ELISE ver EXIGE PERFORMANCE - LotusTalk

argento f360 · 04-04-2006, 05:43 AM

I was on Ferrari chat and sombody had a thread going on the ZO6 track performance ver EXIGE BLA BLA BLA. What came up that I was not aware of is it true that the ELISE has higher top end then EXIGE?????146VER149MPH..Any performance differences besides this???? The down force being the big deal with the EXIGE for track performance....

Stan · 04-04-2006, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by argento f360

I was on Ferrari chat and sombody had a thread going on the ZO6 track performance ver EXIGE BLA BLA BLA. What came up that I was not aware of is it true that the ELISE has higher top end then EXIGE?????146VER149MPH..Any performance differences besides this???? The down force being the big deal with the EXIGE for track performance....

I think those are figures from Lotus. One of the magazines doubts that the Exige can hit 146 MPH. It was in a Cayman S VS Exige article where they found much higher top speeds on the straights for the German car. Claimed top speed for the Lotus cars: mid to upper 140s. Calimed top speed for the Porsche 171 MPH and they tend to be conservative there.

Here is that article: http://coochas.com/porsche/caymanarticles.html#4 At Road Atlanta the Porsche reached top speeds about 17 MPH higher than the Exige. Well, the P-car has over a 100 extra HP, lower aerodynamic drag, nearly double the torque and so forth. The Exige ate up the twisty elements better, and felt totally planted, had great feel, they felt.

mark.r · 04-04-2006, 05:05 PM

I am surprised that the Cayman has a lower drap value?!?!?

raggedy1 · 04-04-2006, 08:37 PM

in the car&driver article where they compared the exige and caymanS, it listed the exige as having a GOVERNED top speed of 147mph (mfg claimed).

i never read anything about the Elise having a governed top speed.

PsychoRallye · 04-04-2006, 08:39 PM

Governed by wind and lack of torque that is...

raggedy1 · 04-04-2006, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by PsychoRallye

Governed by wind and lack of torque that is...

yup, that's what I was thinking. hmm, isn't HP and drag the determining factor for top speed?

PsychoRallye · 04-04-2006, 08:51 PM

Ahhh whatever it's late

Buz · 04-04-2006, 09:41 PM

Lotus claims 147 for Exige and 150 for the Elise. Both might be a few mph optimistic. The Cayman has a better cd than the Exige or Elise but I would bet at least the Elise is as slippery due to lower frontal area and narrower tires.

badhorse · 04-04-2006, 10:50 PM

I have run several track days in my LSS equipped Elise with a pair of Exiges and an Elise equipped with the standard suspension. All cars well driven by members of this forum. IMHO the difference in performance amoung all three versions of this car is much less than what most people think. I would be surprised if there is a second per lap difference between any of these four cars at either the 2.2 mile or the 3.8 mile course at Spring Mtn.

jplotus · 04-17-2006, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by badhorse

I have run several track days in my LSS equipped Elise with a pair of Exiges and an Elise equipped with the standard suspension. All cars well driven by members of this forum. IMHO the difference in performance amoung all three versions of this car is much less than what most people think. I would be surprised if there is a second per lap difference between any of these four cars at either the 2.2 mile or the 3.8 mile course at Spring Mtn.

Bad horse i disagree with you. I think the difference is more or less 2-3 seconds per lap.Next time I'm at the track we will time the diffrences.

Stan · 04-17-2006, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by badhorse

I have run several track days in my LSS equipped Elise with a pair of Exiges and an Elise equipped with the standard suspension. All cars well driven by members of this forum. IMHO the difference in performance amoung all three versions of this car is much less than what most people think. I would be surprised if there is a second per lap difference between any of these four cars at either the 2.2 mile or the 3.8 mile course at Spring Mtn.

The base supended car does not get near the respect it should. It is quite capable and a better choice if your car will see much street time.

badhorse · 04-17-2006, 02:52 PM

I cold not agree more Stan. JPLOTUS I will see You at Spring Mtn next month and We will see.

jplotus · 04-17-2006, 03:10 PM

This sounds fun. With all do respect I had a elise and the amount of inside wheel spin alone will cause a time discrepancy in several of those tight corners. The exige can handle the tight turns better and accelerate quicker out of those turns. See you there!!

kverges · 04-18-2006, 07:35 AM

Too bad you yo-yos aren't in Sunny Texas ;-) I can assure you the Exige is no more than 1 sec faster and IMO no faster on any course of about 2 miles. A normal driver is not going to be able to exploit the downforce of the Exige as well as the lower weight and drag of the Elise. And the base suspension, open diff car does quite well.

Stan · 04-18-2006, 07:46 AM

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I cold not agree more Stan. JPLOTUS I will see You at Spring Mtn next month and We will see.

Base Elise can EASILY beat a C6 Z06 on it's street tires at autocross for example. Cuz the Vettes can't power-down well at all without better meats. Things change with more open venues but my point is that the base car is a terrific handling car and is much more civilized in ride, noise, harshness and tire economy than the sport stuff which is more of a streetable track setup. Base is a trackable street setup.

sleepless · 04-18-2006, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jplotus

This sounds fun. With all do respect I had a elise and the amount of inside wheel spin alone will cause a time discrepancy in several of those tight corners. The exige can handle the tight turns better and accelerate quicker out of those turns. See you there!!

Is that a difference between the Elise vs. Exige or simply between a non-LSD vs. LSD car? I don't understand why an equally equiped Elise and Exige would exhibit different inside wheel-spin characteristics on tight turns???

jplotus · 04-18-2006, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by sleepless

Is that a difference between the Elise vs. Exige or simply between a non-LSD vs. LSD car? I don't understand why an equally equiped Elise and Exige would exhibit different inside wheel-spin characteristics on tight turns???

Yes you are right the lsd is the biggest difference as well as the adjustable sway bar and adjustable shocks. As for the guy in Texas we welcome everyone in Vegas. as the saying goes"What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas" SMMp is a great 3.2 mile technical track . See you there.

badhorse · 04-18-2006, 09:58 AM

Jim, He called us YO-YOs!

jplotus · 04-18-2006, 11:11 AM

[quote=badhorse]Jim, He called us YO-YOs!

[/QUOT
No big deal we will entertain all at the track.

Val · 04-18-2006, 12:08 PM

lol

you guys make me laugh! you think that extra 30 kg downforce @ 100 mph - extra drag on a 900 kg car are going to make a 3 sec difference???

only on high speed oval track. maybe.

note that most elises (at least here in eu) come with potenzas and exiges come with yokos. this makes a big difference indeed.

also, some of you mentioned that cayman has lesser cd then exige. that might well be so, but dont forget that aerodynamics is cd*AREA.

04-04-2006, 05:43 AM	#1 (permalink)
argento f360 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: ocean city nj Posts: 18	ELISE ver EXIGE PERFORMANCE I was on Ferrari chat and sombody had a thread going on the ZO6 track performance ver EXIGE BLA BLA BLA. What came up that I was not aware of is it true that the ELISE has higher top end then EXIGE?????146VER149MPH..Any performance differences besides this???? The down force being the big deal with the EXIGE for track performance....

04-04-2006, 05:05 PM	#3 (permalink)
mark.r Makin' house calls . . . Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Leesburg, VA Posts: 2,610	I am surprised that the Cayman has a lower drap value?!?!? __________________ DRS Tuned FF275 '06 Exige - Sold My racing prediction for '09 . . . the Japanese guy on the Italian bike and the Italian guy on the Japanese bike.

04-04-2006, 08:37 PM	#4 (permalink)
raggedy1 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: belmont Posts: 3,822	in the car&driver article where they compared the exige and caymanS, it listed the exige as having a GOVERNED top speed of 147mph (mfg claimed). i never read anything about the Elise having a governed top speed. __________________ It's Delux son, Delux. It's not that hard. http://itsdeluxson.com/

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PsychoRallye 05 Mag Blue LSS/HT Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Wherever you go, there you are. Posts: 797	Governed by wind and lack of torque that is... __________________ "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." - Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

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PsychoRallye 05 Mag Blue LSS/HT Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Wherever you go, there you are. Posts: 797	Ahhh whatever it's late __________________ "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." - Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

04-04-2006, 09:41 PM	#8 (permalink)
Buz Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,920	Lotus claims 147 for Exige and 150 for the Elise. Both might be a few mph optimistic. The Cayman has a better cd than the Exige or Elise but I would bet at least the Elise is as slippery due to lower frontal area and narrower tires.

04-04-2006, 10:50 PM	#9 (permalink)
badhorse SRRT/PHOENIX Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: las vegas nv Posts: 453	I have run several track days in my LSS equipped Elise with a pair of Exiges and an Elise equipped with the standard suspension. All cars well driven by members of this forum. IMHO the difference in performance amoung all three versions of this car is much less than what most people think. I would be surprised if there is a second per lap difference between any of these four cars at either the 2.2 mile or the 3.8 mile course at Spring Mtn.

04-17-2006, 02:52 PM	#12 (permalink)
badhorse SRRT/PHOENIX Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: las vegas nv Posts: 453	I cold not agree more Stan. JPLOTUS I will see You at Spring Mtn next month and We will see.

04-17-2006, 03:10 PM	#13 (permalink)
jplotus Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,219 Images: 1	This sounds fun. With all do respect I had a elise and the amount of inside wheel spin alone will cause a time discrepancy in several of those tight corners. The exige can handle the tight turns better and accelerate quicker out of those turns. See you there!! __________________ www.lotuschallengeseries.com

04-18-2006, 07:35 AM	#14 (permalink)
kverges Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Dallas Posts: 927	Too bad you yo-yos aren't in Sunny Texas ;-) I can assure you the Exige is no more than 1 sec faster and IMO no faster on any course of about 2 miles. A normal driver is not going to be able to exploit the downforce of the Exige as well as the lower weight and drag of the Elise. And the base suspension, open diff car does quite well.

04-18-2006, 09:58 AM	#18 (permalink)
badhorse SRRT/PHOENIX Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: las vegas nv Posts: 453	Jim, He called us YO-YOs!

04-18-2006, 11:11 AM	#19 (permalink)
jplotus Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,219 Images: 1	[quote=badhorse]Jim, He called us YO-YOs![/QUOT No big deal we will entertain all at the track. __________________ www.lotuschallengeseries.com

04-18-2006, 12:08 PM	#20 (permalink)
Val Nothing Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Moscow Posts: 1,997	lol you guys make me laugh! you think that extra 30 kg downforce @ 100 mph - extra drag on a 900 kg car are going to make a 3 sec difference??? only on high speed oval track. maybe. note that most elises (at least here in eu) come with potenzas and exiges come with yokos. this makes a big difference indeed. also, some of you mentioned that cayman has lesser cd then exige. that might well be so, but dont forget that aerodynamics is cd*AREA.

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