BWR Supercharger Kit

[Green Hornet]

It's interesting to see others are having an issue with the muffler "pushing away" from the cat pipe. Mine has done the same. The difuser halted the migration, but now it rattles like hell.

Anyone have any solutions for a better clamping solution or modification to the rods which hold up the muffler to keep them from moving

[robb373]

Originally Posted by Green Hornet

It's interesting to see others are having an issue with the muffler "pushing away" from the cat pipe. Mine has done the same. The difuser halted the migration, but now it rattles like hell.

Anyone have any solutions for a better clamping solution or modification to the rods which hold up the muffler to keep them from moving

I have three small beads of weld on the pipe at the clamp which can be ground off anytime easily to remove the muffler but keeps it in place. I have also seen someone drill a hole and place a small screw to hold it but it sheared off in about 10 laps on the track.

[mlk_f1]

Originally Posted by Green Hornet

It's interesting to see others are having an issue with the muffler "pushing away" from the cat pipe. Mine has done the same. The difuser halted the migration, but now it rattles like hell.

Anyone have any solutions for a better clamping solution or modification to the rods which hold up the muffler to keep them from moving

That happened to me after installing my Larini DeCat pipe. My solution was remove the stock Band Clamp from my Stage II. Replace it with one of these baby below:


And then I used a Pipe Expander to make the overall diameter a little bigger for a snug fit over the Stage II on the Larini DeCat pipe end.


I never experience the problem again after that.

[Whiskey]

I've been reading about the BWR SC and believe I want to buy and install the unit. I was a little worried about installing myself, but forum users have seemed to reduce my fears.

Maybe I am just ignorant of the effects on the system, but I don't believe in a free lunch. So, what bottleneck is introduced with a SC? Try to make this simple for me.

Does it really need a different exhaust? Meaning, I would be really limiting the potential of the SC with stock exhaust.

If i install a BWR SC, what basic additional "Stage 2" components are available that match or compliment the SC. BWR throttle body?

Can I change the throttle body and add a SC without changing the exhaust?

With exhaust and throttle body and SC, what about the tune on the ECU?

Thirsty for throaty clean power,

[jim-clayton]

Step one. Install SC. It will work great with stock components.
You can change exhaust and other parts down the road when you get bored. Adding the BWR SC will give you that "new car experience"

[Whiskey]

I had better buy some "supercharged" stickers. I am placing an order.

Edit : PLACED ORDER

Removed ECU tonight and will overnight it so I can get an update before PES takes a week vacation. This has become a time crunch. Hopefully all will be installed this weekend.

[skottoman]

Dood, take lotsa pix and post a HowTo. Good Luck!
Cheers,
Skottoman

[Jean-Paul]

can someone please remind me what pulley size does bwr wear ? also is it true that in new releases of BWR kits the alternator is relocated as in katana ?

[fzust]

Originally Posted by Jean-Paul

can someone please remind me what pulley size does bwr wear ? also is it true that in new releases of BWR kits the alternator is relocated as in katana ?

3.4" pulley. I believe still the same as the Katana. Alternator is same location as it always has been, relocated to replace the idler pulley and simplify belt routing.

[Whiskey]

well... Here I am at step 90, the manifold is off. I started this morning, around 10am est. Half way through the directions with only a 45 min break and some time to write this. Everything is going fairly smooth so far. If I were doing this a second time I'd be a lot faster. Most of my time is making sure I am matching up with the pictures and text. Hopefully I will be done before Saturday night live is on.

Notes.
Step 81, just bend the bracket slightly back so you can get a socket wrench in there. I messed with that tab for too long before I realized how simple it would be to pull the bracket back to unscrew the EVAP. BWR gives you a new bracket anyway, so just bend it back and unbolt.

BTW, you don't have to know what an EVAP is to follow directions. Its all in the pictures. The same can be said about any component. I really feel like this is a great lesson in basic 2zz repair. Reminds me of my days in Dallas changing oil at a Quicky Lube. I didn't know what I was doing then. Just a bald monkey with a wrench and a smile.

Back to work.

PS... I hate removing clips... I am sure they are great to put on, but pushing in or pulling on tiny tabs while simultaneously pulling and wiggling a plug just flat out sucks.


PS2... installing and aligning the alternator has been exhausting.... still at 121 OF 170

[Jean-Paul]

just stay in there til lyou fnish and let us know how it went !! LOL

what have you done with the ecu ? have you already sent it to bwr ?

[Whiskey]

BWR SC is in and running. I finished today at around 4:00 with the hookups and testing. I just played a round of golf in my Elks league and have come back to install the trunk lid and the rear diffuser. So here's my "install review" before buttoning up the car.

Overall, the project took probably 20hrs over 3 days. I spent a lot of time making sure I was locating the correct connector, bolt, or nut. I also spent an exhausting 2+ hours trying to maneuver and fit the alternator.(clam on) This install was done by myself, alone, except when I asked my g-friend to push the lower alternator bolt into position while I pressed upward to align the alternator with a spacer.. Upon reflection, I think I could have easily done the install in a lot less time had I known each part and components' location, maybe even half the time. I had no clue what I was doing, I was simply putting A to B and unplugging C from D. Just follow the directions and look at the pictures. Read ahead, and view pictures far in advance so you know why you are doing what you are doing. The first step is for removing the ECU and ship it prior to installing the kit. Actually, PES had my ECU prior to receiving the kit from BWR. I purchased from BWR on Tuesday, sent an ECU Wed. and received on Fri. from PES along with the SC from BWR. Just ask BWR to email a manual before you get the kit. That gave me time to send off the ECU before I received the SC, plus it gives you time to do a read through and see all of the tools, lube, etc.

Thank BWR for the pictures to walk me through the process. I admit that I am a novice at engine anything, but the step by step procedures help you do things you didn't know you had in you. Seriously, I was so damn happy and proud firing up that engine today, after learning and pushing myself through each step. Not a leak and it was readily drivable.

Yes, I had to buy tools and make several trips to the store for things that may have not been included on the list and not in my tool collection. Torque wrench, socket extender, petroleum jelly...etc.... But, I didn't spend $1200 paying someone to mess with my car, and don't compound your rough hourly wage into this calculation to justify an outside installer, wussy. Pull back your ability to spend money for your ability to translate and work a new language and physical function. I spent my time learning about this engine and the car's components along the way. I seriously ask all owners without hood time to complete this task. The specificities of this install manual would make me hesitate trusting anyone else with the details of the install. Do it yourself. Some don't need this challenge, but I stand by the feeling of doing the install.

Thanks to Fred for immediatley answering today during fire up. I was surprised and concerned about the sound of the injectors, but was assured by his knowledge that the sound was correct and everything was clean. Its funny how closely I listened to the engine after start up, as if I remembered to listen before I started the project.

For those curious about the injector cover. The exact line to cut is apparent when you flip the cover over. Just run a marker along the groove and up the last curve. I taped a wooden paint stick on the underside as a guide while cutting. Then simply cut the underside along the rear bend with a roto-zip (high powered dremel type tool), where all of the curves for the manifold are. I then cut along the last curve, drivers side, to leave a "leg" on the cover, even though I doubt it needs it. Some may not like covering up the SC, but after the lid is on, it will look very clean. BTW, Chuck Risen painted the covers for me as well as some other bits. His work is absolutely great. See here
FS: Painted Center Console (Plus)

I will post on this thread about the "power" at a later date. Time to update my signature.

Here are the before, after, and detail pics.

[Whiskey]

I drove last night and this morning for a "break in". Checked under the hood and everything seems to be fine. It feels really solid and sounds great. The tone of the car has deeper growl. After driving about a 100 miles since the install, I have finally revved the engine a bit. There is a lot of extra punch and that supercharger's whine is flat out addictive. The car feels very balanced for the power. The twisty roads that I occasionally travel were much easier to drive. Maybe its in my head, and maybe I don't remember, but I am not shifting as much. I just drive in 3rd most of the time. (really twisty sections of the roads) There is power a lot lower in the RPM range, which keeps me from shifting to 2nd.

Happy to have installed it. I'm impressed with the BWR kit's quality, instructions, support, and ultimately the performance so far. I only did a few WOT blips on the last stretch and the feeling just doesn't last long enough before you have to slow down. Intense.

Also, I noticed a post or two on moremonkey.com about all of the issues that the BWR kits have had. It's concerning to see such posts about an improper "tune" and how one guy was selling his sc after the engine was ruined. It all seems like obnoxious venom filled threads of hate over there. They even went after me, and I'm just a guest, but thats ok. Apparently I have "No f*in' common sense" and "No f*in' brains" because I bought a BWR supercharger. If the tune has a known issue, why not point it out specifically problem X. They surely have a copy of it. Problem X causes result Y. "PES tune causes blown engines" is not the detailed formula needed. What specifically is the PES tune doing different than Ronin's perfect tune? Or should I say f*ing perfect tune? Maybe it should be on another thread, maybe even on their site. I really just wanted a stronger car and it appeared that the sector111/charliex divide occurred when the BWR SC arrived. ForcedFed sells it, and BWR's seemed like the stable solution. I hope that the frothy mouths are just barking at the new dog.

[fzust]

Will,

Glad you're having fun! That has to be the cleanest engine bay I have ever seen, very nice!

Originally Posted by Whiskey

I drove last night and this morning for a "break in". Checked under the hood and everything seems to be fine. It feels really solid and sounds great. The tone of the car has deeper growl. After driving about a 100 miles since the install, I have finally revved the engine a bit. There is a lot of extra punch and that supercharger's whine is flat out addictive. The car feels very balanced for the power. The twisty roads that I occasionally travel were much easier to drive. Maybe its in my head, and maybe I don't remember, but I am not shifting as much. I just drive in 3rd most of the time. (really twisty sections of the roads) There is power a lot lower in the RPM range, which keeps me from shifting to 2nd.

Happy to have installed it. I'm impressed with the BWR kit's quality, instructions, support, and ultimately the performance so far. I only did a few WOT on the last stretch and the feeling just doesn't last long enough before you have to slow down. Intense.

[charliex]

Whiskey, if Fred gives me permission to post up the problems in the PES tunes i'd be happy too. My split from sector had nothing to do with BWR either, my split from them happened before BWR had a SC, it just wasn't public til later.

[dma550]

I would like to see too, I was just flashed by PES, I wonder if they have fixed the issue (as of a month ago)

What do you think Fred? Thanks

[ZTEC]

Originally Posted by Whiskey

It's concerning to see such posts about an improper "tune" It all seems like obnoxious venom filled threads of hate over there. They even went after me, and I'm just a guest, but thats ok. Apparently I have "No f*in' common sense" and "No f*in' brains" because I bought a BWR supercharger. If the tune has a known issue, why not point it out specifically problem X. They surely have a copy of it. Problem X causes result Y. "PES tune causes blown engines" is not the detailed formula needed. What specifically is the PES tune doing different than Ronin's perfect tune? Or should I say f*ing perfect tune? Maybe it should be on another thread, maybe even on their site. I really just wanted a stronger car and it appeared that the sector111/charliex divide occurred when the BWR SC arrived. ForcedFed sells it, and BWR's seemed like the stable solution. I hope that the frothy mouths are just barking at the new dog.

Your answer is right here!

Tune comparisons

Fred, Your response to Whiskey's concerns are

Originally Posted by fzust

Will,

Glad you're having fun! That has to be the cleanest engine bay I have ever seen, very nice!

Are you aware of the fact that BWR kit owners are dumping their PES tunes and what are you planning on doing with that knowledge - Are you aware of the fact that PES tunes are screwing up customers cars? As I mentioned on MM, Street driven cars will not be affected as quickly as a track vehicle but there is something terribly wrong with the PES tune and the information is out there but some choose to ignore it and hope they are not a victim or that they have some updated tune to protect them... Do you "Fred" know what Firmware PES is currently reflashing BWR ECU's with ??? Yes, Whiskey has an amazingly beautiful Engine bay - How about some information regarding the PES tune????
Pretty Please

[Whiskey]

In Fred's defense of his reply to my above post. I edited the post and added the paragraph about the PES tune on after his reply. He would not have read it in its current form. I found the reference to my purchase on the other site and thought I'd tie it together.

[fzust]

Originally Posted by ZTEC

Your answer is right here!

Tune comparisons

Fred, Your response to Whiskey's concerns are


Are you aware of the fact that BWR kit owners are dumping their PES tunes and what are you planning on doing with that knowledge - Are you aware of the fact that PES tunes are screwing up customers cars? As I mentioned on MM, Street driven cars will not be affected as quickly as a track vehicle but there is something terribly wrong with the PES tune and the information is out there but some choose to ignore it and hope they are not a victim or that they have some updated tune to protect them... Do you "Fred" know what Firmware PES is currently reflashing BWR ECU's with ??? Yes, Whiskey has an amazingly beautiful Engine bay - How about some information regarding the PES tune????
Pretty Please

Wow, what particular dog do you have in this hunt, fanboy? I posted as Whiskey said, long before he edited his post. There is nothing "terribly wrong" with the PES tune as you say. If you have some first-hand real knowledge and you would like to discuss, call me. Fine. This post was Whiskey talking about how he liked his car and you are fear-mongering for cheap kicks.

[ZTEC]

Originally Posted by fzust

Wow, what particular dog do you have in this hunt, fanboy? I posted as Whiskey said, long before he edited his post. There is nothing "terribly wrong" with the PES tune as you say. If you have some first-hand real knowledge and you would like to discuss, call me. Fine. This post was Whiskey talking about how he liked his car and you are fear-mongering for cheap kicks.

Cheap kicks? I have much better things to do with my time - Are you aware of the problems PES tuned cars are experiencing? Just because I have a Katana doesn't make me a "Fanboy", I will be the first one to post if my compression drops into the 100's! I have been giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are unaware that PES is selling a bad tune and unless it's discussed in an open forum more motors will suffer the same fate!
I was hoping the experts at PES could help you out on Charlies thread about the differences and why they used an N/A tune vs a S/C tune!