It looks like the Elise may have some competition - LotusTalk

marcinr · 10-15-2009, 03:20 PM

270HP, 1874 lb, mid-engine. Sounds like a real competitor.

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LotusLacer · 10-15-2009, 03:21 PM

repost number 3?

kestrel74 · 10-15-2009, 03:22 PM

Ready, Set,

milehitom · 10-15-2009, 03:42 PM

Go...

wantanelise · 10-15-2009, 04:49 PM

That thing is pretty cool. But it does look kind of 90's.

ErictheBastard · 10-15-2009, 05:34 PM

Fer crying out loud you silly pedantic repost/search function Nazis, lighten up. I'm on here every day and I missed this one - wouldn't have known about it if it wasn't for the repost.

Honestly, the search function on this forum leaves much to be desired. Thanks Marcinr for bringing this to my attention.

...m... · 10-15-2009, 05:54 PM

...i've never seen this before, either - thank for the link, marcin...

rackhenry · 10-15-2009, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ErictheBastard

Fer crying out loud you silly pedantic repost/search function Nazis, lighten up. I'm on here every day and I missed this one - wouldn't have known about it if it wasn't for the repost.

Honestly, the search function on this forum leaves much to be desired. Thanks Marcinr for bringing this to my attention.

Agree...., oh my god a repost.. BAN, BAN, BAN...

Interesting car btw. Thanks

smokin orange · 10-15-2009, 06:52 PM

I am on here just about every day...never saw it either. Sweet looking car with a great power to weight ratio.

qball · 10-15-2009, 07:00 PM

Is it coming to the US? Looks like a mini-Enzo!

Edit: Never mind... says Japan-only!

Shorty111R · 10-15-2009, 07:05 PM

Looks like a mini Enzo.

EDIT: Sorry qball, missed your post, haha

DWebb · 10-15-2009, 07:48 PM

I like it.

Bavarian Motorist · 10-15-2009, 07:57 PM

This bothers me because it makes me feel like Lotus is so far behind the curve by using the same old Toyota lump which makes barely adequate power in NA form

Why can a little company like that start sourcing a powerful 4-cyl motor so easily? What am I missing in this story? Am I wrong to feel like Lotus should be using a better motor?

Are the vehicle prices similar?

Elistan · 10-15-2009, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bavarian Motorist

This bothers me because it makes me feel like Lotus is so far behind the curve by using the same old Toyota lump which makes barely adequate power in NA form

Why can a little company like that start sourcing a powerful 4-cyl motor so easily? What am I missing in this story? Am I wrong to feel like Lotus should be using a better motor?

Are the vehicle prices similar?

One theory - a Japanese company can source a Japanese engine for the Japan-only market much more than a British company can source an American, Japanese, French, Italian, etc. engine for a global market. (As far as I know, there's no such thing as British engine appropriate for Elise's size.)

It's worth noting that their 270 hp engine is turbocharged, so it's directly comparable to the Exige's supercharged engine, which has comparable hp from smaller displacement.

"Barely adequate" is hardly how I'd personally describe the Toyota lump.

Southernguy · 10-15-2009, 08:44 PM

Reminds me of the horrid Hardcastle and McCormick car, the Cody Coyote only smaller...WAY overstyled and looks almost impossible for the driver to even look out his/her own window fully due the the severe upward slant of the window right in th line of sight.

Bavarian Motorist · 10-15-2009, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Elistan

One theory - a Japanese company can source a Japanese engine for the Japan-only market much more than a British company can source an American, Japanese, French, Italian, etc. engine for a global market. (As far as I know, there's no such thing as British engine appropriate for Elise's size.)

It's worth noting that their 270 hp engine is turbocharged, so it's directly comparable to the Exige's supercharged engine, which has comparable hp from smaller displacement.

"Barely adequate" is hardly how I'd personally describe the Toyota lump.

The outputs of the S 260 motor and this one are similar, however, it's probably a safe bet this vehicle is the "entry level" model and higher HP variants are gonna be offered in no time, whereas the 257hp motor on the Exige S 260 is on an $80k vehicle and is probably nearing the limits of what Lotus will raise the output to.

Maybe I should be optimistic and say that all these signs are pointing to a new engine in the Elige's future!

Lancia · 10-15-2009, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Southernguy

Reminds me of the horrid Hardcastle and McCormick car, the Cody Coyote only smaller...WAY overstyled and looks almost impossible for the driver to even look out his/her own window fully due the the severe upward slant of the window right in th line of sight.

Yep.
Nothing worse than McLaren styling.
(Not that I'm happy with the changes made for the series. And I detest tinted headlight covers.)

fast+forward · 10-15-2009, 10:44 PM

not really competition; its probably more expensive and its JDM as mentioned..

Christophe111 · 10-15-2009, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by fast+forward

not really competition; its probably more expensive and its JDM as mentioned..

It will probably be more expensive that the Elise.
As for the styling, it´s a huge rip-off but it must be quite impressive when one sees it driving on the street.

For some, price is no issue. For me it is.
I will not lose time dreaming of a car I will never be able to afford and therefore never drive.
In my case, I thank Lotus every day for giving me the chance to drive my dream car thanks to its affordable price.

Anybody can make make a fvery ast car from 50.000 Euros on.
But an affordable middle-engine new car for less than 40.000?
Lotus starts it at 37.000 here in Europe and that make them my personal heroes.
And leave them without competition on that price-segment.

Now if Lotus could make a 140 hp entry-price little brother to the 2-eleven ^^

tabajay · 10-16-2009, 12:34 AM

What I want is an Elise with German or Japanese build quality!

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wantanelise Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: upstate NY Posts: 1,297	That thing is pretty cool. But it does look kind of 90's.

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smokin orange Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 412	I am on here just about every day...never saw it either. Sweet looking car with a great power to weight ratio. __________________ 05 Elise, (sold) 2002 BMW 330ci convertable, M package 1998 Range Rover (stolen) 1972 BMW 2002 supercharged, fuel injected, liquid intercooled, Haltech E6A ECU...and lots of other stuff 1988 BMW 535Is

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qball Wizard of Pugz! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 4,513 Images: 3	Is it coming to the US? Looks like a mini-Enzo! Edit: Never mind... says Japan-only!

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Shorty111R MY car weighs 3166lbs Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 556	Looks like a mini Enzo. EDIT: Sorry qball, missed your post, haha __________________ "Any car which holds together for more than a race is too heavy" - Colin Chapman -07 Chevy HHR -08 Kawasaki Concours 14 -09 Buell XB12Scg - GOT IT FOR HALF PRICE! Looking for a Lotus! Last edited by Shorty111R : 10-15-2009 at 09:17 PM.

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Bavarian Motorist Live to Drive Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: NYC/Westchester, NY Posts: 10,852	This bothers me because it makes me feel like Lotus is so far behind the curve by using the same old Toyota lump which makes barely adequate power in NA form Why can a little company like that start sourcing a powerful 4-cyl motor so easily? What am I missing in this story? Am I wrong to feel like Lotus should be using a better motor? Are the vehicle prices similar? __________________ Be an alpha male. Drive a Lotus.

10-15-2009, 08:44 PM	#15 (permalink)
Southernguy Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 112	Reminds me of the horrid Hardcastle and McCormick car, the Cody Coyote only smaller...WAY overstyled and looks almost impossible for the driver to even look out his/her own window fully due the the severe upward slant of the window right in th line of sight.

10-15-2009, 10:44 PM	#18 (permalink)
fast+forward Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 215	not really competition; its probably more expensive and its JDM as mentioned..

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