Elise vs Corvette & Nissan Z - LotusTalk

comptalk · 08-15-2009, 11:34 PM

So I was in Westchester today and drove around a bit. Saw some amazing cars. Was going around 65 or so. This Nissan Z blew me away. Looked stock, but could not keep up with it. Jumped from like 80 to 120 + in a second. I did not want to test the car or the cops at that speed. Too dangerous. But I am surprised that car seemed faster than the Elise. Then on the Palisades, a base looking 03 - 05 Corvette came up to me. Keeping on 80 or so. He tapped the pedal it seems and was gone. I think he was toying with me. So this ugly white supped up Toyota or Honda was on my ass. He was so close I missed my exit. Not sure why he was on me so close. Guess he wanted to be part of the experience. So switched from down shifting to zoom out of his area. He couldn't keep up. Great. I can take him out, but a Z and a 4 YO Vette blows me away. Shoulda got the Exige.

Demonized · 08-15-2009, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by comptalk

So I was in Westchester today and drove around a bit. Saw some amazing cars. Was going around 65 or so. This Nissan Z blew me away. Looked stock, but could not keep up with it. Jumped from like 80 to 120 + in a second. I did not want to test the car or the cops at that speed. Too dangerous. But I am surprised that car seemed faster than the Elise. Then on the Palisades, a base looking 03 - 05 Corvette came up to me. Keeping on 80 or so. He tapped the pedal it seems and was gone. I think he was toying with me. So this ugly white supped up Toyota or Honda was on my ass. He was so close I missed my exit. Not sure why he was on me so close. Guess he wanted to be part of the experience. So switched from down shifting to zoom out of his area. He couldn't keep up. Great. I can take him out, but a Z and a 4 YO Vette blows me away. Shoulda got the Exige.

Not allowed.

But on a different note; get a Katana/BWR/VF supercharger, and still have more money leftover than buying an Exige.

comptalk · 08-15-2009, 11:45 PM

Prob. going to trade in for an Evora in a year or two if the moons align up right. LOL. Was thinking about putting in a supercharger, but not sure if that is going to help the value of the car for a trade in 2011 for an Evora.

Demonized · 08-15-2009, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by comptalk

Prob. going to trade in for an Evora in a year or two if the moons align up right. LOL. Was thinking about putting in a supercharger, but not sure if that is going to help the value of the car for a trade in 2011 for an Evora.

Evora won't be much faster... wait till the supercharged Evora comes out.

comptalk · 08-15-2009, 11:49 PM

Still surprised the Vette and even more surprised the Z was quicker than the Elise.

Demonized · 08-15-2009, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by comptalk

Still surprised the Vette and even more surprised the Z was quicker than the Elise.

From a stop you'd likely be faster than the Z until ~60-70mph

Now stop highway racing.

comptalk · 08-15-2009, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Demonized

From a stop you'd likely be faster than the Z until ~60-70mph

Now stop highway racing.

Wasn't racing. Just trying to keep pace. Its really hard not to though.

sleepe · 08-16-2009, 12:07 AM

the Elise na has NO power past 70mph....get the vf2

comptalk · 08-16-2009, 12:15 AM

Anyone know how much would the new Lotus supercharger kit cost? Will it make any real difference?

comptalk · 08-16-2009, 12:19 AM

BWR is also out of stock. Sector 111 doesn't warranty out of Cali.

fpitas · 08-16-2009, 04:52 AM

Honestly...you may just have the wrong car. If you're not about the cornering, there are lots of cheaper, more practical cars that will beat ours in a straight line. The VF2 made a world of difference, but I am perfectly aware that the same money sunk into an Evo or Z would make a much faster car in a straight line.

Z-dculus · 08-16-2009, 05:07 AM

no way a z smokes an elise that bad in a straight line-ihad one before the elise, and i still abuse my brother regularly since he now has it. slightly higher top end, but just as hard to get there. based upon what you're describing that car had some definite power-adders. I def agree that you can make some disgusting power with the VQ motor with the same amount of money you'd dump into thse for a SC, etc.

Green Hornet · 08-16-2009, 05:16 AM

A friend of mine (and more experienced driver) and I have been going to a few track days together for a few years. When we started, I had an Elise with Ohlins and he had an s-200. He was very disappointed by our comparative pace. What with him being slower

The next year he shows up in a New Nissan 350Z Nismo. Unknown to him I now had the BWR supercharge.

His conclusion - there is only one affordable track day car - a Lotus. Except he won't fit into mine.

Moral of the story - just get a supercharger. I believe there is one for sale on this board. A NIB BWR, if I'm not mistaken.

It's worth the cost - even if you only keep the car 2 years. What a tranformation.

Good Luck and Be SAFE -

Green Hornet · 08-16-2009, 05:25 AM

Found It -

FS: New BWR SC kit...

This one is perfect. You can get a tune from Charlie X or from BOE. I believe either will match your tune with other parts you want like exhaust etc. BWR now supports Charlie X tunes too.

NO EXCUSES NOW

Well - My job is done here - just let us all know when you plan to pull the trigher

No kidding here - you will never regret this upgrade !!!

darkSol · 08-16-2009, 05:32 AM

I know several blown 350Z's locally around me. You fart on that engine and it adds 100whp EASILY. It would explain the acceleration in this case...

Corvette
Base C5 Corvettes (350hp) run 0-100mph in the 11.7 seconds. 80-120mph takes 8.9 seconds.

350Z
Stock 350Z's (287hp) run 0-100mph in 14.1 seconds. 80-120mph takes 11.8 seconds.

Mild turbo 350Z's (400hp) run 0-100mph in 11.0 seconds. 80-120mph takes 7.9 seconds.

Elise
Stock Elise (190hp) will run 0-100 mph in 12.8 seconds. 80-120mph takes 10.9 seconds. (3-4-5 quickest).

My old Katana (BWR equivalent) equipped Elise (261hp) ran 0-100 mph in 10.6 seconds. 80-120mph took 8.2 seconds. (4-5 quickest).

My current BOE TVS Elise (325hp) runs 0-100 mph in 8.6 seconds. 80-120mph takes 6.2 seconds. (4-5 quickest).

Just a few numbers tossed out there (using Cartest2000)...

comptalk · 08-16-2009, 08:17 AM

Looked at the one on the board for sale, its for an 05. I have an 07.

There really should be more Lotus places around NYC.

Bavarian Motorist · 08-16-2009, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by fpitas

Honestly...you may just have the wrong car. If you're not about the cornering, there are lots of cheaper, more practical cars that will beat ours in a straight line. The VF2 made a world of difference, but I am perfectly aware that the same money sunk into an Evo or Z would make a much faster car in a straight line.

Elise is more fun going fast even when you're really going slower

Green Hornet · 08-16-2009, 09:40 AM

You can check with BWR -

I believe difference between the years is mostly in the tune which is not included anyway.

It's worth a call -

LordZ · 08-16-2009, 09:45 AM

If you are wanting to out run cars doing 60+ then you got the wrong vehicle to do that with on the street. Especially in stock form. Hell, when I was stock I couldn't keep up with a G35 4door...

Of course now with my vf3 I'm putting down 292 to the wheels and not much can keep up anywhere other than the 800+hp ones which still blow me away (as well they should). But that is pushing this little 2ZZ pretty hard.

Take it to the track, a stock elise can hand any just about any street legal Z or vette it's ass though.

comptalk · 08-16-2009, 09:49 AM

What is the best supercharger to get, performance wise?

I will say, on the corners and turns the Z couldn't keep up, but back on the straight, fly past me. Then again, I was not comfortable in going the speed he or she was going.

08-15-2009, 11:34 PM	#1 (permalink)
comptalk Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: NY Posts: 118	Elise vs Corvette & Nissan Z So I was in Westchester today and drove around a bit. Saw some amazing cars. Was going around 65 or so. This Nissan Z blew me away. Looked stock, but could not keep up with it. Jumped from like 80 to 120 + in a second. I did not want to test the car or the cops at that speed. Too dangerous. But I am surprised that car seemed faster than the Elise. Then on the Palisades, a base looking 03 - 05 Corvette came up to me. Keeping on 80 or so. He tapped the pedal it seems and was gone. I think he was toying with me. So this ugly white supped up Toyota or Honda was on my ass. He was so close I missed my exit. Not sure why he was on me so close. Guess he wanted to be part of the experience. So switched from down shifting to zoom out of his area. He couldn't keep up. Great. I can take him out, but a Z and a 4 YO Vette blows me away. Shoulda got the Exige.

08-16-2009, 12:07 AM	#8 (permalink)
sleepe Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Rehoboth Beach, DE Posts: 1,050	the Elise na has NO power past 70mph....get the vf2 __________________ Elise'06ST:RAC/r888-Ultradiscs-Larini 8"-Braille-Saikou Michi cans-Nitron sportpro-RTVbrace-widened undertrays-manly's motor inserts-FF engine damper VF2

08-16-2009, 04:52 AM	#11 (permalink)
fpitas User, Registered Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Leesburg, VA Posts: 1,833	Honestly...you may just have the wrong car. If you're not about the cornering, there are lots of cheaper, more practical cars that will beat ours in a straight line. The VF2 made a world of difference, but I am perfectly aware that the same money sunk into an Evo or Z would make a much faster car in a straight line. __________________ Francis 2006 Chrome Orange Elise: LSD/TC, Nitron SAs with 425/650 springs, BWR 7/8" Front Bar, Eliseparts bumpsteer kit, VF Stage 2, 2bular Header + Sport Cat + 8x24 GT3 Muffler, ECU Tune by Jermaine, Smaay's fuel rail, ACT XT clutch, Saikou Michi dual catch can, Moroso pan, Manly's mount inserts & FF Engine Damper 2000 Black Integra Type R: - 213,000 miles...running again!

08-16-2009, 05:07 AM	#12 (permalink)
Z-dculus Derriere Extraordinaire Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: US OF A! Posts: 2,311	no way a z smokes an elise that bad in a straight line-ihad one before the elise, and i still abuse my brother regularly since he now has it. slightly higher top end, but just as hard to get there. based upon what you're describing that car had some definite power-adders. I def agree that you can make some disgusting power with the VQ motor with the same amount of money you'd dump into thse for a SC, etc. __________________ 2006 KG-Sport Pack, LSD, TC, SS, RAC Monolites, Sector CF Roof, Carbon 3 Element Diffuser, V3 Panel eliminator (p-coated), Odyssey PC680, Boomerang , HIDs, CF Console, Multivex, Lotus Stage II, CF Zoom Rear View, Sector LidBone, Darth Holder (thanks Kestrel!), Sector 4Tress Harness Bar/CRD Mount, couple exige trim pieces- KGB Authenticated 2009 VeeDub Jetta (new kid on the block) 1978 Chevrolet Caprice Classic -(relegated to 'project car' status)

08-16-2009, 05:16 AM	#13 (permalink)
Green Hornet Zzzzzzz Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Lancaster, PA Posts: 875	A friend of mine (and more experienced driver) and I have been going to a few track days together for a few years. When we started, I had an Elise with Ohlins and he had an s-200. He was very disappointed by our comparative pace. What with him being slower The next year he shows up in a New Nissan 350Z Nismo. Unknown to him I now had the BWR supercharge. His conclusion - there is only one affordable track day car - a Lotus. Except he won't fit into mine. Moral of the story - just get a supercharger. I believe there is one for sale on this board. A NIB BWR, if I'm not mistaken. It's worth the cost - even if you only keep the car 2 years. What a tranformation. Good Luck and Be SAFE - __________________ Life, Liberty and the Happiness of Pursuit

08-15-2009, 11:45 PM	#3 (permalink)
comptalk Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: NY Posts: 118	Prob. going to trade in for an Evora in a year or two if the moons align up right. LOL. Was thinking about putting in a supercharger, but not sure if that is going to help the value of the car for a trade in 2011 for an Evora.

08-15-2009, 11:49 PM	#5 (permalink)
comptalk Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: NY Posts: 118	Still surprised the Vette and even more surprised the Z was quicker than the Elise.

08-16-2009, 12:15 AM	#9 (permalink)
comptalk Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: NY Posts: 118	Anyone know how much would the new Lotus supercharger kit cost? Will it make any real difference?

08-16-2009, 12:19 AM	#10 (permalink)
comptalk Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: NY Posts: 118	BWR is also out of stock. Sector 111 doesn't warranty out of Cali.

08-16-2009, 05:25 AM	#14 (permalink)
Green Hornet Zzzzzzz Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Lancaster, PA Posts: 875	Found It - FS: New BWR SC kit... This one is perfect. You can get a tune from Charlie X or from BOE. I believe either will match your tune with other parts you want like exhaust etc. BWR now supports Charlie X tunes too. NO EXCUSES NOW Well - My job is done here - just let us all know when you plan to pull the trigher No kidding here - you will never regret this upgrade !!! __________________ Life, Liberty and the Happiness of Pursuit

08-16-2009, 05:32 AM	#15 (permalink)
darkSol Meow!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Leawood, KS Posts: 2,576	I know several blown 350Z's locally around me. You fart on that engine and it adds 100whp EASILY. It would explain the acceleration in this case... Corvette Base C5 Corvettes (350hp) run 0-100mph in the 11.7 seconds. 80-120mph takes 8.9 seconds. 350Z Stock 350Z's (287hp) run 0-100mph in 14.1 seconds. 80-120mph takes 11.8 seconds. Mild turbo 350Z's (400hp) run 0-100mph in 11.0 seconds. 80-120mph takes 7.9 seconds. Elise Stock Elise (190hp) will run 0-100 mph in 12.8 seconds. 80-120mph takes 10.9 seconds. (3-4-5 quickest). My old Katana (BWR equivalent) equipped Elise (261hp) ran 0-100 mph in 10.6 seconds. 80-120mph took 8.2 seconds. (4-5 quickest). My current BOE TVS Elise (325hp) runs 0-100 mph in 8.6 seconds. 80-120mph takes 6.2 seconds. (4-5 quickest). Just a few numbers tossed out there (using Cartest2000)... __________________ d.a..v...i....d David Thomas Stewart - davidtstewart@gmail.com TVS Supercharged 2005 Graphite Grey Lotus Elise: 286whp, 1781lbs. Lotus cars aren't made, they're hand built from dreams. If you must choose between two evils, pick the one you've never tried before.

08-16-2009, 08:17 AM	#16 (permalink)
comptalk Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: NY Posts: 118	Looked at the one on the board for sale, its for an 05. I have an 07. There really should be more Lotus places around NYC.

08-16-2009, 09:40 AM	#18 (permalink)
Green Hornet Zzzzzzz Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Lancaster, PA Posts: 875	You can check with BWR - I believe difference between the years is mostly in the tune which is not included anyway. It's worth a call - __________________ Life, Liberty and the Happiness of Pursuit

08-16-2009, 09:45 AM	#19 (permalink)
LordZ 06 S280 Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,320	If you are wanting to out run cars doing 60+ then you got the wrong vehicle to do that with on the street. Especially in stock form. Hell, when I was stock I couldn't keep up with a G35 4door... Of course now with my vf3 I'm putting down 292 to the wheels and not much can keep up anywhere other than the 800+hp ones which still blow me away (as well they should). But that is pushing this little 2ZZ pretty hard. Take it to the track, a stock elise can hand any just about any street legal Z or vette it's ass though.

08-16-2009, 09:49 AM	#20 (permalink)
comptalk Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: NY Posts: 118	What is the best supercharger to get, performance wise? I will say, on the corners and turns the Z couldn't keep up, but back on the straight, fly past me. Then again, I was not comfortable in going the speed he or she was going.

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