Ronn Motor Company Unveiled Hydrogen Scorpion Sportscar

[nockpoint]

Seems like the car made a debut at SEMA -- Live at SEMA 2008: RMC Scorpion

[JonMoseley]

Originally Posted by Aedo

Great looking car!

But getting hydrogen from an onboard water tank using electrolysis is just complete rubbish
In english this translates as:
"We take electricty generated by the 25% efficient ICE, use that at ~70% efficiency to liberate hydrogen from water, we add this to the ICE and recover it at about 25% efficiency (so we are now at ~5% of the original energy contained in the petrol) and voila - the car is now vastly more efficient!"
Sorry - but that is the description of perpetual energy.

I think the theory is that you are currently not burning all the gasoline or petrol, because combustion is incomplete. Many of the fumes going out the tail pipe consist of unburned fuel or incompletely burned fuel.

So if you can make the engine burn the existing fuel more completely, you will get more energy from the same amount of fuel. Specifically, the H2GO devide is reducing the amount of energy loss and increasing the efficiency of the conversion of gasoline (petrol) into kinetic energy.

That, as I understand it, is why the device simultaneously increases gas mileage and also reduces polluting emissions. More of the fuel is being consumed in the engine instead of being spewed out the tailpipe as waste.

Obviously they will have to prove performance on the road.

And it is obvious that others have been spewing nonsense like cars that run on water.

I don't know if their theory works.

But at least what the theory is is quite different from what other people have been talking about.

If you think about it, the conversion of gasoline (petrol) energy into forward motion is far more complex than just the raw amount of energy in the fuel.

Energy is released when the gasoline is burned.

However, if you simplly pour the gasoline on an empty field and burn it, you will not get any forward motion (kinetic energy) aside from people running away, perhaps.

To convert the raw energy content of the gasoline into forward motion depends upon the speed with which the gasoline explodes, thus creating a sharp pressure differential between the two sides of the piston.

Rapid combustion (explosion) will drive the piston far more strongly than SLOW combustion. Rapid combustion (explosion) will drive the piston and drive the car. Slow combustion will simply heat the engine block through the metal sides of the chamber.

Point being that there are a lot more factors involved in the process of converting gasoline's chemical energy into moving the car down the road than simply the raw energy content of the fuel.

It may be that there are no improvements possible in any part of that process.

But I don't think we can just assume that no improvements are possible.

I think it was around 1899 that the head of the US Patent Office recommended closing the Patent Office because everything that could be invented had already been invented.

Boy was he wrong.

Don't get me wrong: I'm not telling you to be careless with your money.

My philosophy is to always buy a new product AFTER the 3rd or 4th version is out on the market, after the price has come down, after all the bugs have been worked out, after all the goofs have been discovered. So I am not saying to close your eyes and jump off a cliff. I'm just saying keep an open mind.

[JonMoseley]

Originally Posted by local600

Not only do I think this car looks great, I'm excited about the technology. Anyone who says it's rubbish or perpetual motion doesn't fully understand it and has never done it.

Yes, electrolysis wastes energy in the process, but what is not taken into account is the potential energy released in the form of hydrogen. It's like lifting a heavy garage door to release a Lotus, the two actions are unrelated.

The other thing is that if one uses a 555 timer to pulse the electricity going into the system (thereby converting it to an AC system) at the right frequency, the water molecule ruptures apart into Oxygen and Hydrogen quite easily and efficiently. Tesla found that everything can be tuned to a frequency and rattled apart, even his own building.

Short story long, I have made a few hydrogen fuel cells and it's easy. Getting it to work in a car required three other things: The electronics I mentioned, a special fuel delivery system similar to a propane carb and a drastic adjustment of the engine timing. A stainless exhaust system wouldn't hurt either.

So, you're creating Hydrogen (the smallest, lightest, most flammable element known to man) under the hood as you need it and not carrying around dangerous tanks of the stuff or worrying about where to get it. Stan Meyer who discovered this created a dune buggy that could go coast to coast on 22 gallons.

This is the answer we've been waiting for and what I would say to any skeptic is: You know that anything that burns can be used as fuel, now let me show you how I can make this water burn.

Now what you are describing here DOES sound like perpetual motion (impossible). Hydrogen is no more flammable than any other combustible element or chemical. Indeed there are high explosives that are more "flammable" than hydrogen.

Water (H2O) is split apart by electroysis to create Hydrogem (2) and Oxygen (1).

When hydrogen burns the exact opposite reaction takes place. 2 Hydrogens and 1 Oxygen create H2O -- water.

So electroysis is the exact opposite reaction. By burning the hydrogen you get back exactly what you put in, except for friction and energy losses (and escaped hydrogen).


Hydrogen fuel cells work. They powered the Apollo moon mission way back in the 1960's. If you see the movie Apollo 13 you will see how the Apollo spacecraft is losing electrical power because it is losing oxygen. hydrogen plus oxygen is creating electricity in the fuel cells.

But hydrogen will only distribute energy generated somewhere else. You still have to get the energy from somewhere.

But that's a good thing. We can generate electricity using ACTIVE (aggressive) geothermal (drilling down 30,000 feet to reach hot spots instead of passive geothermal where the heat comes to the surface), hydro, solar, nuclear, coal, etc. This can be used to create hydrogen.

[RichS]

Are you guys ready for some potential fans/buyers to stop by and visit? Quite a few of us know quite a bit about performance cars and could provide some input...