Why have I never seen this Lotus? - LotusTalk

chris heath · 07-16-2009, 08:31 PM

I saw this lotus in the lotus international magazine. i have never seen it before. Am i just stupid and everyone has seen it?

TTZip · 07-16-2009, 08:36 PM

I have seen it. I remember when it was first announced. You probably have never seen it because there was no plan for it to come to the USA and as I understand it that it never will.

Green Ghost · 07-16-2009, 08:36 PM

I will go with answer B

chris heath · 07-16-2009, 08:37 PM

well that makes sense. so is it one that isnt approved to be driven in the us?

Randy Chase · 07-16-2009, 08:40 PM

Yes. A good car, different motor. Quite nice.

But not coming to the USA.

I have had the pleasure of being in them in England including a nice blat about the countryside with a Lotus product engineer.

RichS · 07-16-2009, 08:42 PM

Although it may end up coming to the US as a Dodge electric vehicle...

...m... · 07-16-2009, 08:42 PM

...i expect the europa to be phased out now that the evora is available - it was never well-received by the market, although this race-prepped europa is quite beguiling, i think...

Green Ghost · 07-16-2009, 08:47 PM

Being serious it’s not in the US, but its been in a few magazines and a few pics have been here in LT.

The car didn’t sell to well in Europe and that also doesn't help it’s popularity much.

chris heath · 07-16-2009, 08:50 PM

i like the look but the article said 5.5 (maybe 5.7) for 0-60 and top speed of 14_?

well thank you for the info. sorry to make a new thread

Randy Chase · 07-16-2009, 08:59 PM

No worries about a new thread. It has good torque and with some mods is pretty fast. I met a guy in the UK who was quite proud of his and the power he had with it.

It is more targeted to the cruiser market, and as noted, the Evora really takes that over.

And yes, the new Dodge is based on this, so we may see it here as an electric. If so, I might be tempted. I think the car in person is very good looking.

chris heath · 07-16-2009, 09:10 PM

i really like the looks of the car. well at least from the outside.

Randy,

how do you think the evora compares?

I like the look of this one better than the evora, but performace and overall which do you like?

...m... · 07-16-2009, 10:41 PM

...the europa is a compromise vehicle - all the raw performance of the 111 platform softened to serve as a GT car, and all the opulent smoothness of a GT car shoehorned into a harsh 111 chassis...it's certainly rare, although many find its styling banal by contemporary lotus standards, a touch too much like any-other-sports-coupe...

...the evora, conversely, was designed from the ground up as a GT car, and it really shows when you experience one in person...i don't doubt that the europa is a unique ownership experience, but i also don't think it's capable of coming across as elegantly-composed as the evora's comprehensive design solution...certainly the evora will outperform the europa, and it will also outfunction the europa at both cars' intended role - about the only way the europa comes out on top is as a scarce specimen: a factory elise made posh...

Aedo · 07-16-2009, 11:05 PM

I like the look of the Europa (particularly the SE variant in white) - this thread - Stunning Lotus Europa S photo shoot - has some great photos of one in Australia

Slipstreamer · 07-16-2009, 11:06 PM

A Dodge-badged Europa (same as the OP's picture) was displayed at the LA auto show last year & also appeared at Cars &
Coffee around that time. I have a 1:18 die cast model

futurism · 07-18-2009, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Aedo

I like the look of the Europa (particularly the SE variant in white) - this thread - Stunning Lotus Europa S photo shoot - has some great photos of one in Australia

thats my car
lotus only ever intended to produce 500 of these
I guess if it sold really well they might have changed their mind on that
The issue with it for most people is the price, I can only compare australian prices but the ratio should be the same wherever
A base model elise costs $70k. A Europa S (which was the only model originally) costs $110k

thats a lot more to pay, might as well get an elise

I bought mine secondhand, it was the press demonstrator for Australia

As for the softness/cruiser bit, lotus tried to push that message and failed. The cabins the same, sure it has some extra leather, better seats as standard but the leather is an afterthought and the size of everything is the same, mine still has the plastic uncovered dashboard
The chassis, suspension and brakes are the same as an elise

Minnis · 07-18-2009, 03:52 PM

Idaho.

dfa2100 · 07-18-2009, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Minnis

Idaho.

Huh?

Minnis · 07-18-2009, 05:20 PM

The thread asked "why have I not seen this Lotus". The OP lists home as Idaho. I cant imagine too many people in Idaho talking about the non- US Europa. There's nothing potato-ie about it. Okay my humor is a little off today. no offense OP. question...

I know most people believe they haven't even seen an Elise in the US. I work with guys that claim the same yet I have been with them as they drive by Lotuses all the time and they don't notice. If you're not interested or looking for the cars or the information yes you won't know about it.

Dragon · 07-18-2009, 07:59 PM

I've seen a few of them in Tokyo on my trips...

DaveR · 07-18-2009, 08:50 PM

The Europa as far I understand can not be shipped to the US....which sucks because it a slick looking car. Performance as 'stock' isnt that great,(compared to the Elise and Exige) but nice look!

07-16-2009, 08:31 PM	#1 (permalink)
chris heath cant wait 4 warm weather Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Idaho Posts: 468	Why have I never seen this Lotus? I saw this lotus in the lotus international magazine. i have never seen it before. Am i just stupid and everyone has seen it? Attached Images

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Green Ghost Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: orange county Posts: 1,184 Images: 26	I will go with answer B __________________ Track Pack, LSD, & Touring Pack

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Randy Chase Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: San Diego and where ever the roads lead Posts: 28,175 Images: 761	Yes. A good car, different motor. Quite nice. But not coming to the USA. I have had the pleasure of being in them in England including a nice blat about the countryside with a Lotus product engineer. __________________ * V E R I T A S * A E Q U I T A S * No Longer the ADMIN here, please do not PM me asking for help. Thanks! http://www.facebook.com/randychase 1991 Toyota MR2. AutoX Beast 2006 Noble M400. Track weapon. 2009 Rossion Q1. Monaco Orange. Canyon Carver. In build: 2009 Toniq R (300whp? 1100 pounds?). Chrome Orange. Lexus GX-470 tow vehicle. On Order: Lotus Evora Next: McLaren MP4-12C

07-16-2009, 08:42 PM	#6 (permalink)
RichS No, it's only an N/A Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 3,285	Although it may end up coming to the US as a Dodge electric vehicle... __________________ Useful links to vendors removed at Nadeem's request. "Nice avatar by the way, I doubt Colin Chapman would have followed the herd as I have seen many here do. --Nadeem"

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...m... Denuo Volatilis Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,715	...i expect the europa to be phased out now that the evora is available - it was never well-received by the market, although this race-prepped europa is quite beguiling, i think... __________________ 2005 Federal Elise \| Touring \| Storm Titanium ...73,000 miles and aging beautifully... 2000 New Beetle \| Turbo \| Reflex Silver ...107,000 miles of steadfast service...

07-16-2009, 08:36 PM	#2 (permalink)
TTZip Alienoid Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 242	I have seen it. I remember when it was first announced. You probably have never seen it because there was no plan for it to come to the USA and as I understand it that it never will.

07-16-2009, 08:37 PM	#4 (permalink)
chris heath cant wait 4 warm weather Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Idaho Posts: 468	well that makes sense. so is it one that isnt approved to be driven in the us?

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Green Ghost Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: orange county Posts: 1,184 Images: 26	Being serious it’s not in the US, but its been in a few magazines and a few pics have been here in LT. The car didn’t sell to well in Europe and that also doesn't help it’s popularity much. __________________ Track Pack, LSD, & Touring Pack

07-16-2009, 08:50 PM	#9 (permalink)
chris heath cant wait 4 warm weather Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Idaho Posts: 468	i like the look but the article said 5.5 (maybe 5.7) for 0-60 and top speed of 14_? well thank you for the info. sorry to make a new thread

07-16-2009, 08:59 PM	#10 (permalink)
Randy Chase Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: San Diego and where ever the roads lead Posts: 28,175 Images: 761	No worries about a new thread. It has good torque and with some mods is pretty fast. I met a guy in the UK who was quite proud of his and the power he had with it. It is more targeted to the cruiser market, and as noted, the Evora really takes that over. And yes, the new Dodge is based on this, so we may see it here as an electric. If so, I might be tempted. I think the car in person is very good looking. __________________ * V E R I T A S * A E Q U I T A S * No Longer the ADMIN here, please do not PM me asking for help. Thanks! http://www.facebook.com/randychase 1991 Toyota MR2. AutoX Beast 2006 Noble M400. Track weapon. 2009 Rossion Q1. Monaco Orange. Canyon Carver. In build: 2009 Toniq R (300whp? 1100 pounds?). Chrome Orange. Lexus GX-470 tow vehicle. On Order: Lotus Evora Next: McLaren MP4-12C

07-16-2009, 09:10 PM	#11 (permalink)
chris heath cant wait 4 warm weather Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Idaho Posts: 468	i really like the looks of the car. well at least from the outside. Randy, how do you think the evora compares? I like the look of this one better than the evora, but performace and overall which do you like?

07-16-2009, 10:41 PM	#12 (permalink)
...m... Denuo Volatilis Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,715	...the europa is a compromise vehicle - all the raw performance of the 111 platform softened to serve as a GT car, and all the opulent smoothness of a GT car shoehorned into a harsh 111 chassis...it's certainly rare, although many find its styling banal by contemporary lotus standards, a touch too much like any-other-sports-coupe... ...the evora, conversely, was designed from the ground up as a GT car, and it really shows when you experience one in person...i don't doubt that the europa is a unique ownership experience, but i also don't think it's capable of coming across as elegantly-composed as the evora's comprehensive design solution...certainly the evora will outperform the europa, and it will also outfunction the europa at both cars' intended role - about the only way the europa comes out on top is as a scarce specimen: a factory elise made posh... __________________ 2005 Federal Elise \| Touring \| Storm Titanium ...73,000 miles and aging beautifully... 2000 New Beetle \| Turbo \| Reflex Silver ...107,000 miles of steadfast service...

07-16-2009, 11:05 PM	#13 (permalink)
Aedo anglophile in exile Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Oz Posts: 2,572 Images: 88	I like the look of the Europa (particularly the SE variant in white) - this thread - Stunning Lotus Europa S photo shoot - has some great photos of one in Australia Last edited by Aedo : 07-16-2009 at 11:27 PM. Reason: added pic :)

07-16-2009, 11:06 PM	#14 (permalink)
Slipstreamer Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 204	A Dodge-badged Europa (same as the OP's picture) was displayed at the LA auto show last year & also appeared at Cars & Coffee around that time. I have a 1:18 die cast model __________________ '05 ELISE Storm Titanium LSS/TP/HT/Dual Oil Coolers/Starshield/Raptor Racing exhaust XP111 (LBH)/BWR 7/8" Anti Roll Bar "Smooth is fast, but fast is quicker"

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07-18-2009, 05:20 PM	#18 (permalink)
Minnis '010 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Vegas/Phila. Posts: 770 Images: 1	The thread asked "why have I not seen this Lotus". The OP lists home as Idaho. I cant imagine too many people in Idaho talking about the non- US Europa. There's nothing potato-ie about it. Okay my humor is a little off today. no offense OP. question... I know most people believe they haven't even seen an Elise in the US. I work with guys that claim the same yet I have been with them as they drive by Lotuses all the time and they don't notice. If you're not interested or looking for the cars or the information yes you won't know about it. Last edited by Minnis : 07-18-2009 at 05:30 PM.

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DaveR Rothrock Lotus Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Springfield, PA Posts: 182	The Europa as far I understand can not be shipped to the US....which sucks because it a slick looking car. Performance as 'stock' isnt that great,(compared to the Elise and Exige) but nice look!