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Carrera 4s thoughts?

Anyone have a Carrera 4s they want to sell? Looking to sell my Elise and get C4s. Anyone owned before C4s.. If so whats your thoughts? Seems to be best both worlds sports and can be driven in snow.
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Anyone have a Carrera 4s they want to sell? Looking to sell my Elise and get C4s. Anyone owned before C4s.. If so whats your thoughts? Seems to be best both worlds sports and can be driven in snow.
My buddy has a 2010 C4S PDK. It's very stable, very solid, and the thrust at full throttle makes you giggle like a little kid. It's also very heavy and isolated and expensive compared to an Elise. Test drive one and see if you like it. My advice would be to get one (or any water cooled H6 Porsche) from 2009 or newer. Do a search on IMS failure to see why. Although I feel it's overhyped and preventable, some people are paranoid about it. In either case, Porsche's reaction to the issue shows that Porsche doesn't have much regard for it's customers.

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I owned a 997 C4S. Great car.....but you can't drive it in the snow with those monster tires.

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Im looking at a 2004 C4s which is the 996. In 2005 the 997's came out but is it really worth the price jump to get a 997? Whats the big differences?
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Lots of cosmetic and mechanical differences. Porsches are continually getting more powerful, stronger braking, more capable, and often more heavy.

The 996.2 and 997.1 are similar chassis-wise, but different in details. Most parts between the generations are not interchangeable. In general, the 996 is a little more hard edged but not as capable. I actially prefer the 996 as a driver's car. Also most feel that the 997 is much better looking. To go back to the IMS, most 996s have replaceable bearings, the 997.1 does not.

These cars are not cheap to own and any car that didn't get regular, proven maintenance should be avoided. Suspension bushings, air/oil coolers, spark plug tubes, door and window sensors, rear main seals, wheel bearings all seem to wear out much more often than one would normally expect.
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How about a 996 turbo? Sure the interior looks a bit dated, now but it's a superb car for the price!

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I'm wanting the C4s so I can drive it all year around.. sun,rain, or even snow.
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I'm wanting the C4s so I can drive it all year around.. sun,rain, or even snow.
Turbos have a similar awd drivetrain as the c4.
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The 996 C4S does accelerate very well. My friend had a convertible C4 and lent the car to me and I was pleasantly surprised. The 911 family has always felt very fast off the line even though they might not have had the most powerful engines in the class.

The maintenance can kill though and the 996 generation never appealed to me looks-wise thanks to the 67% shared parts with the 986 Boxster. The interior will be very spartan and the leather won't be as nice as the leather in the Elise, go figure.

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The 996 C4S does accelerate very well. My friend had a convertible C4 and lent the car to me and I was pleasantly surprised. The 911 family has always felt very fast off the line even though they might not have had the most powerful engines in the class.

The maintenance can kill though and the 996 generation never appealed to me looks-wise thanks to the 67% shared parts with the 986 Boxster. The interior will be very spartan and the leather won't be as nice as the leather in the Elise, go figure.
I owned an 02 C4S for 6 yrs, was the most reliable car i've ever owned. Nothing but routine maintenance and it was great in the snow with winter tires,

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I test drove 996 C4s and the seats were very comfy. Yes the dash/radio area do look a bit dated. I could always update the stereo area and the dash wouldn't bug me a much. Is it really worth the extra for the 2005 C4s 997 over the 996 hmm.. :-)
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It might be for the interior updates alone.

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I test drove 996 C4s and the seats were very comfy. Yes the dash/radio area do look a bit dated. I could always update the stereo area and the dash wouldn't bug me a much. Is it really worth the extra for the 2005 C4s 997 over the 996 hmm.. :-)
my 996 C4S had full leather and supple leather seats. That helped a lot as far as the interior goes.

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I sold my Lotus and got a C4s, I live in downtown Chicago but commute to Northbrook every day. As long as snow tires are on through the winter its fine.

Sold Lotus, bought 911C4S. The Lotus didn't do too well in the snow.
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What about a SL55 AMG? I know its crazy fast and a lot of torque but if you put snow tires with 18 inch rims... think that would work? BTW.. how's the gas miles on the C4s?
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996 engines have some inherent weaknesses you should read up on. This is the primary reason 996s are so reasonably priced. The opinions on the severity of the problem are quite varied.

996 TT is imune from these problems, is significantly faster, and is still AWD. Of course it is quite a bit more expensive than a c4s, but it is cheaper than a C4s and a new engine.

Just a heads up. Do your own research. I am not an expert, but If I thought I could track the hell out of $20K regular 996 without it blowing up, I would have one already!

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Wouldn't get an SL. Dull driving experience... If you like driving your Lotus, you will not like driving an SL...

The mileage on the 4S is pretty good, ~25 highway (almost all of my miles).

Sold Lotus, bought 911C4S. The Lotus didn't do too well in the snow.
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I'm wanting the C4s so I can drive it all year around.. sun,rain, or even snow.
I don't think you will want to drive it in the snow. With all the weight over the rear tires even a C2 sticks pretty good in the rain. I drove a 911 in the rain of oregon for years and was amazed at how well planted the rear end stayed. Why pack around all the extra stuff anyway, and there is not enough weight on the front tires when you launch to do much either.

I would go C2 or an audi beast of some sort. Why don't you look at Audi RS4s or similar instead.

Just my .02
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Im thinking of an 08 corvette coupe and drive my beater n the winter.
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