Fog light circut added - Page 2 - LotusTalk

TimMullen · 07-16-2008, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Mackey

FTim Mullen and I have argued about this. I am starting to think that cars with driving lights from the factory have momentary switches and perhaps the add-ons have on-off switches. Maybe?

Why would Lotus have different versions? The "add-on" driving lights are a factory kit - it plugs into the existing harnesses, and uses the existing circuits.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Mackey

See Tim Mullen's comments here - WTB: original headlight or fog light switch

There's another post of his where he is just as certain, with more details.

Not only am I sure, I've tested it with my multi-meter/continuity tester. The factory fog light switch is a "click on", "click off" switch - it is not momentary.

The driving light switch "remembers" it's setting between ignition on/off/on cycles, unlike others.

I guess I'm going to have to take photos of it connected up to the multi-meter to show...

Chris Mackey · 07-16-2008, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TimMullen

Why would Lotus have different versions? The "add-on" driving lights are a factory kit - it plugs into the existing harnesses, and uses the existing circuits.

Not only am I sure, I've tested it with my multi-meter/continuity tester. The factory fog light switch is a "click on", "click off" switch - it is not momentary.

The driving light switch "remembers" it's setting between ignition on/off/on cycles, unlike others.

I guess I'm going to have to take photos of it connected up to the multi-meter to show...

Maybe you got the Touring Fog Lights?

Mr.C · 07-16-2008, 04:11 PM

Yesterday when I used the parking light switch (the uppermost switch in the panel) and plugged it into the for light harness I got a steady 12V on that pin on the connector in the trunk.
So that switch must then be identical with the fog light switch (momentary)?

Mr.C · 07-16-2008, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Mackey

Maybe you got the Touring Fog Lights?

I thought they only make wheels and suspensions in that style

necro · 07-16-2008, 04:18 PM

Ok - I'll take pictures in 3h!

Reading all your posts I'm sure that I was wrong about the on/off switch!

RoadDad · 07-16-2008, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Mackey

It's blue, eh?

Sell it to me!

Sorry. No.

TimMullen · 07-16-2008, 05:16 PM

Okay, I can't find and pins small enough to stick into the switch connector and connect my Fluke to it, but here are two photos (the second one isn't completely in focus). The first photo is the button "sticking out" in the off position. The second photo is the button after it has been pushed, and is in the on position ("sticking in"). The momentary switches don't "stick in".

Chris Mackey · 07-16-2008, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TimMullen

Okay, I can't find and pins small enough to stick into the switch connector and connect my Fluke to it, but here are two photos (the second one isn't completely in focus). The first photo is the button "sticking out" in the off position. The second photo is the button after it has been pushed, and is in the on position ("sticking in"). The momentary switches don't "stick in".

Good enough. What color is the LED?

Mr.C · 07-16-2008, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TimMullen

Okay, I can't find and pins small enough to stick into the switch connector and connect my Fluke to it, but here are two photos (the second one isn't completely in focus). The first photo is the button "sticking out" in the off position. The second photo is the button after it has been pushed, and is in the on position ("sticking in"). The momentary switches don't "stick in".

I can't help myself but to ask the question:
How do you know all those details about Lotus?
And are you taking your car apart to take pictures every time someone asks a question? Or do you have all that stuff (like the switches) just laying around in your garage?
Maybe this was discussed before and I missed it

Anyways, your information and dedication to answer any question is highly appreciated

necro · 07-16-2008, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.C

How do you know all those details about Lotus?

Tim Mullen knows a *tremendous* amount about Lotus cars.

He is always willing to help and give advice

...... and a

for touring wheels.

Anyway.... I just came back from the Lotus.

I do have an US 2007 Exige S (May 2007) build date!
(no fog lights)

I have measured all the buttons I could lay my hands on
and they ALL are momentary - much to my surprise

. I have tested it with a multimeter. Also, all feel the same way when depressed.

They all have THREE wires coming from the switch to the connector - except for the traction control one - that has FOUR.

The connector has SEVEN slots for pins. The one from the button does NOT have any pins, so that would make it female.

Here is the list - the names are mostly from the labels attached to the harness:

The traction control button (amber LED) has a four wires: green, yellow ( adjacent pins) and black, blue. The Black/Blue is the switch.
AC: Color: Blue Wires Red(LED) Blk/Green and blue (the switch; I do not know what is ground for the LED)
Re-Circulation: Color: Blue Wires Red(LED) Blk/Green and blue (the switch; I do not know what is ground for the LED)
Side Lamp (TOP button): Color: Green Wires: Red(LED) Blk/Green and blue (the switch; I do not know what is ground for the LED)
Head Lamp (MIDDLE button): Color: Green Wires: Red(LED) Blk/Green and blue (the switch; I do not know what is ground for the LED)
Rear Fog Lamp (BOTTOM button): Color: Amber Wires: Yellow/Black, Blue Red. I think Yellow/Blue is the switch

You can use an AC or recirc button as the side lamp or the head lamp switch! I have tried this out!

I think I tried to use the FOG LIGHT switch as a side or head lamp to NO AVAIL.

Also there is ONE UNUSED connector labeld "drive lamp"! Tim, do you know anything about that?

I think the switch that plugs into it is the on/off on.

Also the fog light does NOT seem to trigger the relay. The Head lamp does.

The trip reset button does NOT have a LED and I did not look at it!

I'll update my original post and put up some pictures I took (with my cell phone - my GF has my camera right now)

BTW apologies for my typos. I just can't type. Grrrrr

necro · 07-16-2008, 08:28 PM

Prices from lotusgarage.com

AC or re-circ button (blue): $80.02

Side/Head lamp (green): $61.64

Traction control (amber): $75.74
Panel light dimmer/trip reset: $70.20

Other prices are not listed.

necro · 07-16-2008, 08:36 PM

the first picture is the back of the bezel; the secon one is the front, lit. Cell phone cameras are just not good. Or it's me.

TimMullen · 07-17-2008, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.C

How do you know all those details about Lotus?
And are you taking your car apart to take pictures every time someone asks a question? Or do you have all that stuff (like the switches) just laying around in your garage?

Well, I am an engineer...

Actually in this case, I happen to have the switch laying around. My car was one of the early ones that was not pre-wired for the driving light switch, so in my car, I did not use the switch or panel that came with the driving light kit. (No, they are not for sale, they are reserved for possible future projects - but there may be other people with early cars that have the spare parts.)

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Originally Posted by necro

Also there is ONE UNUSED connector labeld "drive lamp"! Tim, do you know anything about that?

I think the switch that plugs into it is the on/off on.

That is probably for the driving lights - again, my car was not wired for that, so I didn't even have to take the panel off (and I wouldn't have had the connector there if I did). Later cars have a connector behind the light switch panel that the driving light switch plugs into - probably the one that you discovered.

TimMullen · 07-17-2008, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Mackey

Good enough. What color is the LED?

I don't know. It's "clear" without power applied - apparently it's blue when used properly: Driving Lights Don't Work - Help Please

Chris Mackey · 07-17-2008, 10:22 AM

Ack. I wish someone would sell me that switch

necro · 07-17-2008, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Mackey

Ack. I wish someone would sell me that switch

I'l sell it to you for $10. Unfortunately the Shipping & Handling will be $256.79 before taxes.

Chris Mackey · 07-17-2008, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by necro

I'l sell it to you for $10. Unfortunately the Shipping & Handling will be $256.79 before taxes.

Hell, I might come pick it up! I've never been to LA...

necro · 07-17-2008, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Mackey

Hell, I might come pick it up! I've never been to LA...

Oh then it's just the Handling & Tax

But if you ever are in LA - PM me!

E.D. · 02-24-2009, 03:07 PM

Hopefully somebody can help me solve this riddle...
I asked Lotusgarage which parts I need to add rear fog lights:
1. Switch, rear fog lamp, yellow tell-tale A117M0056F
2. Decal rear fog lamp graphic A117M0046F
3. Switch panel (3 switch) A121U0091F
4. The rear lamps

I have a 2006 Elise with the LEDs. I thought the fog lights are already in the LED rear lights, only the US Wiring does not activate the fog lights.
If that's the case, I won't need to buy the rear lamps themselves which by far are the most expensive parts.
Can anybody confirm that the fog lights are already in the 2006 LED rear lights so I'll only order items 1-3.

thanks!

E.D. · 03-02-2009, 08:40 AM

Has anybody completed this alternative solution or know if this is possible:
1. Buy the switch etc.
2. Take out one of the white reverse lights (in the inner rear lights) because one s/b enough.
3. Then replace the removed reverse light with a rear fog light (I think EU Elise also have the fog light I one of the inner lights, I'll try to look it up).
4. Connect this rear fog light with the switch (might need a connector? Ballast?)
Voila, working rear fog light.
Any thoughts?

07-16-2008, 04:11 PM	#23 (permalink)
Mr.C German Reimport Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Stuttgart, Germany Posts: 622	Yesterday when I used the parking light switch (the uppermost switch in the panel) and plugged it into the for light harness I got a steady 12V on that pin on the connector in the trunk. So that switch must then be identical with the fog light switch (momentary)? __________________ If I die, my biggest fear is that my wife sells all my toys for the price I told her I bought them for...

07-16-2008, 04:18 PM	#25 (permalink)
necro <....> Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: City of Los Angeles, CA Posts: 518 Images: 1	Ok - I'll take pictures in 3h! Reading all your posts I'm sure that I was wrong about the on/off switch! __________________ 07 SY ExigeS

07-16-2008, 05:16 PM	#27 (permalink)
TimMullen Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Chantilly, VA Posts: 11,386 Images: 19	Okay, I can't find and pins small enough to stick into the switch connector and connect my Fluke to it, but here are two photos (the second one isn't completely in focus). The first photo is the button "sticking out" in the off position. The second photo is the button after it has been pushed, and is in the on position ("sticking in"). The momentary switches don't "stick in". Attached Images __________________ Tim Mullen --- There is no such thing as Touring suspension or Touring wheels. I love being married. It's so great to find that one person that you want to annoy for the rest of your life. - Rita Rudner Chantilly, VA http://members.cox.net/elans4/ 05 Lotus Elise - Chrome Orange - No Touring - No LSS - No Hardtop - Lotus Driving Lights - Lotus "Chin Guards" - plain and simple. 94 Miata R Package - Black 72 Lotus Elan Sprint - Colorado Orange/Cirrus White

07-16-2008, 08:28 PM	#31 (permalink)
necro <....> Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: City of Los Angeles, CA Posts: 518 Images: 1	Prices from lotusgarage.com AC or re-circ button (blue): $80.02 Side/Head lamp (green): $61.64 Traction control (amber): $75.74 Panel light dimmer/trip reset: $70.20 Other prices are not listed. __________________ 07 SY ExigeS

07-16-2008, 08:36 PM	#32 (permalink)
necro <....> Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: City of Los Angeles, CA Posts: 518 Images: 1	Pictures the first picture is the back of the bezel; the secon one is the front, lit. Cell phone cameras are just not good. Or it's me. Attached Images __________________ 07 SY ExigeS

07-17-2008, 10:22 AM	#35 (permalink)
Chris Mackey Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 2,587	Ack. I wish someone would sell me that switch __________________ 2006 Elise, Ardent Red, Black Pack, LSS wheels, shocks and springs. ChuforiaGraffix.com SDD Lives On! SweetDaddyDelicious(at)hotmail(dot)com

02-24-2009, 03:07 PM	#39 (permalink)
E.D. Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 715	Hopefully somebody can help me solve this riddle... I asked Lotusgarage which parts I need to add rear fog lights: 1. Switch, rear fog lamp, yellow tell-tale A117M0056F 2. Decal rear fog lamp graphic A117M0046F 3. Switch panel (3 switch) A121U0091F 4. The rear lamps I have a 2006 Elise with the LEDs. I thought the fog lights are already in the LED rear lights, only the US Wiring does not activate the fog lights. If that's the case, I won't need to buy the rear lamps themselves which by far are the most expensive parts. Can anybody confirm that the fog lights are already in the 2006 LED rear lights so I'll only order items 1-3. thanks! __________________ Enrico '06 Laser Blue/Magnolia Lotus Elise * BOE TVS SC * EFI * Lots of other things '07 Graphite Grey/Tan BMW 335i w/JB3 tune, Helix IC and BMS DCI

03-02-2009, 08:40 AM	#40 (permalink)
E.D. Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 715	Has anybody completed this alternative solution or know if this is possible: 1. Buy the switch etc. 2. Take out one of the white reverse lights (in the inner rear lights) because one s/b enough. 3. Then replace the removed reverse light with a rear fog light (I think EU Elise also have the fog light I one of the inner lights, I'll try to look it up). 4. Connect this rear fog light with the switch (might need a connector? Ballast?) Voila, working rear fog light. Any thoughts? __________________ Enrico '06 Laser Blue/Magnolia Lotus Elise * BOE TVS SC * EFI * Lots of other things '07 Graphite Grey/Tan BMW 335i w/JB3 tune, Helix IC and BMS DCI

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