Elise vs Corvette & Nissan Z - Page 3 - LotusTalk

dcasandman · 08-18-2009, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by evomind

, i prefer the 2.4 they put in the srt4s. great little motor.

The motor in the SRT4 is just a version of what is in the Evo X a 4b11 platform base I'm pretty sure. It use to be the 4g63 in the Evo IX stroked some. The 4g is heavy Iron Block.

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LARRY · 08-18-2009, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by comptalk

So I was in Westchester today and drove around a bit. Saw some amazing cars. Was going around 65 or so. This Nissan Z blew me away. Looked stock, but could not keep up with it. Jumped from like 80 to 120 + in a second. I did not want to test the car or the cops at that speed. Too dangerous. But I am surprised that car seemed faster than the Elise. Then on the Palisades, a base looking 03 - 05 Corvette came up to me. Keeping on 80 or so. He tapped the pedal it seems and was gone. I think he was toying with me. So this ugly white supped up Toyota or Honda was on my ass. He was so close I missed my exit. Not sure why he was on me so close. Guess he wanted to be part of the experience. So switched from down shifting to zoom out of his area. He couldn't keep up. Great. I can take him out, but a Z and a 4 YO Vette blows me away. Shoulda got the Exige.

Get 'em on the twisties, and start even.

It'll be alot of fun running nose to tail.

They won't beat you.

evomind · 08-18-2009, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dcasandman

The motor in the SRT4 is just a version of what is in the Evo X a 4b11 platform base I'm pretty sure. It use to be the 4g63 in the Evo IX stroked some. The 4g is heavy Iron Block.

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i must admit i am not very familiar with the evo x. nor have i driven it.
the 2.4 used in the srt4 is not all that similar to the 4g63 i didnt think....
owned both. world of difference between the 2.4 and the 2.0.
dodge did a great job on the srt4, you cant beat the engine and tranny.
too bad its FWD. that motor would rock in the elise and its very tuneable. bulletproof too.
as it is, the 2zz is a great engine that puts out a ton of power for a 1.8.
unless you are rockefeller i would just S/C the elise or buy something that has the performance characteristics youre after.

evomind · 08-18-2009, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by LARRY

Get 'em on the twisties, and start even.

It'll be alot of fun running nose to tail.

They won't beat you.

thatll come down to driver and ballz.

mini63 · 08-18-2009, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by comptalk

So I was in Westchester today and drove around a bit. Saw some amazing cars. Was going around 65 or so. This Nissan Z blew me away. Looked stock, but could not keep up with it. Jumped from like 80 to 120 + in a second. I did not want to test the car or the cops at that speed. Too dangerous. But I am surprised that car seemed faster than the Elise. Then on the Palisades, a base looking 03 - 05 Corvette came up to me. Keeping on 80 or so. He tapped the pedal it seems and was gone. I think he was toying with me. So this ugly white supped up Toyota or Honda was on my ass. He was so close I missed my exit. Not sure why he was on me so close. Guess he wanted to be part of the experience. So switched from down shifting to zoom out of his area. He couldn't keep up. Great. I can take him out, but a Z and a 4 YO Vette blows me away. Shoulda got the Exige.

I learned by the age of two that it takes absolutely no driving ability or skill to mash the gas pedal and go in a straight line on a highway. My 92 year-old grandmother could do 180 down I-95 without blinking - and she has no license and is half blind. You can buy straight line speed (big deal) - you can't buy driving ability.

BTW, good to run into you again, Evo!

turbophil · 08-18-2009, 07:00 PM

Darksol, the Lord Z and I can hang with a Z06 to about 100... It's that little bit after a 100 where it's like

But that's OK--- there's always a turn coming up on the track

newguy · 08-18-2009, 08:35 PM

don't no if you were racing the New 370Z but that car is pushing 332 HP. stock elise has no chance sorry, as for vettes i won't even bother racing one unless i have a supercharger.

Tripledigits · 08-18-2009, 08:45 PM

Lotus should give Mazda a call and buy a boat full of the Mazdaspeed 3 engines for the Elise. Direct injection, very little turbo lag, relatively light, near 300/300 power in stock trim. The 3200 lb. Speed 3 gets great performance and economy from it. My calibrated fuel economy in highway driving at 60-65 mph is 36+ mpg. Nice 6 speed tranny as well.

sleepe · 08-18-2009, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by fpitas

Honestly...you may just have the wrong car. If you're not about the cornering, there are lots of cheaper, more practical cars that will beat ours in a straight line. The VF2 made a world of difference, but I am perfectly aware that the same money sunk into an Evo or Z would make a much faster car in a straight line.

How does your vf2 run in 80 F heat? Mine seems down in power and the hesitation is really bad below 4000rpm in anything over 80F.

Are you using a boost gauge?
-Robert

sleepe · 08-18-2009, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by LordZ

If you are wanting to out run cars doing 60+ then you got the wrong vehicle to do that with on the street. Especially in stock form. Hell, when I was stock I couldn't keep up with a G35 4door...

Of course now with my vf3 I'm putting down 292 to the wheels and not much can keep up anywhere other than the 800+hp ones which still blow me away (as well they should). But that is pushing this little 2ZZ pretty hard.

Take it to the track, a stock elise can hand any just about any street legal Z or vette it's ass though.

vf3 unopened engine? Is your 292 whp number on a dynapack?

My vf2 is 292 as well. (dynapack)

-Robert

spf4000 · 08-18-2009, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Tripledigits

Lotus should give Mazda a call and buy a boat full of the Mazdaspeed 3 engines for the Elise. Direct injection, very little turbo lag, relatively light, near 300/300 power in stock trim. The 3200 lb. Speed 3 gets great performance and economy from it. My calibrated fuel economy in highway driving at 60-65 mph is 36+ mpg. Nice 6 speed tranny as well.

The Mazdaspeed3 engine has no top end. It really runs out of breath after 5500. I don't think it matches the characteristics of a nimble car like the Elise/Exige.

evomind · 08-19-2009, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by mini63

I learned by the age of two that it takes absolutely no driving ability or skill to mash the gas pedal and go in a straight line on a highway. My 92 year-old grandmother could do 180 down I-95 without blinking - and she has no license and is half blind. You can buy straight line speed (big deal) - you can't buy driving ability.

BTW, good to run into you again, Evo!

hey mini! i hope this finds you well.

but mini, were not talking about "driving ability," were talking abt cars.
what car can do what.
i always hear that from guys in slower cars...."its all abt driving ability!"
then after they lose they whine about how it was the other car that beat them.

evomind · 08-19-2009, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by turbophil

Darksol, the Lord Z and I can hang with a Z06 to about 100... It's that little bit after a 100 where it's like

But that's OK--- there's always a turn coming up on the track

wow. what all did you do to the lotus to achieve sub a 9 second 0-100?
nice.

evomind · 08-19-2009, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Agent ONE

@ evomind, Elise... and yeah your Vette is fast. But it isn't as fun to drive as my lotus, and its certainly not interesting. Oh and the comment in your sig. Where I come from, the redneck comment is made about Vettes. Most think its a tacky rattlebox-land-barge and you need a mullet to drive one. I'm sure you look cool in yours though.

@ zcoupe, I was talking about fans.

@ the1sen, yes. Simple people like straight line driving because its cheap to find a car that will do it.

thanks!
seriously, you are so misinformed. my z didnt rattle, is lighter than most of the cars folks here ohhh and ahhh about, and ive never seen anyone with a mullet driving one. again, thats propulgated by fair minded individuals on this board, methinks.
however, my lotus elise, DID rattle a whole lot. worst car quality wise ive ever owned. still a cool, fun car though and i loved it.
just to get you up to date though, since owning my 06 zo6 (best all around sportscar ive ever owned, emphasis on all around), ive owned an 06 viper, a noble m400, and currently i own a superformance gt40.
all of which have been pictured here and there on the board.
any questions?

darkSol · 08-19-2009, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by evomind

wow. what all did you do to the lotus to achieve sub a 9 second 0-100?
nice.

Well both Phil and I added a TVS to the mix, LordZ did the VF kit...

Here's my TVS vs. stock dyno:

Stock car did a 0-100mph in 12.0 seconds flat with 167whp - current car does it in 8.6 seconds with 286whp.

PhlypSide · 08-19-2009, 07:28 AM

And then the Atom guys and Caterham guys started piping up...

Don't get the skilled riders (not that I'm one of them) talking either......

fpitas · 08-19-2009, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by sleepe

How does your vf2 run in 80 F heat? Mine seems down in power and the hesitation is really bad below 4000rpm in anything over 80F.

Are you using a boost gauge?
-Robert

Mine is OK, even in 100F heat. Yes, I have a boost gauge. I was losing some boost until I discovered a loose hose clamp on the intercooler, now it's about 9 psi again at higher RPMs. The only hesitation I get is a little "flat" spot at very light throttle at lower RPMs (around 3,000RPM).

aschen · 08-19-2009, 08:16 AM

I wonder how many years the corvette will have to be just about the best bargain in the sports car world before people give it its due respect? Corvettes have been pretty awsome cars for 12 or so years now, and people still call them mullet mobiles and straight line only cars. The worst optioned vette will leave a stock elise for dead at any speed and handles pretty damn well. The best optioned vette will absolutely embarass an elise in accelleration and handle just about as well...

I buy what I like so I have an elise and an old porsche. If I was shoping for the highest performance/dollar I would look no farther than the ol plastic fantastic.....

DPM · 08-19-2009, 08:30 AM

I drove the 370Z and the GT-R yesterday. The 370 just about put me to sleep. I took it back after 15 minutes.

The GT-R was incredible, as I had expected. I went out for 45 minutes and had a blast with it. I can't find a fault with the car in any area. Brakes, acceleration, cornering, finish and ergonomics were all spot on. The downshift throttle blip was perfect. The transmission goes into Manual mode as the default when you start it and if you want to drive in Auto it has to be shifted manually. If you use the paddle shifters in Auto it defaults right back to Manual and needs to be set again into Auto. It's definitely on the list of possibilities.

Last week I went for a short ride in one of AMS STI cars and that thing was an absolute bullet. 410 HP at the wheels. Only negative is that it was owned by a guy in his early 20s and no doubt it has been beat to death.

evomind · 08-19-2009, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by darkSol

Well both Phil and I added a TVS to the mix, LordZ did the VF kit...

Here's my TVS vs. stock dyno:

Stock car did a 0-100mph in 12.0 seconds flat with 167whp - current car does it in 8.6 seconds with 286whp.

very cool!
id love to drive one, dave....
seems you still owe me!

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Tripledigits Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 293	Lotus should give Mazda a call and buy a boat full of the Mazdaspeed 3 engines for the Elise. Direct injection, very little turbo lag, relatively light, near 300/300 power in stock trim. The 3200 lb. Speed 3 gets great performance and economy from it. My calibrated fuel economy in highway driving at 60-65 mph is 36+ mpg. Nice 6 speed tranny as well. __________________ 1998 D Sports Racer 2002 CBR 1100XX 2008 Mazdaspeed 3

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aschen My car is really small Join Date: May 2008 Location: Woodlands Tx Posts: 395	I wonder how many years the corvette will have to be just about the best bargain in the sports car world before people give it its due respect? Corvettes have been pretty awsome cars for 12 or so years now, and people still call them mullet mobiles and straight line only cars. The worst optioned vette will leave a stock elise for dead at any speed and handles pretty damn well. The best optioned vette will absolutely embarass an elise in accelleration and handle just about as well... I buy what I like so I have an elise and an old porsche. If I was shoping for the highest performance/dollar I would look no farther than the ol plastic fantastic..... __________________ 05 Safron Yellow "bumbleBee" Not sure I can ever go back to a regular car 84 930 turbo "no nickname yet" 06 WRX Wagon "silverbullet"

08-19-2009, 08:30 AM	#59 (permalink)
DPM Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 702	I drove the 370Z and the GT-R yesterday. The 370 just about put me to sleep. I took it back after 15 minutes. The GT-R was incredible, as I had expected. I went out for 45 minutes and had a blast with it. I can't find a fault with the car in any area. Brakes, acceleration, cornering, finish and ergonomics were all spot on. The downshift throttle blip was perfect. The transmission goes into Manual mode as the default when you start it and if you want to drive in Auto it has to be shifted manually. If you use the paddle shifters in Auto it defaults right back to Manual and needs to be set again into Auto. It's definitely on the list of possibilities. Last week I went for a short ride in one of AMS STI cars and that thing was an absolute bullet. 410 HP at the wheels. Only negative is that it was owned by a guy in his early 20s and no doubt it has been beat to death. __________________ 2006 Diasio D962R Arancio Borealis SOLD: 05 Elise, Benetec Carbon Fiber full body & rear wing, FF 275 turbo kit , Ikeya sequential shifter, Ohlins coilovers, Porterfield R-4, Sector 111 RTD brace & HNT pad, Yokohama A048, Caterham seats, Simpson 5 point belts, Moroso oil pan, Sector 111 Boomerang, AutoMeter CF Oil Pres-Boost-Vac gauges. No AC, heat, airbags. 1619 pounds "wet"

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08-18-2009, 08:35 PM	#47 (permalink)
newguy Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Long Island Posts: 222	don't no if you were racing the New 370Z but that car is pushing 332 HP. stock elise has no chance sorry, as for vettes i won't even bother racing one unless i have a supercharger.

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