Lotus Exige 2009 260 'S' - Page 11 - LotusTalk

MTribe · 03-28-2009, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robains

#1 fix fuel slosh problem
#2 either drop rev limit to 7,800 or upgrade the valves

Rob, good points... unfortunately I don't know enough about Lotus' testing to know to what standards they design and test.

Seems like we have a couple design issues:

- fuel starvation
This seems very widely reported. Seems like a biggy.

- rev limit?
Are others dropping valves at high RPM on factory stock motors, or was this more of a fluke? Do we know this was definitely an RPM-induced thing?

And a bonus...

- oil starvation
A Moroso pan seems like an easy add for a track pack, and Rob, I think your data shows a pan works just fine for most conditions, versus an accusump? Is it possible you have more precise and extensive data under varied conditions than Lotus does? Maybe they'd like to see your data?

theob, yes, it'd be fabulous if you could get some feedback from Lotus on these items!

These seem like relatively simple issues for Lotus to address, versus transmissions failing or something, and sound like they could make a huge difference.

robains · 03-28-2009, 09:01 PM

Theo,

Can't hurt, but I suspect Lotus are well aware of those issues.

And for the record, I do love the S260 -- because I point out issues with the Lotus engine please don't read that as I don't like my car, or the S260, hell if the Evora S comes out I might even sell my S for one

So I hope I'm not coming out as too negative on Lotus, I'm really just trying to point out a few issues that really could make this car better for all. As I've said before, I got no issues with the CYA warranty.

theob · 03-30-2009, 06:48 AM

Rob,

Since I've talked with them during my recent trip to the factory in mid-March, I know they're obviously aware of all of these issues.

However, we'd like to have their recommendations about these "tracking" issues, and I think we're going to have some interesting replies!

robains · 03-30-2009, 07:54 AM

Theob,

Thanks for following up on this and putting in the effort. I'm certainly interested in their response as I have "real data" (data logging and video evidence and pictures) to back up my issues (which they are more than welcome to obtain from me if they so desire).

As far as valve tips breaking -- has happened to many of the folks here on this forum (certainly the folks that track their cars). Also, if you look at the TSB history on the 2ZZ motor (from Toyota) it would indicate the 2ZZ rpm limit fluctuated over the span of the motors life (which is now no longer in active service) and finally ended at 7,800 rpm for the last year run.

Rob.

shay2nak · 03-30-2009, 10:22 AM

you mean rev limiter kicked in at 7800 for the last year run?

robains · 03-30-2009, 11:00 AM

Yes for 2005 last year run it was 7800. I posted the changing rev limit of the 2ZZ over the entire life of it's usage in Toyota cars along with TSBs in another thread a few months ago.

2001 - 8400
2002 - 7800
2003 - 8400 (TSB on rocker shaft bolt)
2004 - 8400
2005 - 7800

MTribe · 03-30-2009, 09:17 PM

Rob, do you have a link to that post?

ding · 03-31-2009, 02:46 PM

Hopefully I can get one next year, I perfer Lotus green

STL Motorsports · 04-02-2009, 10:26 AM

OKAY....Hold on to your coffee cup...she's here !

* * * * Buy me! You know you want me ! I will make you happy ! Buy me from Adrian Hill @ Lotus St. Louis 636-449-0000 today !* * * *

Just email Adrian Hill at Lotus St. Louis and he will ship me to your garage within two working days ! >>> adrian@bentleystl.com

robains · 04-02-2009, 10:40 AM

You can easily get 32 highway mpg with "normal" driving. Just and FYI, looks great.

Rob

theob · 04-02-2009, 01:24 PM

Adrian,

Thank you

for temporarily easing my "pain" of waiting to get my own Exige Cup 260 early next month! Your car is fabulous and the pics you took showed us some very interesting details!

IsellLotus · 04-02-2009, 01:31 PM

Nice pics!!

I have a CO coming this month!!!

MickOpalak · 04-02-2009, 01:49 PM

Shame about the colour.

STL Motorsports · 04-03-2009, 08:31 AM

Shame about the color !?!? well, I know colors are subjective , but.....

This thread started as a poll by which Lotus talk members chose the color ! You chose Chrome Orange by majority votes Lotus talk readers ....Now buy it ! It's a babe !

Oh well.... ! It will find a home soon. Lot's of interested parties...no trigger pullers as of this morning.

P.S...I also have a Canyon Red 260 Sport available to me ( currently ducking waves on a boat about 1/2 way across the pond! ) and a Storm Titanium ( in production ) at the factory. These 3 will be it though....no more cars then.

Cheers all !

Adrian Hill @ Lotus St. Louis

adrian@bentleystl.com adoinfl@yahoo.com

JoshS · 04-03-2009, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STL Motorsports

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Didn't read all the pages, so if someone brought this up, my bad. Renounce means reject, was this really an official press release? Does renounce have a different meaning for "Brits?" Just seems kinda weird.

STL Motorsports · 04-03-2009, 08:59 AM

I'll keep this thread alive until it sells......!

** Buy me for I am cool and very Orange and carbon fiber drips from me * *

LotusGreenville · 04-03-2009, 10:15 AM

Looks great Adrian! You getting a Canyon Red for stock? Good to know.

ding · 04-07-2009, 06:15 PM

Isotope Green was great... I hope I can get one.

Harix · 04-07-2009, 07:21 PM

Absolutely gorgeous

shay2nak · 04-07-2009, 10:58 PM

damn that's nice.

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03-28-2009, 09:01 PM	#202 (permalink)
robains 2007 Exige S Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: CA, Bay Area Posts: 1,819	Theo, Can't hurt, but I suspect Lotus are well aware of those issues. And for the record, I do love the S260 -- because I point out issues with the Lotus engine please don't read that as I don't like my car, or the S260, hell if the Evora S comes out I might even sell my S for one So I hope I'm not coming out as too negative on Lotus, I'm really just trying to point out a few issues that really could make this car better for all. As I've said before, I got no issues with the CYA warranty. __________________ '07 Exige S (Track Pack & LSD) + EFi 550ci injectors + Mahle 9:1 + DRS Port + SuperTech Valves + Weapon R Header + 2.9" pully + TODA Clutch + FF Engine Damper + RLS IC + Greddy catch cans + opened roof slot + RTD brace + Milled steering arms + Larini 8" + FF air intake + Moroso oil pan + Ultradisc 2 piece front/rear + Reverie 1650mm wing + ReVerie front splitter + IQ3 Dash + 4pt ASM + Pioneer AVIC-N2 nav + rear camera + RAC monolites 888s 195/225 + Lotus LSS Hoosier R6 205/225 @ 1921 lbs

03-30-2009, 06:48 AM	#203 (permalink)
theob My Cup 260 is here! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Athens, Greece Posts: 277	Rob, Since I've talked with them during my recent trip to the factory in mid-March, I know they're obviously aware of all of these issues. However, we'd like to have their recommendations about these "tracking" issues, and I think we're going to have some interesting replies! __________________ Theo Greek Lotus Club Admin www.lotusclub.gr

03-30-2009, 07:54 AM	#204 (permalink)
robains 2007 Exige S Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: CA, Bay Area Posts: 1,819	Theob, Thanks for following up on this and putting in the effort. I'm certainly interested in their response as I have "real data" (data logging and video evidence and pictures) to back up my issues (which they are more than welcome to obtain from me if they so desire). As far as valve tips breaking -- has happened to many of the folks here on this forum (certainly the folks that track their cars). Also, if you look at the TSB history on the 2ZZ motor (from Toyota) it would indicate the 2ZZ rpm limit fluctuated over the span of the motors life (which is now no longer in active service) and finally ended at 7,800 rpm for the last year run. Rob. __________________ '07 Exige S (Track Pack & LSD) + EFi 550ci injectors + Mahle 9:1 + DRS Port + SuperTech Valves + Weapon R Header + 2.9" pully + TODA Clutch + FF Engine Damper + RLS IC + Greddy catch cans + opened roof slot + RTD brace + Milled steering arms + Larini 8" + FF air intake + Moroso oil pan + Ultradisc 2 piece front/rear + Reverie 1650mm wing + ReVerie front splitter + IQ3 Dash + 4pt ASM + Pioneer AVIC-N2 nav + rear camera + RAC monolites 888s 195/225 + Lotus LSS Hoosier R6 205/225 @ 1921 lbs Last edited by robains : 03-30-2009 at 08:01 AM.

03-30-2009, 10:22 AM	#205 (permalink)
shay2nak I <3 chicken, I <3 liver Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Land of da 1000 Oaks, CA Posts: 15,042	you mean rev limiter kicked in at 7800 for the last year run? __________________ save ~10 lbs gain 1 hp EQ: Y=(190X) / (1984-X) where Y is (HP) and X is (lbs) '07 EXIGE S * MY CAR ** VIDEOS! '08 ACURA TSX 6-speed http://www.makeNYNYagain.com

03-30-2009, 11:00 AM	#206 (permalink)
robains 2007 Exige S Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: CA, Bay Area Posts: 1,819	Yes for 2005 last year run it was 7800. I posted the changing rev limit of the 2ZZ over the entire life of it's usage in Toyota cars along with TSBs in another thread a few months ago. 2001 - 8400 2002 - 7800 2003 - 8400 (TSB on rocker shaft bolt) 2004 - 8400 2005 - 7800 __________________ '07 Exige S (Track Pack & LSD) + EFi 550ci injectors + Mahle 9:1 + DRS Port + SuperTech Valves + Weapon R Header + 2.9" pully + TODA Clutch + FF Engine Damper + RLS IC + Greddy catch cans + opened roof slot + RTD brace + Milled steering arms + Larini 8" + FF air intake + Moroso oil pan + Ultradisc 2 piece front/rear + Reverie 1650mm wing + ReVerie front splitter + IQ3 Dash + 4pt ASM + Pioneer AVIC-N2 nav + rear camera + RAC monolites 888s 195/225 + Lotus LSS Hoosier R6 205/225 @ 1921 lbs

03-30-2009, 09:17 PM	#207 (permalink)
MTribe Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 302	Rob, do you have a link to that post? __________________ Lotus Sport Elise #24 71 TR6

03-31-2009, 02:46 PM	#208 (permalink)
ding Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 20	Hopefully I can get one next year, I perfer Lotus green __________________ 车子鞋子还有女子就是咱的面子

04-02-2009, 10:26 AM	#209 (permalink)
STL Motorsports Elise Driver Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: St. Louis,MO Posts: 174	OKAY....Hold on to your coffee cup...she's here ! *** * * * Buy me! You know you want me ! I will make you happy ! Buy me from Adrian Hill @ Lotus St. Louis 636-449-0000 today !* * * * Just email Adrian Hill at Lotus St. Louis and he will ship me to your garage within two working days ! >>> adrian@bentleystl.com** Last edited by STL Motorsports : 04-02-2009 at 10:38 AM.

04-02-2009, 10:40 AM	#210 (permalink)
robains 2007 Exige S Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: CA, Bay Area Posts: 1,819	You can easily get 32 highway mpg with "normal" driving. Just and FYI, looks great. Rob __________________ '07 Exige S (Track Pack & LSD) + EFi 550ci injectors + Mahle 9:1 + DRS Port + SuperTech Valves + Weapon R Header + 2.9" pully + TODA Clutch + FF Engine Damper + RLS IC + Greddy catch cans + opened roof slot + RTD brace + Milled steering arms + Larini 8" + FF air intake + Moroso oil pan + Ultradisc 2 piece front/rear + Reverie 1650mm wing + ReVerie front splitter + IQ3 Dash + 4pt ASM + Pioneer AVIC-N2 nav + rear camera + RAC monolites 888s 195/225 + Lotus LSS Hoosier R6 205/225 @ 1921 lbs

04-02-2009, 01:24 PM	#211 (permalink)
theob My Cup 260 is here! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Athens, Greece Posts: 277	Adrian, Thank you for temporarily easing my "pain" of waiting to get my own Exige Cup 260 early next month! Your car is fabulous and the pics you took showed us some very interesting details! __________________ Theo Greek Lotus Club Admin www.lotusclub.gr

04-02-2009, 01:31 PM	#212 (permalink)
IsellLotus Elise Guru Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Gaithersburg, Maryland Posts: 1,402	Nice pics!! I have a CO coming this month!!! __________________ Dan Drayton Internet Sales Specialist Criswell Automotive 301-212-4432 direct 301-461-6292 cell ddrayton@criswellauto.com www.criswellauto.com

04-02-2009, 01:49 PM	#213 (permalink)
MickOpalak Prez: The K.G.B. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 5,302	Shame about the colour. __________________ 2007 Exige S265 - Krypton Green - Gotham 265 ECU - Volk TE37s - Toyo R888s - B&M Shifter - QuickSilver exhaust - stripes - harnesses - Pagid pads - Green air filter 2002 Jaguar XKR convertible 2000 BMW 528i President - Lotus Limited Southeast http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/LLSE/

04-03-2009, 08:31 AM	#214 (permalink)
STL Motorsports Elise Driver Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: St. Louis,MO Posts: 174	Shame about the color !?!? well, I know colors are subjective , but..... This thread started as a poll by which Lotus talk members chose the color ! You chose Chrome Orange by majority votes Lotus talk readers ....Now buy it ! It's a babe ! Oh well.... ! It will find a home soon. Lot's of interested parties...no trigger pullers as of this morning. P.S...I also have a Canyon Red 260 Sport available to me ( currently ducking waves on a boat about 1/2 way across the pond! ) and a Storm Titanium ( in production ) at the factory. These 3 will be it though....no more cars then. Cheers all ! Adrian Hill @ Lotus St. Louis adrian@bentleystl.com adoinfl@yahoo.com

04-03-2009, 08:59 AM	#216 (permalink)
STL Motorsports Elise Driver Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: St. Louis,MO Posts: 174	I'll keep this thread alive until it sells......! ** Buy me for I am cool and very Orange and carbon fiber drips from me * *

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04-03-2009, 10:15 AM	#217 (permalink)
LotusGreenville Greenville, SC Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 93 Images: 5	Looks great Adrian! You getting a Canyon Red for stock? Good to know.

04-07-2009, 06:15 PM	#218 (permalink)
ding Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 20	Isotope Green was great... I hope I can get one. __________________ 车子鞋子还有女子就是咱的面子

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Harix Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 52	Absolutely gorgeous

04-07-2009, 10:58 PM	#220 (permalink)
shay2nak I <3 chicken, I <3 liver Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Land of da 1000 Oaks, CA Posts: 15,042	damn that's nice. __________________ save ~10 lbs gain 1 hp EQ: Y=(190X) / (1984-X) where Y is (HP) and X is (lbs) '07 EXIGE S * MY CAR ** VIDEOS! '08 ACURA TSX 6-speed http://www.makeNYNYagain.com