Old cars aren't safe???

[glb]

Not much of a surprise.

Note that Bel Air had no engine, but IIHS (not my fav group) says it doesn't matter much. Didn't want to destroy a classic.

Looks as if seatbelts are a good idea!

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NYT, 9/20/09

It was no way to treat a senior citizen: sending a 1959 Chevrolet Bel Air hurtling into a collision with a 2009 Malibu at 40 miles per hour. As the video produced by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety shows, the outcome wasn’t pretty, either.

The windshield dislodges, the driver’s door opens and the front half of the Bel Air goes through something between crumbling and what looks like imploding as the dummy in the driver’s seat flies around like Peter Pan.

“The Bel Air collapsed,” said David Zuby, the senior vice president for the institute’s vehicle research center in Virginia. “The area in which the driver was sitting collapsed completely around him.”

The test was to mark the 50th anniversary of the I.I.H.S., a group funded by the insurance industry. The idea was to show how much automotive safety has progressed in five decades.


While some people still think that the big steel bodies and sturdy frames of old cars meant stronger vehicles and good crash protection, the institute’s crash test shows that that just isn’t the case, Mr. Zuby said. Sophisticated engineering and high-strength steel give modern vehicles a huge advantage.

Here’s how the institute described what happened to the Bel Air:

“This car had no seat belts or air bags. Dummy movement wasn’t well controlled, and there was far too much upward and rearward movement of the steering wheel. The dummy’s head struck the steering wheel rim and hub and then the roof and unpadded metal instrument panel to the left of the steering wheel.

“During rebound, the dummy’s head remained in contact with the roof and slid rearward and somewhat inward. The windshield was completely dislodged from the car and the driver door opened during the crash, both presenting a risk of ejection. In addition, the front bench seat was torn away from the floor on the driver side.”

The I.I.H.S. has crash-tested hundreds of vehicles, and Mr. Zuby said he doesn’t know of any that performed worse than the Bel Air.

The institute rates vehicles as Good, Acceptable, Marginal or Poor. The group looks at how well the structure of the vehicle held up and the likelihood of injuries to the head, chest and legs. The Bel Air got a Poor rating in every category.

The 2009 Malibu got Good in every category but the one for the left leg and foot, which was rated Marginal.

And what does this mean to owners of 1959 Bel Airs? Mr. Zuby said driving in a parade was probably safe because the speeds were slow and it was a controlled environment.

“I wouldn’t recommend that anybody use an antique car like this for their daily driving around,” he said.




September 18, 2009, 11:21 am

More Details About 1959 Bel Air Crash Test
By Christopher Jensen

The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety released on Thursday a video of a crash test between a 1959 Chevrolet Bel Air and a 2009 Malibu to demonstrate how car safety has improved. Not to simplify matters too much, but the Malibu won. And several Wheels readers speculated in comments that the car didn’t contain an engine, which would have affected the test.

Armed with these conspiracy theories, I returned to David Zuby, the senior vice president at the institute’s crash-test center in Virginia. He explained that when the institute went looking for a 1959 Bel Air to crash-test there was one thing the organization didn’t want and some things it did.

“We didn’t want to crash a museum piece,” Mr. Zuby said. “We were not looking for one that had been restored for museum or show quality.” But the vehicle had to have a solid structure, although a little surface rust would be acceptable.

They found what they wanted in Indiana. “The frame was sound and all the body panels were sound,” he said. It had a 3.9-liter 6-cylinder engine and was in driving condition.

The car was bought for about $8,500 and had about 74,000 miles on the odometer, which was broken. It was trucked to the test center in Virginia.

Mr. Zuby said the cloud that shows in the crash video wasn’t rust. “Most of that is road dirt that accumulates in nooks and crannies that you can’t get it,” he said.

[RoadDad]

[RoadDad]

[apk919]

[RoadDad]

[RoadDad]

[apk919]

and fix your "S", RD!

[glb]

OH. Sorry, I admit I did forget to search.

[RoadDad]

Originally Posted by apk919

and fix your "S", RD!

"sh!t" in the IMG link got edited to **** and threw the entire thing off .

[apk919]

Originally Posted by RoadDad

"sh!t" in the IMG link got edited to **** and threw the entire thing off .

Ah, but the result was worth waiting for

[Uncle Sam]

Add a $1500 full NASCAR cage (and engine for mass) and try the test again. Although, I can't remember whether the 1959 Chevy had an X frame which would be a mitigating factor. I don't think it did. Cool video.

[chromedome]

They need to ban the malibu from the roads. That thing is a menace. Poor Bell Air didnt stand a chance.

[Administrator]

Look at the cloud of rust rise from the Bel-Air. I don't believe everything I see on the internet. I think that Bel-Air with an engine would flatten the Malibu.

Nadeem

[Mr.C]

Originally Posted by Administrator

Look at the cloud of rust rise from the Bel-Air. I don't believe everything I see on the internet. I think that Bel-Air with an engine would flatten the Malibu.

Nadeem

Rust or not, or engine or not - I think any modern vehicle design with today's technology will be safer than any car designed back in those days.

[Demonized]

Originally Posted by Administrator

Look at the cloud of rust rise from the Bel-Air. I don't believe everything I see on the internet. I think that Bel-Air with an engine would flatten the Malibu.

Nadeem

I'd guess the damage to the Malibu would have been worse with an engine in the Bel-Air... but the damage to the Bel-Air might have been significantly worse too... imagine the engine forcing the firewall into the passenger compartment.

[JWA]

It clearly states in the article that you posted that it did have the engine.

[Mr.C]

How about a 2CV?

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I guess not even a modern designed car would help in a crash like this.

But I do think I'd rather be in a Smart than in that Bel Air during a "regular" crash...

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[shay2nak]

wow! pretty funny how the smart car just bounces off the Merc.

[RoadDad]

Ara,

Smart cars bounce off bunnies.

[glb]

Originally Posted by RoadDad

Ara,

Smart cars bounce off bunnies.

must learn to not drink coffee when reading this stuff...