Elise-Exige Lighting Thread - LotusTalk

PsychoRallye · 02-16-2006, 07:52 PM

Who can fill in the blanks? I'm most interested for replacement with LEDs but just in general... did I miss this info in the service manual or owner's manual somewhere?

Also, do all LEDs require an inline resistor? For example, the ones made by superbrightleds.com -- do they all require one of those load resistors for every bulb? How about the PIAA Tera or Raybrig offerings?

Front parking light: W5W, 5W, aka 194/168 type
Front High Beam: H7, 55W
Front Low Beam: H1, 55W
Driving Lamps (opt): H3, 55W, aka?
Front turn signal: PY21W, 21W, aka?
Side marker: W5W, 5W, aka 194/168 type
Interior compartment light: W5W, 5W, aka 194/168 type
Start button light: ?
Headlamp button backlight: ?
Other Dash Lights (?): ?
Reverse: H21, 21W, aka 1156 type
License Plate: C5W, 5W, aka ?
Rear Brake Lights: P21/4w, 4/21W, aka?
Center Brake Light: 16 LED array, 2.5W

Plus any I forgot?
Thanks

Arno · 02-16-2006, 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PsychoRallye

Front parking light: W5W, 5W, aka 194/168 type, Lotus serv manual calls it T4W ?

Yup. It's a W5W.

One of these:

Quote:

Front High Beam: H1, 55W, aka?
Front Low Beam: H7, 55W, aka?

Other way around.

Low/dipped beam: H1

High beam: H7

Not sure what you mean by 'aka'? H1 or H7 is the bulb type. No other desgination as far as I know.

AFAIK only H4 (not used on the S2 Elise) has an USA-'counterpart' in the HB2/9003 type.

Quote:

Rear Brake Lights: P21/4w, 4/21W, is that right? Is that really a lamp type?

Yes. Dual-filament bulb. You could probably also use a P5/21W if they use the same bajonet pin locations.

This is the type:

Bye, Arno.

Dave · 02-16-2006, 11:16 PM

Here's some more info.

PsychoRallye · 02-17-2006, 11:42 AM

Arno-
Got it, updating my post from above, figure we can have it as a reference. The aka would indicate that it might have a number designation too, but you are saying it does not... no problemo.

Dave-
Saw that post, but it's light on the tech details..

Thanks guys.

Any ideas on the bulbs in dash or behind the buttons (start, headlamps, etc).

Cheers

PsychoRallye · 03-30-2006, 08:33 PM

In case anyone cares...

Front parking light: W5W, 5W, aka 194/168 type
Front High Beam: H7, 55W
Front Low Beam: H1, 55W
Driving Lamps (opt): H3, 55W, aka?
Front turn signal: PY21W, 21W, aka 1156
Side marker: W5W, 5W, aka 194/168 type
Interior compartment light: W5W, 5W, aka 194/168 type
Start button light: looks like it is built in and non-replaceable
Headlamp button backlight: looks like it is built in and non-replaceable
Other Dash Lights (?): None except EL in instrument cluster.
Reverse: H21, 21W (smaller diameter bayonet base than 1156 or 1157)
License Plate: C5W, 5W, aka ?
Rear Brake Lights: P21/4w, 4/21W aka 1157
Center Brake Light: 16 LED array, 2.5W

PsychoRallye · 03-30-2006, 08:37 PM

Does anybody know if there is a place that sells the type of bulb used for reverse, in an LED variant? superbrightleds.com only has 1156/1157 and festoon type bulbs, this is like the 1156 but smaller... I also checked PIAA japan to no avail... ideas? Newman?

Buz · 02-08-2007, 07:30 AM

The reverse bulb is a BA9s mini bayonet bulb. I got a 1 watt led replacement on ebay. It is about as bright as the stock bulb but draws much less current and no heat.

maagjr · 02-09-2007, 11:14 AM

To clarify, the 06 LEd reverse lights also use a similar 194/168 bulb.

I tried an 12LED instead of the regulat bulb but it wasnt as bright so I used them on the front and know looks great.

Also the license plate lights which most people forget are feston type 39x10mm

Randy Chase · 03-29-2007, 11:17 AM

This thread will serve as a place to easily find the following information-

Bulb replacement numbers
Bulb upgrades
HID upgrades
How to replace-install
Aiming
Hints

Feel free to add stuff

And as always, check the helpful Uber Thread-
http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25131

And Michael Sand's helpful site-
www.sandsmuseum.com

Randy Chase · 03-29-2007, 11:19 AM

Link to Osram thread-
http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7549

Low beams are H1
High beams are H7

You can order Osram Silverstars as a brighter than stock option. Cheaper and simpler than HID, but a much smaller jump in brightness.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mxynidis

Order a pair of the 65W Osram Ultra High Output lamps. They are extremely-white, 2100 lumen H9 burners on H7 bases

Randy Chase · 03-29-2007, 11:19 AM

The first option is obvious, one could hand build their own system. I do recommend buying a system that is built for the Elise/Exige so that it is plug and play. No cutting of the stock harness is a good thing.

HID stands for High Intensity Discharge, a type or arcing lamp. They require a ballast to maintain the arc. HIDs will pull a surge of current to strike the arc. HIDs will put out more light, and a cleaner or brighter light. Often noted is a bluish tint to the light, which depends on the color temp of the bulb. HIDs can be more bothersome to other motorists, so extra care in aiming is warranted. HID bulbs should last longer than standard Halogen bulbs. It is not recommended though to use HIDs for a bulb that is only lit for a short time as they take time to get up to full brightness. Flashing HID brights might not work as well.

The typical HID kit only upgrades the standard (non-bright) headlights. It is recommended that you look into an upgraded bulb for your brights and driving lights.

There are two main suppliers to the Elise-Exige market for HID kits. Elisetalk member Ekological has been supplying a custom kit for a while, and he supplies it with different color temp levels. Sector111 has a kit for sale. I will not try to go into the differences between the kits, that will be up to you to investigate.

Link to Ekologikals' kit $415 for 2005/2006 cars using Philips Apexcone 50watt burners. $340 for 2007 cars using Philips Apexcone 50watt H7 burners. Lumens are per the selected color temps (3000k to 8000k). Ballast is 50 watts. Lifetime warranty on all parts including the bulbs.

Link to Sector 111 kit $425.00 using Philip's bulbs that put out 3,200 lumens. Ballast is 35 watts. I believe this is a 3000k color temp kit.

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02-16-2006, 07:52 PM	#1 (permalink)
PsychoRallye 05 Mag Blue LSS/HT Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Wherever you go, there you are. Posts: 797	Bulb types in the car Who can fill in the blanks? I'm most interested for replacement with LEDs but just in general... did I miss this info in the service manual or owner's manual somewhere? Also, do all LEDs require an inline resistor? For example, the ones made by superbrightleds.com -- do they all require one of those load resistors for every bulb? How about the PIAA Tera or Raybrig offerings? Front parking light: W5W, 5W, aka 194/168 type Front High Beam: H7, 55W Front Low Beam: H1, 55W Driving Lamps (opt): H3, 55W, aka? Front turn signal: PY21W, 21W, aka? Side marker: W5W, 5W, aka 194/168 type Interior compartment light: W5W, 5W, aka 194/168 type Start button light: ? Headlamp button backlight: ? Other Dash Lights (?): ? Reverse: H21, 21W, aka 1156 type License Plate: C5W, 5W, aka ? Rear Brake Lights: P21/4w, 4/21W, aka? Center Brake Light: 16 LED array, 2.5W Plus any I forgot? Thanks Last edited by PsychoRallye : 02-17-2006 at 11:43 AM.

02-16-2006, 11:16 PM	#3 (permalink)
Dave Mods are good for you Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,945	Here's some more info. __________________ 2008 Solar S240 Exige 2005 Saffron Elise - BOE TVS Supercharger 291WHP w/ EFI Engine Mgmt Last edited by Dave : 02-16-2006 at 11:19 PM.

03-30-2006, 08:33 PM	#5 (permalink)
PsychoRallye 05 Mag Blue LSS/HT Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Wherever you go, there you are. Posts: 797	Listing updated... In case anyone cares... Front parking light: W5W, 5W, aka 194/168 type Front High Beam: H7, 55W Front Low Beam: H1, 55W Driving Lamps (opt): H3, 55W, aka? Front turn signal: PY21W, 21W, aka 1156 Side marker: W5W, 5W, aka 194/168 type Interior compartment light: W5W, 5W, aka 194/168 type Start button light: looks like it is built in and non-replaceable Headlamp button backlight: looks like it is built in and non-replaceable Other Dash Lights (?): None except EL in instrument cluster. Reverse: H21, 21W (smaller diameter bayonet base than 1156 or 1157) License Plate: C5W, 5W, aka ? Rear Brake Lights: P21/4w, 4/21W aka 1157 Center Brake Light: 16 LED array, 2.5W

03-30-2006, 08:37 PM	#6 (permalink)
PsychoRallye 05 Mag Blue LSS/HT Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Wherever you go, there you are. Posts: 797	Now the question... Does anybody know if there is a place that sells the type of bulb used for reverse, in an LED variant? superbrightleds.com only has 1156/1157 and festoon type bulbs, this is like the 1156 but smaller... I also checked PIAA japan to no avail... ideas? Newman?

02-09-2007, 11:14 AM	#8 (permalink)
maagjr The Bike Racer Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: OC, CA Posts: 348	To clarify, the 06 LEd reverse lights also use a similar 194/168 bulb. I tried an 12LED instead of the regulat bulb but it wasnt as bright so I used them on the front and know looks great. Also the license plate lights which most people forget are feston type 39x10mm __________________ PLUG and PLAY HID lights for Elise and Exige: http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39926 05 Elise, SP, TP, HT, SS, ST2, DL, HID, CF Spoiler, Racing Battery (Weekend Toy) 05 Kawasaki ZX-6R (Weekend Toy) 06 MB C230 Sport (Commuting car) Two Trek Road Bikes and Two Cannondale Mountain Bikes Previous: 05 Honda S2000 (stock) 04 Mitsubishi Evolution 8 (400 HP) 03 Mazda P5 (stock) More:http://www.myspace.com/marcothebikeracer

02-17-2006, 11:42 AM	#4 (permalink)
PsychoRallye 05 Mag Blue LSS/HT Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Wherever you go, there you are. Posts: 797	Arno- Got it, updating my post from above, figure we can have it as a reference. The aka would indicate that it might have a number designation too, but you are saying it does not... no problemo. Dave- Saw that post, but it's light on the tech details.. Thanks guys. Any ideas on the bulbs in dash or behind the buttons (start, headlamps, etc). Cheers

02-08-2007, 07:30 AM	#7 (permalink)
Buz Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,920	The reverse bulb is a BA9s mini bayonet bulb. I got a 1 watt led replacement on ebay. It is about as bright as the stock bulb but draws much less current and no heat.

03-29-2007, 11:17 AM	#9 (permalink)
Randy Chase Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: San Diego and where ever the roads lead Posts: 28,172 Images: 761	Elise-Exige Lighting Thread This thread will serve as a place to easily find the following information- Bulb replacement numbers Bulb upgrades HID upgrades How to replace-install Aiming Hints Feel free to add stuff And as always, check the helpful Uber Thread- http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25131 And Michael Sand's helpful site- www.sandsmuseum.com __________________ [b]* V E R I T A S * A E Q U I T A S [/b] We have been feeling the buzz since 2002 2006 Noble M400. Getrag tranny, Quaiffe LSD, Hinged clams. Duratec dual turbo V6. Hoosier 315-18 tires. 2350 pounds. Over 500hp. Track weapon. 2009 Rossion Q1. [color=orange]Monaco Orange. [/color]Wing. Black leather/Alcantara with orange stitching. The street car. In build: 2009 Toniq R (300whp? 1100 pounds?). [color=orange]Chrome Orange. [/color] Lexus GX-470 tow vehicle. [color=blue]“Busy at times off the forum and scary* actually off the Internets. So I may not see your pm or emails for a while"[/color]

03-29-2007, 11:19 AM	#11 (permalink)
Randy Chase Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: San Diego and where ever the roads lead Posts: 28,172 Images: 761	HID Options The first option is obvious, one could hand build their own system. I do recommend buying a system that is built for the Elise/Exige so that it is plug and play. No cutting of the stock harness is a good thing. HID stands for High Intensity Discharge, a type or arcing lamp. They require a ballast to maintain the arc. HIDs will pull a surge of current to strike the arc. HIDs will put out more light, and a cleaner or brighter light. Often noted is a bluish tint to the light, which depends on the color temp of the bulb. HIDs can be more bothersome to other motorists, so extra care in aiming is warranted. HID bulbs should last longer than standard Halogen bulbs. It is not recommended though to use HIDs for a bulb that is only lit for a short time as they take time to get up to full brightness. Flashing HID brights might not work as well. The typical HID kit only upgrades the standard (non-bright) headlights. It is recommended that you look into an upgraded bulb for your brights and driving lights. There are two main suppliers to the Elise-Exige market for HID kits. Elisetalk member Ekological has been supplying a custom kit for a while, and he supplies it with different color temp levels. Sector111 has a kit for sale. I will not try to go into the differences between the kits, that will be up to you to investigate. Link to Ekologikals' kit $415 for 2005/2006 cars using Philips Apexcone 50watt burners. $340 for 2007 cars using Philips Apexcone 50watt H7 burners. Lumens are per the selected color temps (3000k to 8000k). Ballast is 50 watts. Lifetime warranty on all parts including the bulbs. Link to Sector 111 kit $425.00 using Philip's bulbs that put out 3,200 lumens. Ballast is 35 watts. I believe this is a 3000k color temp kit. __________________ [b]* V E R I T A S * A E Q U I T A S [/b] We have been feeling the buzz since 2002 2006 Noble M400. Getrag tranny, Quaiffe LSD, Hinged clams. Duratec dual turbo V6. Hoosier 315-18 tires. 2350 pounds. Over 500hp. Track weapon. 2009 Rossion Q1. [color=orange]Monaco Orange. [/color]Wing. Black leather/Alcantara with orange stitching. The street car. In build: 2009 Toniq R (300whp? 1100 pounds?). [color=orange]Chrome Orange. [/color] Lexus GX-470 tow vehicle. [color=blue]“Busy at times off the forum and scary* actually off the Internets. So I may not see your pm or emails for a while"[/color]

03-29-2007, 11:20 AM	#12 (permalink)
Randy Chase Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: San Diego and where ever the roads lead Posts: 28,172 Images: 761	Driving light upgrade options tbd __________________ [b]* V E R I T A S * A E Q U I T A S [/b] We have been feeling the buzz since 2002 2006 Noble M400. Getrag tranny, Quaiffe LSD, Hinged clams. Duratec dual turbo V6. Hoosier 315-18 tires. 2350 pounds. Over 500hp. Track weapon. 2009 Rossion Q1. [color=orange]Monaco Orange. [/color]Wing. Black leather/Alcantara with orange stitching. The street car. In build: 2009 Toniq R (300whp? 1100 pounds?). [color=orange]Chrome Orange. [/color] Lexus GX-470 tow vehicle. [color=blue]“Busy at times off the forum and scary* actually off the Internets. So I may not see your pm or emails for a while"[/color]

03-29-2007, 11:20 AM	#13 (permalink)
Randy Chase Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: San Diego and where ever the roads lead Posts: 28,172 Images: 761	Aiming the headlights tbd __________________ [b]* V E R I T A S * A E Q U I T A S [/b] We have been feeling the buzz since 2002 2006 Noble M400. Getrag tranny, Quaiffe LSD, Hinged clams. Duratec dual turbo V6. Hoosier 315-18 tires. 2350 pounds. Over 500hp. Track weapon. 2009 Rossion Q1. [color=orange]Monaco Orange. [/color]Wing. Black leather/Alcantara with orange stitching. The street car. In build: 2009 Toniq R (300whp? 1100 pounds?). [color=orange]Chrome Orange. [/color] Lexus GX-470 tow vehicle. [color=blue]“Busy at times off the forum and scary* actually off the Internets. So I may not see your pm or emails for a while"[/color]

03-29-2007, 11:21 AM	#14 (permalink)
Randy Chase Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: San Diego and where ever the roads lead Posts: 28,172 Images: 761	Removing and replacing the front turn signals tbd __________________ [b]* V E R I T A S * A E Q U I T A S [/b] We have been feeling the buzz since 2002 2006 Noble M400. Getrag tranny, Quaiffe LSD, Hinged clams. Duratec dual turbo V6. Hoosier 315-18 tires. 2350 pounds. Over 500hp. Track weapon. 2009 Rossion Q1. [color=orange]Monaco Orange. [/color]Wing. Black leather/Alcantara with orange stitching. The street car. In build: 2009 Toniq R (300whp? 1100 pounds?). [color=orange]Chrome Orange. [/color] Lexus GX-470 tow vehicle. [color=blue]“Busy at times off the forum and scary* actually off the Internets. So I may not see your pm or emails for a while"[/color]

03-29-2007, 11:21 AM	#15 (permalink)
Randy Chase Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: San Diego and where ever the roads lead Posts: 28,172 Images: 761	Headlights, removing and replacing tbd __________________ [b]* V E R I T A S * A E Q U I T A S [/b] We have been feeling the buzz since 2002 2006 Noble M400. Getrag tranny, Quaiffe LSD, Hinged clams. Duratec dual turbo V6. Hoosier 315-18 tires. 2350 pounds. Over 500hp. Track weapon. 2009 Rossion Q1. [color=orange]Monaco Orange. [/color]Wing. Black leather/Alcantara with orange stitching. The street car. In build: 2009 Toniq R (300whp? 1100 pounds?). [color=orange]Chrome Orange. [/color] Lexus GX-470 tow vehicle. [color=blue]“Busy at times off the forum and scary* actually off the Internets. So I may not see your pm or emails for a while"[/color]

03-29-2007, 11:21 AM	#16 (permalink)
Randy Chase Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: San Diego and where ever the roads lead Posts: 28,172 Images: 761	Rear tail lights tbd __________________ [b]* V E R I T A S * A E Q U I T A S [/b] We have been feeling the buzz since 2002 2006 Noble M400. Getrag tranny, Quaiffe LSD, Hinged clams. Duratec dual turbo V6. Hoosier 315-18 tires. 2350 pounds. Over 500hp. Track weapon. 2009 Rossion Q1. [color=orange]Monaco Orange. [/color]Wing. Black leather/Alcantara with orange stitching. The street car. In build: 2009 Toniq R (300whp? 1100 pounds?). [color=orange]Chrome Orange. [/color] Lexus GX-470 tow vehicle. [color=blue]“Busy at times off the forum and scary* actually off the Internets. So I may not see your pm or emails for a while"[/color]

03-29-2007, 11:21 AM	#17 (permalink)
Randy Chase Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: San Diego and where ever the roads lead Posts: 28,172 Images: 761	Interior lighting tbd __________________ [b]* V E R I T A S * A E Q U I T A S [/b] We have been feeling the buzz since 2002 2006 Noble M400. Getrag tranny, Quaiffe LSD, Hinged clams. Duratec dual turbo V6. Hoosier 315-18 tires. 2350 pounds. Over 500hp. Track weapon. 2009 Rossion Q1. [color=orange]Monaco Orange. [/color]Wing. Black leather/Alcantara with orange stitching. The street car. In build: 2009 Toniq R (300whp? 1100 pounds?). [color=orange]Chrome Orange. [/color] Lexus GX-470 tow vehicle. [color=blue]“Busy at times off the forum and scary* actually off the Internets. So I may not see your pm or emails for a while"[/color]

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03-29-2007, 11:22 AM	#18 (permalink)
Randy Chase Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: San Diego and where ever the roads lead Posts: 28,172 Images: 761	Side markers, other lights tbd __________________ [b]* V E R I T A S * A E Q U I T A S [/b] We have been feeling the buzz since 2002 2006 Noble M400. Getrag tranny, Quaiffe LSD, Hinged clams. Duratec dual turbo V6. Hoosier 315-18 tires. 2350 pounds. Over 500hp. Track weapon. 2009 Rossion Q1. [color=orange]Monaco Orange. [/color]Wing. Black leather/Alcantara with orange stitching. The street car. In build: 2009 Toniq R (300whp? 1100 pounds?). [color=orange]Chrome Orange. [/color] Lexus GX-470 tow vehicle. [color=blue]“Busy at times off the forum and scary* actually off the Internets. So I may not see your pm or emails for a while"[/color]