Screw what it looks like, get rid of the 2ZZ and put in a K20 already. Everyone here is drooling over 215 whp supercharger kits when people are making up to 250 whp N/A with the K20.

I'll agree !!!!!!!

The K20 looks like the obvious / best choice !
Honda K engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Allan Gibbs · 09-22-2008, 11:47 AM

Any idea what this new Elise will have? More interior space, longer wheel base, more weight

, etc.

Also, I won't expect another engine and IF it did it would probably be another Toyota. I think the cost to integrate and certify an engine on a low volume car make a new engine unlikely -not to mention I don't think a lot of other manufacturers were willing to sell Lotus a motor in the first place.

008 · 09-22-2008, 12:41 PM

Probably be a variant of the omnivore:
Lotus Omnivore Runs on Anything Even Southern Comfort | Autopia from Wired.com

09-21-2008, 10:57 AM	#1 (permalink)
Rich Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 334	Any word on a next generation Elise? I'm sure this must have been discussed before, but I can't find it. Have there been any discussions, rumors, press releases, etc. regarding the next generation for the Elise? In particular, are there any good guesses on when a next generation might appear? 2011? 2013?

09-21-2008, 11:08 AM	#2 (permalink)
kestrel74 G-200 Driver Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: North of Detroit; Watkins Glen, NY Posts: 9,312	well, the body style hasn't changed much in 13 years.....what changes are ya looking for ?? __________________ 74 Europa Zetec TC Special 3614R Elise #2292 / Chrome Orange !! / Starshield / Nitron Sport SA / RTDbrace / Uprights machined / Down Low rails / ChaseCam / V1 / SS lines w/ R4-S "My daily driver does .85 Mach" " I started flying when Sex was safe and Hang Gliding was dangerous " BUY My Europa ! http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f94/...pa-sale-43829/

09-21-2008, 11:23 AM	#4 (permalink)
kestrel74 G-200 Driver Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: North of Detroit; Watkins Glen, NY Posts: 9,312	If anything they need to slicken it up a little.......the C/D is horrible on it !! great lines tho ! ( the C/D on the OLD Europa was .29 ) __________________ 74 Europa Zetec TC Special 3614R Elise #2292 / Chrome Orange !! / Starshield / Nitron Sport SA / RTDbrace / Uprights machined / Down Low rails / ChaseCam / V1 / SS lines w/ R4-S "My daily driver does .85 Mach" " I started flying when Sex was safe and Hang Gliding was dangerous " BUY My Europa ! http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f94/...pa-sale-43829/

09-21-2008, 12:02 PM	#8 (permalink)
smoseley Bubble Boy Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 12,132 Images: 8	Elise S3 target date 2010-2011, no? __________________ - Steve Transio - Software Development & Web Design, Miami, FL

09-21-2008, 12:52 PM	#12 (permalink)
...m... Denuo Volatilis Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,716	...i expect the elise platform will have a life cycle not unlike the esprit, about thirty years and three major redesigns... __________________ 2005 Federal Elise \| Touring \| Storm Titanium ...73,000 miles and aging beautifully... 2000 New Beetle \| Turbo \| Reflex Silver ...107,000 miles of steadfast service...

09-21-2008, 11:37 AM	#6 (permalink)
Rich Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 334	I couldn't care less about the looks - I meant to ask if and when they plan to go to a new platform, new engine - a real next generation. While Lotus has made far more variants available within the series 1 and series 2 Elise than most manufacturers do, there are differences in the chassis between the two that signalled a noticeable break. The Evora and Europa are not really very interesting to me.

09-21-2008, 12:03 PM	#9 (permalink)
Green Ghost Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: orange county Posts: 1,184 Images: 26	Will be interesting to see if this new motor will fit in our older model.

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09-21-2008, 05:08 PM	#14 (permalink)
vincesf Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 113	My understanding is that an all new Elise is due in 2010 as there are plans by Abarth to use the new platform in 2011. Here is the link: Welcome ....: Hot News: Abarth 'Elise' Turms Up the Heat vincesf

09-22-2008, 10:03 AM	#15 (permalink)
CosmosMpower Cone Magnet Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 2,029	Screw what it looks like, get rid of the 2ZZ and put in a K20 already. Everyone here is drooling over 215 whp supercharger kits when people are making up to 250 whp N/A with the K20. __________________ 06 Canyon Red Elise LSS, Touring, SS, Stg 2, HID, BWR swaybar 09 Mini Cooper S 6MT 2000 Grand Prix White S2000

09-22-2008, 10:44 AM	#16 (permalink)
LarryB Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NorCal Posts: 3,112	On the next gen power plants, seems like Toyota has been there source. Both for the Elise base and new Evora cars. Last month I was talking to some of the TRD guys and asked them what Toyota motor would they expect Lotus to use. They said a 2AZ-FE, 2.4l, 158 hp 162 torque in standard N/A. They already have a S/C out for it and with a little tuning by Lotus would expect the numbers to go up. Just put a deposit on a xB, that uses that motor (with a 5sp m/t). Been pretty happy with what I've seen of it so far. Then again, Lotus has a few year to source a motor. So who knows what else maybe in the works.

09-22-2008, 11:04 AM	#17 (permalink)
fitfan Regurgitated User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Diego! Posts: 4,100	i am standing by years old prediction that the 2/11 styling is the forebearer of the S3 Elise. __________________ Driving it around!

09-22-2008, 11:47 AM	#19 (permalink)
Allan Gibbs Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Glendale, CA (formerly Gilbert, AZ) Posts: 5,399	Any idea what this new Elise will have? More interior space, longer wheel base, more weight , etc. Also, I won't expect another engine and IF it did it would probably be another Toyota. I think the cost to integrate and certify an engine on a low volume car make a new engine unlikely -not to mention I don't think a lot of other manufacturers were willing to sell Lotus a motor in the first place. __________________ 2005 BRP Elise- SOLD 6/9/07 2006 MV Agusta F4S - SOLD 4/30/09 2008 Audi TT (MKII) 2009 Audi A4 2009 Ducati 1198

09-22-2008, 12:41 PM	#20 (permalink)
008 Sexual Philanthropist Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,170	Probably be a variant of the omnivore: Lotus Omnivore Runs on Anything Even Southern Comfort \| Autopia from Wired.com __________________ Sold: Ardent Red, LSS, Touring, Hard Top 08 Cayman S Black, floormats

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