ReVerie vs Fujita - LotusTalk

Weedo · 06-18-2007, 09:33 PM

Are there any sound or performance differences between the two?

cbelon · 06-18-2007, 10:26 PM

What is it 35MM Film?

Dietrich · 06-18-2007, 10:49 PM

Yes, the reverie does not sound as loud until you get on the 2nd cam. The Fujita is louder.

Weedo · 06-18-2007, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dietrich

Yes, the reverie does not sound as loud until you get on the 2nd cam. The Fujita is louder.

Interesting. I have both and plan to install one or the other and stick with it. One is $500, the other $200. Not sure if there is enough of a difference to really be worth the extra dough.

cbelon - Thanks for your input... go away now.

Serebo1 · 06-18-2007, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by cbelon

What is it 35MM Film?

35mm film would probably provide the same performance benefits.

Weedo · 06-18-2007, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Serebo1

35mm film would probably provide the same performance benefits.

I see by your signature what Intake you're running: ***** intake (TBA)

Serebo1 · 06-18-2007, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Weedo

I see by your signature what Intake you're running: ***** intake (TBA)

Yup...Anyone care to play Hangman?

Weedo · 06-18-2007, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Serebo1

Yup...Anyone care to play Hangman?

Two wasted posts on this thread but no input??

Serebo1 · 06-18-2007, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Weedo

Two wasted posts on this thread but no input??

Okay, then, here it is. I can't speak about my intake at this point - I will soon. In broad terms, I'll say that IMO, while most CAI's are great noisemakers, I believe some will show gains until the Lotus ECU (unaltered) learns, leaning out the engine a bit. Charlie and some others could probably add more here than me...

raggedy1 · 06-18-2007, 11:33 PM

there have been plenty of discussions on CAIs and their perceived performance gains.

I can say I have a Fujita and like the sound. Never a CEL. Simple for me. Don't expect any true HP gains and you'll be happy.

Weedo · 06-19-2007, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by raggedy1

there have been plenty of discussions on CAIs and their perceived performance gains.

I can say I have a Fujita and like the sound. Never a CEL. Simple for me. Don't expect any true HP gains and you'll be happy.

Yep, I'm not expecting much of any power gains. Some of the intakes will sound quite different than others (like an exhaust). Since I have both I was hoping to put one on and sell the other, but it doesn't sound like there is too much of a difference even though the prices of the two are very different.

catapult · 06-19-2007, 10:26 AM

I think Randy posted something a while ago after fairly extensive testing that the stock box actually performed better than some of the aftermarket CAIs. I'd do some more searching. A could be wrong on Randy's results so someone pipe in if that is the case.

Weedo · 06-19-2007, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by catapult

I think Randy posted something a while ago after fairly extensive testing that the stock box actually performed better than some of the aftermarket CAIs. I'd do some more searching. A could be wrong on Randy's results so someone pipe in if that is the case.

I've tested at least a dozen intakes over the years on various cars/trucks and never saw a loss of power. The worst I ever tested was a 1hp increase (which is within the tolerance of being equal) but it still sounded great compared to the sound of nothing that the stocker had. The other factor is many of the CAI's tested on the dyno don't show any gains since you're not producing the kind of cooler air or wind that you would at say, 50mph. Even the fans used don't reproduce that.

LotusUSA · 06-19-2007, 10:56 AM

I go for the K&N/Green filter + velocity funnel. It's the best!

Randy Chase · 06-19-2007, 11:02 AM

We did indeed do testing and found up to a 9hp loss (or something close to that). The best results were the Lotus supplied one, snorkel removed, green filter. I do not bother with the Velocity stack. I don't think it is needed. Removing the snorkel also gets a nice amount of sound.

waydui · 06-19-2007, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Randy Chase

The best results were the Lotus supplied one, snorkel removed, green filter. Removing the snorkel also gets a nice amount of sound.

+1 What Randy said...

I used a K&N Filter and have been very happy with the sound improvement.

Regards,
Wayne

Weedo · 06-20-2007, 10:29 PM

I installed the Fujita today and I have to say WOW this thing sounds incredible! My exhaust is stock (for the moment) so you really get to hear every bit of volume from the intake. After having the wheel off and the inner fender off, I finally got a clear view of what kind of flow the filter will get from the side vents. It's a clean shot for the air/wind; straight through to the filter.

Seeing how this setup works, I can't imagine a loss of power. Sure, maybe sitting on the dyno where the engine/filter/tubes get heat soaked with a fan blowing on the front of the car, but out on the road there's no chance of that. A 9hp loss is something I would put hard money on to see. We've all seen the other dyno's of 1-8hp gains which may be from the car running slightly leaner with the new intake. But I gaurantee you're going to see some gain out on the road with any aftermarket intake on these cars. The factory snorkel seems to be a bit of a joke considering how much open air an open filter can get when driving. The snorkel is pretty small with some bends to try to pull the air up.

I spoke with Sector111 about the difference between the two intakes. They said the power gain (although small) was the same for both intakes. The sound is essentially the same too. It's the materials that make up the ReVerie that adds to the cost (which isn't a bad thing).

I've had enough hi-po cars to know that the butt-o-meter can lie, but the car just screams so much better that the feeling and sound of speed is SO MUCH better than the stock box. Without question I'd recommend an intake for the noise alone.

Anyway, this is an internet forum and there's always talk one way or the other, but I give this mod the big thumbs up.

Next up...... Larini with the SE tips. I can't wait to see how much power I lose with this one!!

charliex · 06-20-2007, 10:47 PM

I wouldn't put money on it, many of us have seen the loss, street and dyno'd.

The stock box is excellent.

Weedo · 06-20-2007, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by charliex

I wouldn't put money on it, many of us have seen the loss, street and dyno'd.

The stock box is excellent.

I will put $500 that any of these Intakes will not lose 9hp over the stock box. I've done this way too many times with way too many cars and this is no different. Well, other than the fact that the aftermarke intake on the Elise will actually bring in the outside air better than most cars. It absolutely does not make sense for a loss of power, again, unless we're talking about sitting on a dyno with a heat soaked motor.

Edit: Charlie, when you make it down to Phoenix to tune my car, we could do a little test. If I win, the tune is free. If you win, I'll double the cost of the tune!! :-)

charliex · 06-20-2007, 10:56 PM

sure how do you want to wire the money? (said that before the edit)

it makes perfect sense if you know why it does.

06-18-2007, 09:33 PM	#1 (permalink)
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06-18-2007, 10:49 PM	#3 (permalink)
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06-18-2007, 11:33 PM	#10 (permalink)
raggedy1 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: belmont Posts: 3,796	there have been plenty of discussions on CAIs and their perceived performance gains. I can say I have a Fujita and like the sound. Never a CEL. Simple for me. Don't expect any true HP gains and you'll be happy. __________________ It's Delux son, Delux. It's not that hard. http://itsdeluxson.com/

06-19-2007, 10:56 AM	#14 (permalink)
LotusUSA The Architect Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Fishers, IN Posts: 537	I go for the K&N/Green filter + velocity funnel. It's the best! __________________ "More power makes it fast on the straight, less weight makes it fast everywhere." - Colin Chapman 2006 BRITISH RACING GREEN EXIGE 2005 SAFFRON YELLOW ELISE (R.I.P.)

06-19-2007, 11:02 AM	#15 (permalink)
Randy Chase El Jefe - Agent 111 Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: San Diego and where ever the roads lead Posts: 23,946 Images: 761	We did indeed do testing and found up to a 9hp loss (or something close to that). The best results were the Lotus supplied one, snorkel removed, green filter. I do not bother with the Velocity stack. I don't think it is needed. Removing the snorkel also gets a nice amount of sound. __________________ *** V E R I T A S * A E Q U I T A S *** We have been feeling the buzz since 2002 2006 Noble M400. Getrag tranny, Quaiffe LSD, Hinged clams. Duratec dual turbo V6. Hoosier 315-18 tires. 2350 pounds. 0-60mph in 2.9 seconds. ..is a stranger in an open car. Tempt you in and drive you far away

06-18-2007, 10:26 PM	#2 (permalink)
cbelon HellsBells Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 422	What is it 35MM Film?

06-19-2007, 10:26 AM	#12 (permalink)
catapult Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,250	I think Randy posted something a while ago after fairly extensive testing that the stock box actually performed better than some of the aftermarket CAIs. I'd do some more searching. A could be wrong on Randy's results so someone pipe in if that is the case.

06-20-2007, 10:29 PM	#17 (permalink)
Weedo Follow the ****** Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Chandler, AZ Posts: 99	I installed the Fujita today and I have to say WOW this thing sounds incredible! My exhaust is stock (for the moment) so you really get to hear every bit of volume from the intake. After having the wheel off and the inner fender off, I finally got a clear view of what kind of flow the filter will get from the side vents. It's a clean shot for the air/wind; straight through to the filter. Seeing how this setup works, I can't imagine a loss of power. Sure, maybe sitting on the dyno where the engine/filter/tubes get heat soaked with a fan blowing on the front of the car, but out on the road there's no chance of that. A 9hp loss is something I would put hard money on to see. We've all seen the other dyno's of 1-8hp gains which may be from the car running slightly leaner with the new intake. But I gaurantee you're going to see some gain out on the road with any aftermarket intake on these cars. The factory snorkel seems to be a bit of a joke considering how much open air an open filter can get when driving. The snorkel is pretty small with some bends to try to pull the air up. I spoke with Sector111 about the difference between the two intakes. They said the power gain (although small) was the same for both intakes. The sound is essentially the same too. It's the materials that make up the ReVerie that adds to the cost (which isn't a bad thing). I've had enough hi-po cars to know that the butt-o-meter can lie, but the car just screams so much better that the feeling and sound of speed is SO MUCH better than the stock box. Without question I'd recommend an intake for the noise alone. Anyway, this is an internet forum and there's always talk one way or the other, but I give this mod the big thumbs up. Next up...... Larini with the SE tips. I can't wait to see how much power I lose with this one!! __________________ 2006 Alpine White Elise Touring, Starshield, Hard Top, Black Package, Traction Control, Fujita, Larini SE's

06-20-2007, 10:47 PM	#18 (permalink)
charliex disproving HD MTBF daily Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Las Vegas , NV Posts: 8,290	I wouldn't put money on it, many of us have seen the loss, street and dyno'd. The stock box is excellent. __________________ Black Exige S - http://goth.am 265 Mule / Elan M100 ECU Tuning, http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39660 Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling with a pig in mud. After a while, you realise the pig is enjoying it.

06-20-2007, 10:56 PM	#20 (permalink)
charliex disproving HD MTBF daily Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Las Vegas , NV Posts: 8,290	sure how do you want to wire the money? (said that before the edit) it makes perfect sense if you know why it does. __________________ Black Exige S - http://goth.am 265 Mule / Elan M100 ECU Tuning, http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39660 Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling with a pig in mud. After a while, you realise the pig is enjoying it.

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