Europa Spotted by SELOC - LotusTalk

ajp33 · 03-07-2006, 12:48 PM

Thought you might like these. I think it actually looks pretty good in the first picture. I still don't like those rear lights. Very cheap and nasty looking.

http://forums.seloc.org/viewthread.php?tid=74043

kestrel74 · 03-07-2006, 02:33 PM

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ajp33 · 03-07-2006, 02:37 PM

Oops sorry !

911EATER · 03-07-2006, 02:53 PM

If you like things ugly, it's the car for you.

Ian · 03-07-2006, 02:57 PM

How come the Elise next to it looks like it's wearing snow tires?

YELOTUS · 03-07-2006, 03:04 PM

That car does ZERO for me...sorry just not up to what I thought Lotus was all about...of course IMHO
Michael

fan_f1 · 03-07-2006, 03:05 PM

Not feeling it....

fitfan · 03-07-2006, 03:07 PM

maybe if that whole indented rear valance area with in the tail light area, spoiler etc.. were blacked out, it might look better?

photochop anyone?

MyElise · 03-07-2006, 05:03 PM

Looks even worse in person. Like an Elise on steroids (bloated). Who approved that design?

Lotus CEO to design team:
"Gentlemen, I want to congratulate you all on your superior effort. Once again, you have truly captured the Lotus tradition in a more road friendly package. Thank you."

"Now, would someone please ask the valet to bring my Eclat around to the front door."

kestrel74 · 03-07-2006, 05:11 PM

Ho Hum........looks like everything else.

espritv8 · 03-07-2006, 05:30 PM

maybe they are saving up all the good stuff for the next esprit?!?

jjhjr · 03-07-2006, 05:58 PM

Reminds me of a station wagon from the back. Too bad.

Callabrator · 03-07-2006, 06:43 PM

Call me crazy, but I rather like it in those shots. The back end is still styled incorrectly, but the rest of the angles make it look rather nice. If the interrior was more than just a slightly polished up Elise interrior and the back end was restyled, I'd certainly say this car could compete in the GT cruiser category. We've go to keep in mind that it's not aiming to compete in the Elise/Exige segment...the Europa makes a very nice grocery getter

FunElan · 03-07-2006, 06:47 PM

I think the styling looks somewhat aggressive in these photos, but not my kind of aggressive. I think they should refer to the original Europa for styling cues. That car was/is gorgeous

NCElise · 03-07-2006, 07:11 PM

I don't think it's looks are too bad. Well, the back kinda sucks (looks more Asian than European, IMO). However, I don't get the point.

I get the Exige, but not sure what Lotus was after with this car. People who want luxary should just buy a Z4 or SLK, or Audi TT. It's like they're trying to break into a market that doesn't have heart for what Lotus is.

Crudson · 03-07-2006, 07:22 PM

I reaaally want to like this car, but it doesn't stir much in me like the Elise. In fact, when side by side it makes the Elise look a little worse as they share many design similarities.

wallabyguy · 03-07-2006, 08:12 PM

Again, I haven't seen it in the flesh but I think it needs the following:

1) A new rear: the mercury couger tail lamps just don't do it

2) more width: A center arm rest and a proper center console would make the car more comfortable for longer trips (and make it different than the elise/ exige)

3) new engine: Either the easy Toyota SC unit OR the 3.0 6 cyl from the APX. Min 260 hp.

4) LED headlights: more agressively styled

5) Design retouch: The body needs to be cleaned up. It lacks flow. Also a bit too heavy in the chin. Sides need more detail and the way the rear clam flares from the doors doesn't look right.

NCElise · 03-07-2006, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wallabyguy

Again, I haven't seen it in the flesh but I think it needs the following:

1) A new rear: the mercury couger tail lamps just don't do it

That's where I've seen them!

MattG · 03-07-2006, 08:33 PM

It lacks continuity. Specifically, the vents. The front, top, and sides are large black shapes. Ok, fine. The rear has those vents (or fake vents, doesn't matter in this case) that are split by a body-colored part. It just doesn't *match* the look of the rest of the car.

Additionally, at the rear, the bottom of the taillights does not line up with the bottom of the trunklid, it's offset for some reason.

Then of course there's the tacked on rear spoiler...yuck!

ChrisStarrUSA · 03-07-2006, 08:42 PM

This is just not a good design.

First, it's ugly.

Second, it's based on the Elise, but doesn't abide by the lightweight principles in that it's larger, heavier, and basically lower performing than the Elise.

Third, despite being larger and heavier, it adds few amenities such as interior room, storage capacity, luxury features, etc.

Reminds me of the line "poor, fat, and stupid is no way to go through life..." - it's ugly, fat, and marketless....

03-07-2006, 12:48 PM	#1 (permalink)
ajp33 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Sunny Pittsburgh Posts: 672	Europa Spotted by SELOC Thought you might like these. I think it actually looks pretty good in the first picture. I still don't like those rear lights. Very cheap and nasty looking. http://forums.seloc.org/viewthread.php?tid=74043

03-07-2006, 02:33 PM	#2 (permalink)
kestrel74 G-200 Driver Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: North of Detroit; Watkins Glen, NY Posts: 9,311	Error You must be registered to view these boards. Register OR Login __________________ 74 Europa Zetec TC Special 3614R Elise #2292 / Chrome Orange !! / Starshield / Nitron Sport SA / RTDbrace / Uprights machined / Down Low rails / ChaseCam / V1 / SS lines w/ R4-S "My daily driver does .85 Mach" " I started flying when Sex was safe and Hang Gliding was dangerous " BUY My Europa ! http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f94/...pa-sale-43829/

03-07-2006, 02:37 PM	#3 (permalink)
ajp33 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Sunny Pittsburgh Posts: 672	Oops sorry ! Attached Images

03-07-2006, 02:57 PM	#5 (permalink)
Ian Certified Fun Stopper Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: San Antonio TX/Daytona Beach FL Posts: 4,050	How come the Elise next to it looks like it's wearing snow tires? __________________ '06 Exige; Polar Blue; Track/Touring/Stage II/LSD-TC '05 Elise; Arctic Silver/Ruby Red (R.I.P)

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YELOTUS Oh Yes! An Elise Driver Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Reston Virginia Posts: 549	That car does ZERO for me...sorry just not up to what I thought Lotus was all about...of course IMHO Michael __________________ Formerly MichaelTT

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911EATER Porsche convert Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 344	If you like things ugly, it's the car for you.

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fan_f1 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 76	Not feeling it.... __________________ 2005 CO/BLK Elise, Sport, Touring, Hardtop, SS, Stage II, ITG, RAC Wheels, Challenge Grill, CO Calipers & Console, Rear Lotus Badge, Hardwired V1 Radar, Eclipse Focal audiophile, hose kit, cover, UK manuals (SOLD) 2002 M3 05/02 Production BMW CPO CB/B 6MT Premium, Xenons, Satin Black 19" SSR GT3's, Stealth Grills, 50% tint, MINT!!! 2008 PORSCHE Cayenne Blk/Blk 21" BBS RXII's 2005 PORSCHE Cayenne Wht/Blk 20" OZ Racing Canyon's (SOLD)

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fitfan Regurgitated User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Diego! Posts: 4,092	maybe if that whole indented rear valance area with in the tail light area, spoiler etc.. were blacked out, it might look better? photochop anyone? __________________ Driving it around!

03-07-2006, 05:03 PM	#9 (permalink)
MyElise Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,930 Images: 28	Looks even worse in person. Like an Elise on steroids (bloated). Who approved that design? Lotus CEO to design team: "Gentlemen, I want to congratulate you all on your superior effort. Once again, you have truly captured the Lotus tradition in a more road friendly package. Thank you." "Now, would someone please ask the valet to bring my Eclat around to the front door." Attached Images __________________ Checker or Wrecker!!! We're all here because we're not all there. Last edited by MyElise : 03-07-2006 at 05:15 PM.

03-07-2006, 05:11 PM	#10 (permalink)
kestrel74 G-200 Driver Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: North of Detroit; Watkins Glen, NY Posts: 9,311	Ho Hum........looks like everything else. __________________ 74 Europa Zetec TC Special 3614R Elise #2292 / Chrome Orange !! / Starshield / Nitron Sport SA / RTDbrace / Uprights machined / Down Low rails / ChaseCam / V1 / SS lines w/ R4-S "My daily driver does .85 Mach" " I started flying when Sex was safe and Hang Gliding was dangerous " BUY My Europa ! http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f94/...pa-sale-43829/

03-07-2006, 05:30 PM	#11 (permalink)
espritv8 delivered on 1.11 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: south jersey Posts: 457	maybe they are saving up all the good stuff for the next esprit?!? __________________ chief kingpin of the S.B.A., Starlight Black Authority Starlight Black, hardtop & starshield. delivered on 1.11.05 driven by design. ok, and lotus www.ta-design.com

03-07-2006, 05:58 PM	#12 (permalink)
jjhjr Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 95	Reminds me of a station wagon from the back. Too bad.

03-07-2006, 06:43 PM	#13 (permalink)
Callabrator Cheers! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 325	Call me crazy, but I rather like it in those shots. The back end is still styled incorrectly, but the rest of the angles make it look rather nice. If the interrior was more than just a slightly polished up Elise interrior and the back end was restyled, I'd certainly say this car could compete in the GT cruiser category. We've go to keep in mind that it's not aiming to compete in the Elise/Exige segment...the Europa makes a very nice grocery getter __________________ 2006 SY Exige 1999 Honda Passport daily driver Last edited by Callabrator : 03-07-2006 at 06:45 PM.

03-07-2006, 06:47 PM	#14 (permalink)
FunElan Finally drove it! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Long Beach/Manhattan Beach, CA Posts: 1,178 Images: 19	I think the styling looks somewhat aggressive in these photos, but not my kind of aggressive. I think they should refer to the original Europa for styling cues. That car was/is gorgeous __________________ 1969 Lotus Elan 1968 BMW 1600 Livin' life in the '60's ;-)

03-07-2006, 07:11 PM	#15 (permalink)
NCElise Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 357 Images: 4	I don't think it's looks are too bad. Well, the back kinda sucks (looks more Asian than European, IMO). However, I don't get the point. I get the Exige, but not sure what Lotus was after with this car. People who want luxary should just buy a Z4 or SLK, or Audi TT. It's like they're trying to break into a market that doesn't have heart for what Lotus is.

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03-07-2006, 07:22 PM	#16 (permalink)
Crudson / Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 2,485	I reaaally want to like this car, but it doesn't stir much in me like the Elise. In fact, when side by side it makes the Elise look a little worse as they share many design similarities.

03-07-2006, 08:12 PM	#17 (permalink)
wallabyguy Not Dead Yet Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 5,896	Again, I haven't seen it in the flesh but I think it needs the following: 1) A new rear: the mercury couger tail lamps just don't do it 2) more width: A center arm rest and a proper center console would make the car more comfortable for longer trips (and make it different than the elise/ exige) 3) new engine: Either the easy Toyota SC unit OR the 3.0 6 cyl from the APX. Min 260 hp. 4) LED headlights: more agressively styled 5) Design retouch: The body needs to be cleaned up. It lacks flow. Also a bit too heavy in the chin. Sides need more detail and the way the rear clam flares from the doors doesn't look right. __________________ former Lotus Sales Robert (aka Sith Lord of LBL) 74 Elite 502 05 Elise (Snuffalupagous..RIP : Laser Blue, Black Leather, Touring Pack, Hardtop ) The Wallaby Will Ride Again

03-07-2006, 08:33 PM	#19 (permalink)
MattG insert clever title here Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Living above the clouds in Colorado Posts: 7,676 Images: 11	It lacks continuity. Specifically, the vents. The front, top, and sides are large black shapes. Ok, fine. The rear has those vents (or fake vents, doesn't matter in this case) that are split by a body-colored part. It just doesn't match the look of the rest of the car. Additionally, at the rear, the bottom of the taillights does not line up with the bottom of the trunklid, it's offset for some reason. Then of course there's the tacked on rear spoiler...yuck! __________________ '05 Elise, Magnetic Blue / Biscuit / Hardtop / http://eliseinfo.com Radar detector mounting brackets for sale here

03-07-2006, 08:42 PM	#20 (permalink)
ChrisStarrUSA Second cam junkie! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 1,121	This is just not a good design. First, it's ugly. Second, it's based on the Elise, but doesn't abide by the lightweight principles in that it's larger, heavier, and basically lower performing than the Elise. Third, despite being larger and heavier, it adds few amenities such as interior room, storage capacity, luxury features, etc. Reminds me of the line "poor, fat, and stupid is no way to go through life..." - it's ugly, fat, and marketless....