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Old 06-12-2008, 10:18 AM   #1 (permalink)
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6.5" Subwoofer Rear Speakers Anyone Tried?

Has anyone tried using 6.5" subwoofer for a little added thump?

It would save the weight of a subwoofer enclosure, as well as two 6.5" subs are lighter than one 10" or 12" in general.

My truck has a decent system already, so I don't want to go all-out in the Lotus. I don't want it to add excessive weight also.

Any thoughts?
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Old 06-12-2008, 10:30 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Yeah, that is the route I want to go. Had a self power (100W) 6.5" sub in another mid-engine, car. Gave good solid bass. Replaced it with a 8" JL with 200W, it hits a lot lower and harder and being right behind the driver's seat, makes for a good massage. Would like to go with a 6" JL one of these days, in the Elise. Have 4" a/d/s up front and 6.5" Alpine in back, being driven by a Alpine amp... am OK for now but plan on adding a small sub at some point.
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scottyb did this to his 1st Elise
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I tried this with JL Audio 6" subs and it did not work. Also tried Bass shakers, which DO NOT fit under the seats.

Spend the right money once and get the footwell sub. There is no substitute.
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I tried this with JL Audio 6" subs and it did not work. Also tried Bass shakers, which DO NOT fit under the seats.

Spend the right money once and get the footwell sub. There is no substitute.
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I tried this with JL Audio 6" subs and it did not work. Also tried Bass shakers, which DO NOT fit under the seats.

Spend the right money once and get the footwell sub. There is no substitute.
What didn't work?

Fitment?

Vibration?
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pribably because you need a proper box. The stock speaker locations do not substitute for one.
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What didn't work?

Fitment?

Vibration?
Fit is not a problem. Like ScottyB, I tried the JL 6W0 mounted on MDF spacers in the original rear speaker locations. The guys at JL told me it wouldn't work because they needed a sealed container, and they were right. When they were crossed over so the rear panel didn't vibrate louder than the engine, there was no real bass extension. The vibration was amazing considering I put two layers of sound deadening on both the rear panel and the entire rear bulkhead. Then I put them in our Mini (which I originally intended them for) in sealed boxes in the original 6 x 9 locations, and they rock. They'll tolerate a lot of boost from the amp at 45hz; in the Elise they were just big, heavy midranges.

My car how has an older MB Quart 3way system. 5.25" components up front and a 6 3/4" woofer in the rear. Unlike the JLs, these were designed for free-air applications, and they work pretty well, considering the Elise is a horrible car for a stereo. I get very solid mid-bass and a sense of some low bass, but nothing like a sub. I used the old Stereophile test disk and got a solid 50hz tone, and the response died after that. I didn't want to install a sub, since the stereo isn't on much anyway, so it's very livable.

If you want real lows, you need a real sub.
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6.5 subs will not provide the 'thump' you are looking for unless they are in enclosures; instead of where the stock rear speakers mount...

I had some enclosures made for 6.5 subs that fit behind my seats on the little shelf and they sound great...finally some 'thump'..

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Fit is not a problem. Like ScottyB, I tried the JL 6W0 mounted on MDF spacers in the original rear speaker locations. The guys at JL told me it wouldn't work because they needed a sealed container, and they were right. When they were crossed over so the rear panel didn't vibrate louder than the engine, there was no real bass extension. The vibration was amazing considering I put two layers of sound deadening on both the rear panel and the entire rear bulkhead. Then I put them in our Mini (which I originally intended them for) in sealed boxes in the original 6 x 9 locations, and they rock. They'll tolerate a lot of boost from the amp at 45hz; in the Elise they were just big, heavy midranges.

My car how has an older MB Quart 3way system. 5.25" components up front and a 6 3/4" woofer in the rear. Unlike the JLs, these were designed for free-air applications, and they work pretty well, considering the Elise is a horrible car for a stereo. I get very solid mid-bass and a sense of some low bass, but nothing like a sub. I used the old Stereophile test disk and got a solid 50hz tone, and the response died after that. I didn't want to install a sub, since the stereo isn't on much anyway, so it's very livable.

If you want real lows, you need a real sub.
I don't need "real lows" but instead, just need a little "added thump"

I was thinking of this 7.25" subwoofer that fits in a 6.5" cutout.
Elemental Designs

It says on the website that it can handle IB (infinite baffle / free air?) applications.
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Yeah, the 6W0's would move like crazy and make *NO* sound alsmost at all. I too, covered the rear panel in sound deadener and stuffed with foam batting. Now, my pretty little 6W0's supply midrange (a good amount when crossed over to eliminate anything under 200hz, so they don't hurt themselves in the infinite baffle.

You can often find the footwell subs for sale on ET/LT when a real "track guy" buys a "poser" car like mine and doesn't want the sub.
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I just finished installing a set of CDT Audio 06+ Gold's in the rear panel, while it's probably not as good as a dedicated sub it's way better than stock. I have a set of 5.25" (ES52i Gold) in the dash and it sounds as good as can be expected in a Lotus. Stock Alpine HU and two ARC Audio mini 125.2's for amps. I'm happy with the setup since I can actually hear it at speed now.

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I had the same issue when first installing 6.5" subs in my rear panel, it turned out that the HU was set to only supply Sub out to the rear pre-outs. Might be worth looking into. Although it sounds like you've got it figured out.

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I was thinking of this 7.25" subwoofer that fits in a 6.5" cutout.
Elemental Designs

It says on the website that it can handle IB (infinite baffle / free air?) applications.
It looks too deep. Maybe not, but there's no measurements provided. Also, since the mounting surface isn't flat, it needs to fit the radius of the original hole-or you'll be doing a lot of fabrication.
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This guy does custom Sub panels.

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I just finished installing a set of CDT Audio 06+ Gold's in the rear panel, while it's probably not as good as a dedicated sub it's way better than stock. I have a set of 5.25" (ES52i Gold) in the dash and it sounds as good as can be expected in a Lotus. Stock Alpine HU and two ARC Audio mini 125.2's for amps. I'm happy with the setup since I can actually hear it at speed now.

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Wow you really fitted CDT ES-52i GOLD ?!?! I was just looking at these and wondering if its possible to fit these as the fronts and rear speakers. and since the ring of the speaker are orange and might match well with chrome orange?

Do you have pictures to show how you installed this speakers? Did you have to cut up the dash?
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This guy does custom Sub panels.

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Doesn't work for me since I have a harness bar.
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Wow you really fitted CDT ES-52i GOLD ?!?! I was just looking at these and wondering if its possible to fit these as the fronts and rear speakers. and since the ring of the speaker are orange and might match well with chrome orange?

Do you have pictures to show how you installed this speakers? Did you have to cut up the dash?

I cut the dash to mount the tweeters but the 5.25's fit right in with the grills. I had to build the rear 6.5's out 1" to fit.

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One more of the fronts

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