Motor Trend's Radar Detector/Jammer Review

[Shark]

http://motortrend.com/features/cons...uide/index.html

[Shark]

can you explain why you would have moved this out of the forum that designates magazine articles and reviews and then move it into the electrical forum? i took the time to find the right forum to post it into in the first place and then it gets moved somewhere else anyhow, why? should i even bother looking for the right forum in the future or should i just post anywhere and you can move it to whatever forum you deem appropriate? was it such a bother to have this in the Articles & Reviews forum? sorry, but i'm not your child.

[Randy Chase]

I moved it. I *really* don't get why people take it personally when I move a thread. You chose a forum. I disagreed with your choice. You can disagree with my disagreement, but it does not make me a parent or you a child. I don't have that kind of power.

IMO, perhaps the forum titles were not clear enough. My intent on articles and reviews were those specifically for the Elise. Otherwise anyone that wants to post about an article that is in a magazine, could use that forum, regardless of any relationship to Lotus cars.. and then it would be less useful, in my opinion. As an extreme example, someone could post the J-Lo article in People magazine there. I would move it.

I actually debated if moving it here, or to Other would make more sense. And I am still not certain. This is supposed to be electrical in regards to the Elise... but in the end, I thought there is enough interest and discussion about radar detectors, that it does make sense to put it here. It could be useful to someone in the future doing a search on detectors. Maybe less so now that this discussion is taking place.

I hope that makes sense.

By the way.. please read here-
http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14620

Another note is that I moved probably something like 200+ threads today. Mainly from the general forums into more specific forums. I would like to take this opportunity to present my thoughts on this, because sometimes I think people take it personal when a thread is moved.

A forum like this has two sides to it. On one hand, there is this active discussion taking place. Newer threads are up at the top, or what you see when you click on the NEW THREADS links. The other side, one more valuable, is the cataloging of data. This is what provides the main resource of the forum for most of the users, including all those not even registered. And the ability to see and get the information comes down to people using SEARCH, and to reviewing the proper forums.

I don't personally get too worried when someone posts an engine question in the General Forum. I know some forums are quick to move the thread and probably tell the poster that they messed up. I really don't care that much, but in the larger view, having the thread in the General forum means that it is less helpful for future researchers. So I will move it. And I tend to move these without "redirects" because I think all the redirects look messy. Sometimes, if it makes sense to me, I will leave a redirect, but I will also eventually get rid of it.

So don't take it personal if a thread is moved. It also means I think it has value for the future to be in the right place.

Again, I (or the mods) will decide on proper place. If you disagree, feel free to let me know. But in the end, I will make that call.

[Shark]

comparing an article on radar detectors that has everything to do with the Elise to an article about J Lo is ridiculous. if you want to say you decide where things will be posted that is your perogative. i guess i was wrong about this board and it is better to sit on the sidelines than it is to participate. the fact that you're sitting around debating where to move people's posts is a little ridiculous don't you think, especially since it was in a forum that reads "Articles & Reviews" and that is exactly what it is: an article of a review on radar detectors by Motor Trend. i was simply passing on what i considered valuable information to other members, but if you want to control my posts how you see fit then i simply won't contribute. you'll lose a valuable member in my opinion, but apparently on this board you decide what opinions and members are valuable.

[NMRJock]

Step back and calm down a bit Shark. Randy said that his intent for the articles and reviews section was articles and reviews concerning the Elise. Personally, I think "Other" would have been more appropriate, but it isn't my decision, it's Randy's.
We're very fortunate that he hosts and runs this forum for us. There's no reason to take the housekeeping he does (and I'm sure he has to do a whole lot more of that than he cares to think about) personally.

[Randy Chase]

One point to help clarify.

The forum is divided into major categories. If you look at the main index, you can see the entire first section is under a heading that states "Lotus Elise Discussion." Most of the subforums in this category don't explicitly state that they are Elise related, but they don't need to, because they are in the "Lotus Elise Discussion" section.

By that token, one could think that the "Maintenance and Repairs" forum is the right place to put a post about the repair on a VW.... or the Powertrain forum is the right place to discuss the best engine for a motorcycle.... etc.

[Tyger]

Originally Posted by Shark

comparing an article on radar detectors that has everything to do with the Elise to an article about J Lo is ridiculous. if you want to say you decide where things will be posted that is your perogative. i guess i was wrong about this board and it is better to sit on the sidelines than it is to participate. the fact that you're sitting around debating where to move people's posts is a little ridiculous don't you think, especially since it was in a forum that reads "Articles & Reviews" and that is exactly what it is: an article of a review on radar detectors by Motor Trend. i was simply passing on what i considered valuable information to other members, but if you want to control my posts how you see fit then i simply won't contribute. you'll lose a valuable member in my opinion, but apparently on this board you decide what opinions and members are valuable.

Dude. Chill!

[Shark]

I guess you have to ask yourself the question whether it is better to piss off potentially good members (by the way i have used www.sector111.com to buy something because of this site) and people who come here to talk about and learn about the elise or to have a radar detector article from this month's motor trend magazine in the "wrong" section listed as articles & reviews. who cares where the post is? it isn't a J Lo article in Articles & Reviews. maybe you don't use a radar detector but a lot of people do and apparently within a few hours a lot of people looked at the article. if someone wants to look past it cause they don't think it's an exact match for a particular forum then let them look over it - big deal! based on your statement you are upsetting more people than it's worth. you say you don't understand why people take things personally. hello, i'm trying to participate and you are trying to control how i participate on an issue that doesn't need controlling. what pisses me off is that i was going to post it in the general elise area, since i think it has to do with an elise, and then i took the time to find a better forum for it, found it, and you moved it anyhow and tell me to deal with it. i'm obviously not the first that's been bothered by it so maybe you need to reconsider - or not.

[MattG]

Originally Posted by Shark

I guess you have to ask yourself the question whether it is better to piss off potentially good members (by the way i have used www.sector111.com to buy something because of this site) and people who come here to talk about and learn about the elise or to have a radar detector article from this month's motor trend magazine in the "wrong" section listed as articles & reviews. who cares where the post is?

If someone is coming here to "learn about the elise", won't they learn the most if the information is organized and easy to find?

[Tyger]

Originally Posted by Shark

I guess you have to ask yourself the question whether it is better to piss off potentially good members (by the way i have used www.sector111.com to buy something because of this site) and people who come here to talk about and learn about the elise or to have a radar detector article from this month's motor trend magazine in the "wrong" section listed as articles & reviews. who cares where the post is? it isn't a J Lo article in Articles & Reviews. maybe you don't use a radar detector but a lot of people do and apparently within a few hours a lot of people looked at the article. if someone wants to look past it cause they don't think it's an exact match for a particular forum then let them look over it - big deal! based on your statement you are upsetting more people than it's worth. you say you don't understand why people take things personally. hello, i'm trying to participate and you are trying to control how i participate on an issue that doesn't need controlling. what pisses me off is that i was going to post it in the general elise area, since i think it has to do with an elise, and then i took the time to find a better forum for it, found it, and you moved it anyhow and tell me to deal with it. i'm obviously not the first that's been bothered by it so maybe you need to reconsider - or not.

Dude, I think you have some issues! "Who cares where the post is?" Exactly!
I think it's especially telling that you edited out your really nice "Wanted to say a big THANKS" posting from yesterday and replaced the text with "NOT". If you want to take your posts and go home, I really don't think anyone here is going to get too upset, but this really does seem like the proverbial tempest in a teacup.

[Randy Chase]

Originally Posted by Shark

I guess you have to ask yourself the question whether it is better to piss off potentially good members...

Shark, I ask myself those questions everytime I do anything. The answer is that I do what is best for the community. If I worried about pissing off the overly sensitive, I should not be the one running this forum. We would never moderate.

FWIW, it can't be both ways. You can allow everyone to make their own decisions about appropriateness of threads, posts, replies, placement, etc. Those posters I guess would be happy. But the forum would lose a lot of value to everyone else. I really try to not be heavy handed. But we can't please everyone. I think trying to please everyone is a recipe for the decline of this forum. That is not leadership to me.

You posted your first thread claming this forum was great and offering thanks. Well, to some extent it is great because of how it is managed. IN MY NOT SO HUMBLE OPINION.

[andykeck]

Dude! Double-chill! It's not like he filed your post into the 'Worthless **** from people I hate' forum. It's a judgement call sometimes as to where things go, but Randy's got a system and he and the other mods are putting in a hell of a lot of time to make it work. Your post can be seen by just as many people as before. I'd hate to see your reaction when something that's actually bad happens.

[ChrisB]

Shark, I am sure I speak for the majority of the people here when I say we absolutely do appreciate when you, or anyone else, takes the time and trouble to contribute useful information. And your post was certainly a good one.

However, also expect that your attitude regarding the moderators on this board will probably result in a lot of negative feedback. They work very hard trying to keep this the ultimate resource for Elise information and an excellent community.

Your statement: "who cares where the post is?" Apparently you do...to an extreme that is hard to understand. I see you have very few posts, so far, but may have been lurking for a while...I don't know. If you're new to this board, I suggest cooling off for a while and observing the good relationships that exist here...between posters and between posters and Admins, particularly Randy. If you really have positive contributions to make, I hope you don't leave.

[Randy Chase]

Originally Posted by Tyger

Dude, I think you have some issues! "Who cares where the post is?" Exactly!
I think it's especially telling that you edited out your really nice "Wanted to say a big THANKS" posting from yesterday and replaced the text with "NOT".

Seriously? LOL Damn...

[psionix]

BOT! this thread has a review of Radar Detectors and Jammers... did anybody check it out?

[Miguel]

Originally Posted by psionix

BOT! this thread has a review of Radar Detectors and Jammers... did anybody check it out?

Here is the link, the 1st link is broken it seems
http://motortrend.com/features/consu...ide/index.html

[Randy Chase]

Originally Posted by andykeck

Dude! Double-chill! It's not like he filed your post into the 'Worthless **** from people I hate' forum.

**Randy quickly checks forum permissions again, nobody is supposed to see that one.**

[TimMullen]

For anyone that worries about a thread being moved - don't worry. I suspect that most people find threads by hitting "New Posts" or doing a search for a particular subject. I have no idea which forum it was in originally - I saw it in the "New Posts" and decided to check it out.

Randy does a great job organizing things and sometimes he feels the need to move things or change things around. It works for me. The stuff is still here and can still be found. Randy tries hard to keep everyone as happy as possible, and from everything I've seen, goes out of his way not to "hurt" anyone's feelings. For the record Randy, if you ever need to move something of mine (or even edit it), feel free - I will not be offended.

For everyone else - chill - we're all just a bunch of friends here talking about our favorite car and a few other things we may have in common. The discussion about buying houses, mice in the cars, retirement plans, snakes in the yard, and whatever else are tolerated - often make for great discussions and a learning experience for us all...

So Shark, come back and join the group. No offense was meant; Can't we all just get along?

Oh, by the way, once again Randy, thanks for providing this forum and all the work you have to do.

[TTP]

Did someone say snake? I have a hi res 2592 x 1944 pic of the snake. Should I post it on this thread.

Shark,

For the most part this board is fantastic. The mods and Randy do a great job. No need to take offense at a silly thing like moving a post. You're making a mountain out of a mole hill. I for one just hit "new post" to keep up with the hot topics, etc.

[Abe]

Originally Posted by ChrisB

regarding the moderators on this board

No offense but, we have mods? I thought Randy was everything rolled up in one. Who knew?