What's happened to Arizona? Photo radar crazy. - LotusTalk

Allan Gibbs · 12-18-2008, 03:17 PM

I was last in Phoenix in October 2008. When back last weekend for a funeral and photo radar stations have popped up like weeds.

There's two photo radars in Tonopah and there's a photo radar setup at almost every exit in downtown on the I10 and on the US60. How's the 202?

I got flashed by the one in Tonopah coming into Phoenix. Ironically, on the way back to Los Angeles, there isn't one. Must be targeting the CA drivers.

cokey · 12-18-2008, 06:18 PM

yea i've heard bout this.. a lot of them going up in AZ.. one of the places i'm looking to move lol..

2006PolarBlueElise · 12-18-2008, 10:19 PM

I just drove back from Scottsdale tonight about an hour ago... in the Lotus of course, and during which time I passed 2 van cameras on the way up on the 101, and on the way back on the 101 again, I passed 8 motorist pulled over by 8 separate highway patrol cars in about a 5 mile stretch! WTF!!!

25psi_Elise_Killer · 12-18-2008, 10:42 PM

plenty of articles about arizona speed cameras here

TheNewspaper.Com: Front Page
just type "arizona" in the search box

fzust · 12-19-2008, 06:06 AM

Yeah, now we're turning into the next nanny-state. Its all about revenue. This Austrailian company makes these things, installs and monitors them for free and basically sends the state a check.

swaq · 12-19-2008, 06:52 AM

I hate them. Their only purpose is for revenue and it has been shown that it isn't making the roads safer. Often they are making the roads more dangerous because people panic brake when they see the camera.

The Tucson radar van is going to be on Valencia (near the airport) for seven hours on Christmas Eve. I'm sure they have the safety of Christmas travelers in mind and aren't thinking at all about the revenue from increased traffic in that area...

Good site that follows photo radar in Arizona:
CameraFRAUD.com

fishguy · 12-19-2008, 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2006PolarBlueElise

I passed 8 motorist pulled over by 8 separate highway patrol cars in about a 5 mile stretch! WTF!!!

so you have a problem with people being pulled over by real cops for speeding also, or just the camera doing the work of people?
I am not a fan of the cameras for speeding( i do like the ones that enforce red light running, that saves lives IMO), but i have no issue whatsoever when a real cop pulls someone over.
its a simple solution, just dont go over the speedlimit, and take out your frustrations at the track.

Mr_Baker · 12-19-2008, 07:41 AM

Yes, people brake heavily from 90, go thru the zone very carefully, then speed up again. Pretty funny.

JCWORKS · 12-19-2008, 07:47 AM

Been doing alot of research on this! Most of you might already know this! I have found a simple way to protect yourself from photo radar tickets! Register you car to a LLC. Wish I could find the article that talks about this but I found it to be very interesting..

Anyone else read about that?

--see if I can find that link to that article--

--found it-

Phoenix Phoenix - Gotcha! - News - page 1 - Phoenix New Times

Andrikos · 12-19-2008, 07:56 AM

They gotta make up for the budget shortfall somehow!

fzust · 12-19-2008, 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishguy

its a simple solution, just dont go over the speedlimit, and take out your frustrations at the track.

This is largely a BS answer. In Arizona it isn't completely flat, but in Phoenix its close. The center part of I-10 that goes straight through the City is 55mph. It is 65mph until you are in complete desert. The limits were set artifically low to slow things down. They should raise the limits 10mph now that they have 24/7 enforcement.

Lancia · 12-19-2008, 09:16 AM

Yes, cameras replace cops because someone who will risk death at an intersection is sure to be stopped by a camera.
I hear LA is replacing all cops with security systems and clerks.

It is obvious and well documented that most people tagged at redlights are people doing safe "paper" crimes like being a quarter second through the light.
It is also well known that a proper yellow time eliminates almost all "redlight running".
Our accident rate has skyrocketed here due to panic by the cameras.

I'm sure Operation Showboat will make you feel really good until someone really dangerous blasts through a light and takes you out.
Only cameras, right?

The truly dangerous drivers are only stopped by the presence of police.

Hotrod · 12-19-2008, 12:46 PM

I just got my first tic here in Az. today! Was 20 over (I know, bad) but was written up for 15 over (whew). The weird part is the cop chose to give me a tic that wouldn't affect my driving record or insurance. Never even heard of that!

And I couldn't help but notice, when he sent me on my way, there was another cop that had someone else pulled over behind me!

Allan Gibbs · 12-19-2008, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hotrod

I just got my first tic here in Az. today! Was 20 over (I know, bad) but was written up for 15 over (whew). The weird part is the cop chose to give me a tic that wouldn't affect my driving record or insurance. Never even heard of that!

And I couldn't help but notice, when he sent me on my way, there was another cop that had someone else pulled over behind me!

I think I've read that somewhere in my research about AZ ticket. The photo radar tickets on the freeway don't add points to your driving records. I'll try to dig that up later but would make sense if you want people to keep speeding. Pay your fine and go around again.

BULLETTIME · 12-19-2008, 01:25 PM

I just got flashed Wednesday on the 202 at Broadway in Mesa. Mobile photo radar unit. Thing is, I was doing like 60 at the time. I saw the warning signs and checked my speed. Just over 65, so I slowed down a tad, well before the camera was in sight. And it still flashed me. WTF?!! And it's not like I was speeding before I saw the warning signs either. We're talking maybe 68mph. Supposedly, those things aren't even programmed to go off unless you're doing 11 or more over the limit. I'm pretty pissed because I just did traffic school 2 weeks ago!! (I was pulled over by a real cop, and got a legit ticket)

swaq · 12-19-2008, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BULLETTIME

I just got flashed Wednesday on the 202 at Broadway in Mesa. Mobile photo radar unit. Thing is, I was doing like 60 at the time. I saw the warning signs and checked my speed. Just over 65, so I slowed down a tad, well before the camera was in sight. And it still flashed me. WTF?!! And it's not like I was speeding before I saw the warning signs either. We're talking maybe 68mph. Supposedly, those things aren't even programmed to go off unless you're doing 11 or more over the limit. I'm pretty pissed because I just did traffic school 2 weeks ago!! (I was pulled over by a real cop, and got a legit ticket)

I'd be surprised if you got a ticket, but you never know. I was flashed while doing about 50 in a 40 and no ticket ever showed up. Might have helped that I still have Oregon plates on my car...

Allan Gibbs · 12-19-2008, 02:26 PM

When I got flashed, I was doing 83 (on my speedo which should be more like 81 in actual) in a 75mph zone. I heard the 11 mph over was the trigger point too which means I'd have to be doing 86mph.

the1sen · 12-25-2008, 03:36 PM

People drive so erratically in AZ, it's nauseating.

It's like watching the deaf, dumb, and blind carrying on through never never land... no turn signals, no consistent speeds, and heaven forbid you ask someone to keep a safe distance from your rear end - ESPECIALLY the pukes on their cell phones.

Add in the cameras, and you have the beginnings of the police state. I don't plan on getting one as I drive like a bat out of hell from 0-speed limit and then cruise... I just can't afford a ticket and would rather buy new mods for my new Elise.

As for the cops - well, I wouldn't want their job. Can you imagine being so low and untalented that you couldn't find a better job than to pull people over all day long? I've never met a cop that woke up in the morning and said, "Oh BOY!!! I can't WAIT to go pull people over and scoop up dead people off roadways today!! It's going to be a GREAT day!!"

It's a bullsh1t job... full of guys I used to beat up and take lunch money from when I was a kid. funny how karma works.

doma · 12-25-2008, 05:13 PM

I recently got a ticket in AZ. Was driving over the limit. The officer gave me a ticket for 'Wasting Resources' which is a $35 ticket that carries no points or insurance hassle, etc. Was driving from Phx to Safford. A ticket for wasting gas... oh well, the fine and hassle sure could have been worse.

IXLR8 · 12-25-2008, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishguy

so you have a problem with people being pulled over by real cops for speeding also, or just the camera doing the work of people?

What if you decide to fight the ticket?
You have the right to face your accuser.
How do you swear in a camera?
How do you cross examine a camera?

That right has been taken away from you.....just one of many.
This is being done for two reasons.......control and revenue.

12-18-2008, 03:17 PM	#1 (permalink)
Allan Gibbs Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Glendale, CA (formerly Gilbert, AZ) Posts: 5,399	What's happened to Arizona? Photo radar crazy. I was last in Phoenix in October 2008. When back last weekend for a funeral and photo radar stations have popped up like weeds. There's two photo radars in Tonopah and there's a photo radar setup at almost every exit in downtown on the I10 and on the US60. How's the 202? I got flashed by the one in Tonopah coming into Phoenix. Ironically, on the way back to Los Angeles, there isn't one. Must be targeting the CA drivers. __________________ 2005 BRP Elise- SOLD 6/9/07 2006 MV Agusta F4S - SOLD 4/30/09 2008 Audi TT (MKII) 2009 Audi A4 2009 Ducati 1198

12-18-2008, 06:18 PM	#2 (permalink)
cokey i'm fast Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: brooklyn ny Posts: 320	yea i've heard bout this.. a lot of them going up in AZ.. one of the places i'm looking to move lol.. __________________ BMW steel grey 04' neon srt4 ???hp ???ft lbs pulled the motor myself n rebuilt it.. got my baby back and its running strong. here for the love of the Elise, Exige and gaining the knowledge before I can get my own... my car.. http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f152...ny-pics-62883/

12-18-2008, 10:19 PM	#3 (permalink)
2006PolarBlueElise AZ Classic Car Enthusiast Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: southeast of Phoenix AZ Posts: 343	I just drove back from Scottsdale tonight about an hour ago... in the Lotus of course, and during which time I passed 2 van cameras on the way up on the 101, and on the way back on the 101 again, I passed 8 motorist pulled over by 8 separate highway patrol cars in about a 5 mile stretch! WTF!!! __________________ 2009 Ford Fusion SE 2006 Elise 2000 Honda CRV 1992 Dodge Stealth 1990 Kawasaki Vulcan Motorcycle 1953 Packard Clipper & 1940 Packard 110 Sedan

12-18-2008, 10:42 PM	#4 (permalink)
25psi_Elise_Killer Drunk on alcohol Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 3,130	plenty of articles about arizona speed cameras here TheNewspaper.Com: Front Page just type "arizona" in the search box __________________ '06 Evo IX Stage 1E Tuned by Road Race Engineering(Stock:turbo,intake,internals,ECU) Walbro 255lph fuel pump,RC Engineering1000cc Injectors, AVO exhaust,RRE dyno tune flash, Dejon Tool boost controller (325whp @ 22PSI Costco 91 octane, 353whp @ 25psi on 100 octane, 383whp @30psi on E85) , Zeitronix wideband,Zeitronix Ethanol Content Analyzer, Defi BF gauges, Stoptech rotors, SS brakelines,Graphic/Interior Design,Brand Identities,Invitations www.nomadic-nomads.com

12-19-2008, 06:06 AM	#5 (permalink)
fzust 2009 XP National Champion Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 1,537	Yeah, now we're turning into the next nanny-state. Its all about revenue. This Austrailian company makes these things, installs and monitors them for free and basically sends the state a check. __________________ 2008,2009 X Prepared Solo National Champion

12-19-2008, 06:52 AM	#6 (permalink)
swaq posts++; Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Oregon -> Arizona Posts: 526	I hate them. Their only purpose is for revenue and it has been shown that it isn't making the roads safer. Often they are making the roads more dangerous because people panic brake when they see the camera. The Tucson radar van is going to be on Valencia (near the airport) for seven hours on Christmas Eve. I'm sure they have the safety of Christmas travelers in mind and aren't thinking at all about the revenue from increased traffic in that area... Good site that follows photo radar in Arizona: CameraFRAUD.com __________________ SwaqValley.com Checklist: Graduate (check), Marriage (check), Employment (check), House/Garage (check), Increase wealth (in progress), Lotus Elise or Rossion Q1?

12-19-2008, 07:41 AM	#8 (permalink)
Mr_Baker no more gnawing Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: both Minneapolis and St. Paul, MN Posts: 549 Images: 1	Yes, people brake heavily from 90, go thru the zone very carefully, then speed up again. Pretty funny. __________________ '05 Yellow, LSS, Touring

12-19-2008, 07:47 AM	#9 (permalink)
JCWORKS Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 49	Been doing alot of research on this! Most of you might already know this! I have found a simple way to protect yourself from photo radar tickets! Register you car to a LLC. Wish I could find the article that talks about this but I found it to be very interesting.. Anyone else read about that? --see if I can find that link to that article-- --found it- Phoenix Phoenix - Gotcha! - News - page 1 - Phoenix New Times

12-19-2008, 07:56 AM	#10 (permalink)
Andrikos Lulu ROX! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: RanchoSahuarita.com , AZ Posts: 3,724	They gotta make up for the budget shortfall somehow! __________________ My daily driver is an orange plastic toaster

12-19-2008, 09:16 AM	#12 (permalink)
Lancia Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,543	Yes, cameras replace cops because someone who will risk death at an intersection is sure to be stopped by a camera. I hear LA is replacing all cops with security systems and clerks. It is obvious and well documented that most people tagged at redlights are people doing safe "paper" crimes like being a quarter second through the light. It is also well known that a proper yellow time eliminates almost all "redlight running". Our accident rate has skyrocketed here due to panic by the cameras. I'm sure Operation Showboat will make you feel really good until someone really dangerous blasts through a light and takes you out. Only cameras, right? The truly dangerous drivers are only stopped by the presence of police.

12-19-2008, 12:46 PM	#13 (permalink)
Hotrod Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 56	I just got my first tic here in Az. today! Was 20 over (I know, bad) but was written up for 15 over (whew). The weird part is the cop chose to give me a tic that wouldn't affect my driving record or insurance. Never even heard of that! And I couldn't help but notice, when he sent me on my way, there was another cop that had someone else pulled over behind me!

12-19-2008, 01:25 PM	#15 (permalink)
BULLETTIME The Masterpiece Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 168	I just got flashed Wednesday on the 202 at Broadway in Mesa. Mobile photo radar unit. Thing is, I was doing like 60 at the time. I saw the warning signs and checked my speed. Just over 65, so I slowed down a tad, well before the camera was in sight. And it still flashed me. WTF?!! And it's not like I was speeding before I saw the warning signs either. We're talking maybe 68mph. Supposedly, those things aren't even programmed to go off unless you're doing 11 or more over the limit. I'm pretty pissed because I just did traffic school 2 weeks ago!! (I was pulled over by a real cop, and got a legit ticket) __________________ http://stores.lulu.com/efaison

12-19-2008, 02:26 PM	#17 (permalink)
Allan Gibbs Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Glendale, CA (formerly Gilbert, AZ) Posts: 5,399	When I got flashed, I was doing 83 (on my speedo which should be more like 81 in actual) in a 75mph zone. I heard the 11 mph over was the trigger point too which means I'd have to be doing 86mph. __________________ 2005 BRP Elise- SOLD 6/9/07 2006 MV Agusta F4S - SOLD 4/30/09 2008 Audi TT (MKII) 2009 Audi A4 2009 Ducati 1198

12-25-2008, 03:36 PM	#18 (permalink)
the1sen The Azteks are coming! Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: In The Ghetto... Ghetto of Phoenix AZ Posts: 1,566	People drive so erratically in AZ, it's nauseating. It's like watching the deaf, dumb, and blind carrying on through never never land... no turn signals, no consistent speeds, and heaven forbid you ask someone to keep a safe distance from your rear end - ESPECIALLY the pukes on their cell phones. Add in the cameras, and you have the beginnings of the police state. I don't plan on getting one as I drive like a bat out of hell from 0-speed limit and then cruise... I just can't afford a ticket and would rather buy new mods for my new Elise. As for the cops - well, I wouldn't want their job. Can you imagine being so low and untalented that you couldn't find a better job than to pull people over all day long? I've never met a cop that woke up in the morning and said, "Oh BOY!!! I can't WAIT to go pull people over and scoop up dead people off roadways today!! It's going to be a GREAT day!!" It's a bullsh1t job... full of guys I used to beat up and take lunch money from when I was a kid. funny how karma works. __________________ The difference between ordinary and extraordinary is that little extra. F The System - ChuforiaGraffix.com SweetDaddyDelicious(at)hotmail(dot)com

12-25-2008, 05:13 PM	#19 (permalink)
doma '05 SY #0038 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Belmont, CA Posts: 2,260 Images: 6	I recently got a ticket in AZ. Was driving over the limit. The officer gave me a ticket for 'Wasting Resources' which is a $35 ticket that carries no points or insurance hassle, etc. Was driving from Phx to Safford. A ticket for wasting gas... oh well, the fine and hassle sure could have been worse. __________________ Braille Battery - Micromirror - Alpine Head Unit & Speakers - HID Headlights - H&T Pad - Snorkel Delete - Non Dust Brake Pads - JL Stealthbox - JL Amps - Sirius Sat - Rudolph Antlers and Nose Kit Astronomy Picture of the Day

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