Lotus Forum Lotus Forum
Go Back   LotusTalk - The Lotus Cars Community > Community > Other Cars and Comparisons
User Name
Password
Register Home Forums Active Topics Gallery Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


       
Registered Members do not see the above ads. Please Register Today - It's quick and free!
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-08-2008, 05:49 AM   #1 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Hanzo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 195
Top 10 Highest Lateral G - Benchracing

I'm surprise to see a Honda Fit in it: Top 10 Highest Lateral G - Benchracing - Sport Compact Car Magazine
__________________
"It's good for me, it's good for the team."
Hanzo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2008, 05:54 AM   #2 (permalink)
rooster
 
JimK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Bettendorf, IA
Posts: 2,018
obviously not a stock Fit. Spoon Sports race car. I'm surprised the kart was only 1.39 g's (and the Williams F1 car less than that!). Somebody's not trying very hard...
__________________
'05 Storm Titanium Elise: sold
bunch of Honda's
Reynard F2000:weekend Skippy rental
CRG Kali Rotax 125 cross trainer
JimK is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2008, 06:03 AM   #3 (permalink)
with future lotus driver
 
Conan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Rochester, MN
Posts: 1,733
Images: 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by JimK View Post
obviously not a stock Fit. Spoon Sports race car. I'm surprised the kart was only 1.39 g's (and the Williams F1 car less than that!). Somebody's not trying very hard...
I think they are just trying to focus on mechanical grip vs aero grip. An F1 car will do up to 5 g's, but that is almost all aero grip, which means it's speed dependent. I'm guessing they ran a skid pad test at low speeds where aero isn't much of a factor.
__________________
"Driving involves 3 basic abilities: Accelerating, braking and turning. More power will only help acceleration. Lower weight helps all three."
2006 BRG Lotus Elise, 1986 Porsche 944 (project race car), 2001 Chevy Silverado 6L 2500 HD (tow vehicle), 2007 Honda Odyssey (the wife's)
Conan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2008, 06:26 AM   #4 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Hanzo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 195
Quote:
Originally Posted by JimK View Post
obviously not a stock Fit. Spoon Sports race car. I'm surprised the kart was only 1.39 g's (and the Williams F1 car less than that!). Somebody's not trying very hard...
Well, it is a F1 car but it's from 1983 (FW08C):



As for the Fit and Elise, the Elise is also modified (ForcedFed Performance) granted it's not full race car but still impressed by the little Fit. It's not even running on slicks: Honda Spoon Fit Passenger Wheel Photo
__________________
"It's good for me, it's good for the team."
Hanzo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2008, 09:22 AM   #5 (permalink)
Unregistered alien
 
XPcarguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: The tirewall.
Posts: 1,079
Images: 6
You can't always assume a direct relationship between "newer" and "better" with F1 cars. The safety gods occasionally throw monkey wrenches into the equation to slow the cars down. Like when they abolished slicks, reduced engine size, etc.

That said, for any type of car, mechanical grip is almost entirely a factor of tire compound. One exception being karts where it's a factor of tire compound and how well the driver keeps the inside rear off the ground.

Also, I'd suspect the F1 car was affected by lack of speed (downforce) and lack of tire temp. I'd suspect the same thing (lack of heat in tires) of the kart.

On another note, where is the stupid "close" button for that annoying pop-over that blocks the top half of the list?
__________________
Fine. I'll go build my own car... with blackjack and hookers. In fact, forget the car and the blackjack. Ahh, screw the whole thing.
XPcarguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2008, 09:27 AM   #6 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 108
Anyone else getting a lame advert in the side blocking the G force chart?
LoathUS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2008, 09:29 AM   #7 (permalink)
It's a Lotus
 
LARRY's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Beverly Hills, Ca.
Posts: 11,718
Forcefed Elise rocks!
__________________
2005 Saffron Yellow Elise, Sports & Touring Packages, Hard Top, Stage II Exhaust, '07 Probax leather seats.
"We know they're magical and worth every minute we spend on them. The whole Lotus owners' world is like a secret handshake among people who understand that." (R&T)
LARRY is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2008, 09:36 AM   #8 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Hanzo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 195
Quote:
Originally Posted by XPcarguy View Post
You can't always assume a direct relationship between "newer" and "better" with F1 cars. The safety gods occasionally throw monkey wrenches into the equation to slow the cars down. Like when they abolished slicks, reduced engine size, etc.

That said, for any type of car, mechanical grip is almost entirely a factor of tire compound. One exception being karts where it's a factor of tire compound and how well the driver keeps the inside rear off the ground.

Also, I'd suspect the F1 car was affected by lack of speed (downforce) and lack of tire temp. I'd suspect the same thing (lack of heat in tires) of the kart.

On another note, where is the stupid "close" button for that annoying pop-over that blocks the top half of the list?
I know every year FIA tries to slow down F1 cars by new rules however, engineers seem to outsmart it every year. The current F1 running V8 with no traction/launch control are turning out faster lap times than when they were running V10 with traction/launch control couple years ago.

Back in the early 90s when Williams was winning with the FW15C, it was consider one of the most sophisticated F1 ever build however, even with it's active suspension and slick tires it's still no match to modern F1 cars.

This test is definitely testing tire/mechanical grip but it does prove modern gokart pulls more Gs at slow corner situation than a F1 car from the early 80s.

BTW next year slick tires are back in F1, can't wait to see them run.
__________________
"It's good for me, it's good for the team."
Hanzo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2008, 09:46 AM   #9 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Timmah's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: San Antonio, TX
Posts: 380
Quote:
Originally Posted by LoathUS View Post
Anyone else getting a lame advert in the side blocking the G force chart?
Yep. Using firefox here and it squashed the first few lines.
Timmah is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2008, 10:04 AM   #10 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Hanzo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 195
Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmah View Post
Yep. Using firefox here and it squashed the first few lines.
Using IE with no problem.
__________________
"It's good for me, it's good for the team."
Hanzo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2008, 10:06 AM   #11 (permalink)
Registered User
 
sonnythebull's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Newmarket,ON
Posts: 263
kart numbers are whacky...my 6 speed 125 shifter pulls higher than 1.39 g...i know because it broke my ribs
sonnythebull is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2008, 05:00 PM   #12 (permalink)
Interloper
 
John Stimson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Sunnyvale, CA
Posts: 1,407
My Miata used to pull nearly 1.3g on Kumho V710s. Stock springs, stiffer front swaybar.
__________________
2005 S2000 #42as
John Stimson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2008, 07:39 PM   #13 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Hanzo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 195
Quote:
Originally Posted by John Stimson View Post
My Miata used to pull nearly 1.3g on Kumho V710s. Stock springs, stiffer front swaybar.
I'm pretty sure they are testing it on a skidpad going in circle.
__________________
"It's good for me, it's good for the team."
Hanzo is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

  LotusTalk - The Lotus Cars Community > Community > Other Cars and Comparisons



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 12:43 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.1.0