BWR Supercharger Kit - Page 11 - LotusTalk

charliex · 11-26-2007, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by PhoneBoy

How about just providing the correct brand injectors that don't need to be spliced.

Correct meaning ones that don't need to be spliced, or correct meaning injectors that have been tested over and over and over again with this application ?

Again hardly anyone has asked for it, if they had, the kit would have been modified appropriately.

PhoneBoy · 11-26-2007, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by charliex

Correct meaning ones that don't need to be spliced, or correct meaning injectors that have been tested over and over and over again with this application ?

Correct as in both.

In other words, injectors with the correct connector to fit the OEM wiring.

OMHO it doesn't make sense to start cutting and soldering, like MacGyver turned mechanic, when there are better ways of doing this. This seems like an oversight for what sounds like a great kit.

I would expect that a company like sector 111 would update the kit.

Bavarian Motorist · 11-26-2007, 12:49 PM

Maybe I missed it in this thread, but what boost is this kit running at? My mechanic wants to know...

Thanks

LordZ · 11-26-2007, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by PhoneBoy

OMHO it doesn't make sense to start cutting and soldering, like MacGyver turned mechanic, when there are better ways of doing this. This seems like an oversight for what sounds like a great kit.

While I don't like cutting wiring when it's not needed, I would much rather have a well known injector that requires a splice over a cheap ebay special with the right connector.

Not all injectors are created equal...

Randy Chase · 11-26-2007, 12:53 PM

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Maybe I missed it in this thread, but what boost is this kit running at? My mechanic wants to know...

Are you asking about the BWR kit? Or are we all still talking about another kit?

If so, it runs the same as the stock Exige S.

PhoneBoy · 11-26-2007, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by LordZ

While I don't like cutting wiring when it's not needed, I would much rather have a well known injector that requires a splice over a cheap ebay special with the right connector.

Not all injectors are created equal...

Agree - Quality injectors with the correct OEM connector.

charliex · 11-26-2007, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by PhoneBoy

Correct as in both.

In other words, injectors with the correct connector to fit the OEM wiring.

OMHO it doesn't make sense to start cutting and soldering, like MacGyver turned mechanic, when there are better ways of doing this. This seems like an oversight for what sounds like a great kit.

I would expect that a company like sector 111 would update the kit.

You can't have both, since there are no other injectors that have had the same amount of testing in this application, we'd have to change them, then install them on as many kits again and see if its got the same results. Given the number of people that have required them, that'd be a lot of work for not much in return.

They're also not off ebay, nor are the harnesses, they're OEM connectors.

It makes perfect sense to me, the existing injectors work and have been tested a lot, its two wires per injector and you can cut off the old ones, with enough wire to cut off the new ones later, and rewire new the stock ones (if you decided to return the car to stock )with no issues at all.

If you don't want to do that, use a conversion harness or a kit that doesn't change the connector, or even choose to change the injector type yourself, either way the problem is solved.

Bavarian Motorist · 11-26-2007, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Randy Chase

Are you asking about the BWR kit? Or are we all still talking about another kit?

If so, it runs the same as the stock Exige S.

Thanks...didn't realize how off-topic we were

LordZ · 11-26-2007, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by charliex

They're also not off ebay, nor are the harnesses, they're OEM connectors.

Just so we are clear I didn't say any part of the kit was from ebay.

Just mentioned that since I'd rather a known good injector (RC Engineering has always been a fairly decent one) over some of the upgrades that are online, I think Venom was one we had tons of problems with in the TTZ side of things.

We did start using Nismo (Nippon Denso) and SARD though for the higher power cars. SARD always required a splice, Nismo was plug and play but then again it's a Nissan company.

RC Engineering were pretty good, but we always sent them off to be balanced and flow tested just in case, especially if used.

charliex · 11-26-2007, 02:42 PM

I realise LordZ, i just wanted to make it clear to everyone else too

SARD is something i've been looking at recently.

PhoneBoy · 11-26-2007, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by charliex

You can't have both, since there are no other injectors that have had the same amount of testing in this application, we'd have to change them, then install them on as many kits again and see if its got the same results. Given the number of people that have required them, that'd be a lot of work for not much in return.

That was (sort of) my point. Why not select an injector that fits the OEM connector (and has the desired specs, of course) first, then do your testing.

just my 2 cents.

charliex · 11-26-2007, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by PhoneBoy

That was (sort of) my point. Why not select an injector that fits the OEM connector (and has the desired specs, of course) first, then do your testing.

just my 2 cents.

Well unfortunately i don't have a time machine to go back and do the last two or so years again, the current injectors were choosen for valid reasons, the different connectors were weighed as part of the choice, and so far in those two years, no serious issues with that choice.

I'm not sure why you think scratching the current injectors and restarting trials with customers superchargers would weigh well against a theoretically possible problem in cutting 8 wires, even if it is twice so that you can return it to stock.

Sure if it were a problem that needed to be fixed, then it'd be done, but so far you've been the only person i know of thats been adamant about it, and i see the other solutions i gave you as viable alternatives for you, so at the end of the day i see no issue, certainly not one that'd require a restart of research and development.

RC also sells conversion harnesses,, but if i recall correctly i don't know if they had the exact combo, they said they did, but others disagree.

LordZ · 11-26-2007, 03:01 PM

Feed type, flow pattern, lots of variables in an injector other than connector types.

We had great results with the SARD 800cc's. Of course they came with nice bling billet fuel rails too which is why alot of the guys went with them. But the Nismo were rock solid too. Just the largest they had were 740's... Personally I never needed anything above a 555, 4 digit HP numbers just weren't my thing.

Anyone know what the BWR kit is coming with injector wise? The RC from the Greddy kit or something else?

PhoneBoy · 11-26-2007, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by charliex

Well unfortunately i don't have a time machine to go back and do the last two or so years again, the current injectors were choosen for valid reasons, the different connectors were weighed as part of the choice, and so far in those two years, no serious issues with that choice..

Perhaps if we could find a Delorean ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by charliex

I'm not sure why you think scratching the current injectors and restarting trials with customers superchargers would weigh well against a theoretically possible problem in cutting 8 wires, even if it is twice so that you can return it to stock.

Sorry - not saying that at all. In an ealier post you mentioned just swapping the injectors with comparable ones but with the OEM connctor. Sounded easy (to me at least

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Ol'Racer · 11-26-2007, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Randy Chase

Are you asking about the BWR kit? Or are we all still talking about another kit?

If so, it runs the same as the stock Exige S.

Are the stock "S" injectors Bosch, Seimans, Delphi, Lucas, etc.?

charliex · 11-26-2007, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by PhoneBoy

Perhaps if we could find a Delorean ...

Sorry - not saying that at all. In an ealier post you mentioned just swapping the injectors with comparable ones but with the OEM connctor. Sounded easy (to me at least

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with equivalent not comparable ones, just just have to find them and match all the parameters lordz listed.

my friend has a delorean with a lotus engine, its a start.

scottyb · 11-26-2007, 05:52 PM

Anyone who has completed a SC install would probably tell you that it's not worth there time, effort, and skin on their knuckles to return the car back to stock.

Splicing 8 wires and soldering is a piece of cake. splicing them back is as easy. All you need is some shrink wrap, soldering iron and some solder. That was the easiest part of the install.

Ol'Racer · 11-27-2007, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Ol'Racer

Are the stock "S" injectors Bosch, Seimans, Delphi, Lucas, etc.?

Anyone know?

JUNGLISTluder · 11-27-2007, 09:27 AM

If I bought this kit without knowing the injectors were not Plug and Play, I would be seriously mad.

Cutting the fuel injector harness is completely unacceptable to me, and may even prevent me from purchasing this kit!

I don't care how easy it is to splice/cut/solder/etc....for a $5500 kit, I would at least expect adapters or PnP injectors....

LordZ · 11-27-2007, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JUNGLISTluder

If I bought this kit without knowing the injectors were not Plug and Play, I would be seriously mad.

Cutting the fuel injector harness is completely unacceptable to me, and may even prevent me from purchasing this kit!

I don't care how easy it is to splice/cut/solder/etc....for a $5500 kit, I would at least expect adapters or PnP injectors....

They can probably offer the adapters extra. But that just doubled the number of connectors that could get corroded, bent blades, or just not have full contacts on them. While this car is still new in the US, I have had numberous problems with older cars (6-12 years) and their connectors. On Z's it was a normal occurance to have to cut an injector or coilpack harness wire to solder on a new one. In fact I kept spare ones in the glove box with a cordless soldering iron. Had to use them a few times on friends vehicles too.

Heat and age can tear these things up easily, espeically if they are laying ontop of the manifold which has to be done for all these kits. While the adapters will probably just fine, I would be concerned over time with multiplying your points of failure. Just ask anyone who has installed an AFC and went with vampire clamps over cut,splice,solder...

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Bavarian Motorist Live to Drive Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Rye, NY Posts: 8,347	Maybe I missed it in this thread, but what boost is this kit running at? My mechanic wants to know... Thanks __________________ Driving a Lotus Exige with sticky... performance tires on icy roads or in standing water is about as much fun as walking a high wire treated with WD-40 - Car & Driver BWR supercharged... I suppose I "got the power" now??

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JUNGLISTluder High Roller Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 691 Images: 6	If I bought this kit without knowing the injectors were not Plug and Play, I would be seriously mad. Cutting the fuel injector harness is completely unacceptable to me, and may even prevent me from purchasing this kit! I don't care how easy it is to splice/cut/solder/etc....for a $5500 kit, I would at least expect adapters or PnP injectors.... __________________ 06 Lotus Elise - AR/Blk, Touring, Premium, TC, HT, DRL Delete, X-Pel, TS Pro1 Exhaust, TS Pro1 Intake, BBmod, Saikou Michi OCC, 6000k HIDs, Stealth Bulbs, 07+ Letters, Re-grooved Bilsteins, LG Stone Guards, CR Engine Covers, S111 Folding Tow Hook, FF CF Spoiler, 17" PIAA FR-7s, CharlieX 06 ECU V2.0, Greddy/BOE Supercharger 88 BMW 528is - Blue/Llama Beige, M20 stroker motor, Alpina SW, 3.73 LSD, BavAuto Springs, Bilstein Sports, M3 SSK, 16x8 BBS, 225/245 tires, shadowline

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11-26-2007, 03:01 PM	#213 (permalink)
LordZ 06 SY Exige Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 597	Feed type, flow pattern, lots of variables in an injector other than connector types. We had great results with the SARD 800cc's. Of course they came with nice bling billet fuel rails too which is why alot of the guys went with them. But the Nismo were rock solid too. Just the largest they had were 740's... Personally I never needed anything above a 555, 4 digit HP numbers just weren't my thing. Anyone know what the BWR kit is coming with injector wise? The RC from the Greddy kit or something else?

11-26-2007, 05:52 PM	#217 (permalink)
scottyb Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 3,564	Anyone who has completed a SC install would probably tell you that it's not worth there time, effort, and skin on their knuckles to return the car back to stock. Splicing 8 wires and soldering is a piece of cake. splicing them back is as easy. All you need is some shrink wrap, soldering iron and some solder. That was the easiest part of the install.

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