BWR to VF II - LotusTalk

rstutts · 07-06-2009, 12:38 PM

I am about to take the plunge and get a VF II. I already have a BWR and was wondering how many people out there have already done this. How much difference in power is there? I am not talking about numbers. I'm talking about how much difference it feels when you floor it.
I am also going to get the header ported and eliminate the cat. Any commits as far as a good or bad thing?
Thursday I am supposed to get a dyno of the before. I have read it will be somewhere around 225. After the install, I will do it again to get an after.

fpitas · 07-06-2009, 01:28 PM

I had the Katana, and it made a huge difference in how it drives. Here's the thread: Latest Install VF2 + Goodies!

Porting the header & deleting the cat will both help horsepower if you get a custom tune. Otherwise, you may end up running lean, especially from the cat delete. The stock header porting seems less problematic.

rstutts · 07-06-2009, 02:49 PM

Is your Saikou Michi dual catch can for the blow by oil. Since I am doing all this stuff starting next week, and have the clam off, I may do the catch can also.

peahee · 07-06-2009, 03:29 PM

So I take it, BWR is not coming out with a stage 2 for their kit?

fpitas · 07-06-2009, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by rstutts

Is your Saikou Michi dual catch can for the blow by oil. Since I am doing all this stuff starting next week, and have the clam off, I may do the catch can also.

Yes, the catch can is nice even with the stock motor, but almost mandatory with an intercooler to keep oil mist from coating the inside of the intercooler and reducing its efficiency. The latest version of the Saikou Michi cans are an easy install.

sleepe · 07-06-2009, 07:10 PM

I went from na to vf2, but I'm sure you will be happy especially because the power is consistent with the IC.

rstutts · 07-07-2009, 05:36 AM

Where did you get the catch cans and roughly how much did they cost?

fpitas · 07-07-2009, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by rstutts

Where did you get the catch cans and roughly how much did they cost?

Everything you need to know:
Oil Catch Cans - to your Elise in 30 minutes or less

I think I paid $120 or so, but that's been a while. I haven't seen a better catch can in the meantime.

stinkyonion · 07-07-2009, 06:03 AM

I bought the BWR and had it upgraded to VF2 before install, so technically cant tell you the difference between BWR and VF2. But I can promise you that you will like the howl on acceleration that comes with the VF2 from the cold air intake. The engine bay will be much more crowded from intercooler and pipes. The supercharger whine is minimal (drats). The acceleration went from Honda Civic quality to Corvette. No longer embarassed about lack of power.

I tried to buy the catch can like 3 months ago, no response ever. Not sure they still make. Later discovered that people who put them on removed them because of no significant output (ie Darksol).

fpitas · 07-07-2009, 06:53 AM

It's true that some engines have far less blow-by than others. YMMV. For myself, I'd rather err on the side of caution, and never have to worry about oil getting into the intake sysytem. It's a chore to properly clean the intercooler after it gets coated with oil internally. That, and oil can lead to detonation problems.

sleepe · 07-07-2009, 11:05 PM

I have the Saichua Michi (spelling?) cans. They work great as evinced by blowby oil accumulating in the bottom. Production cars don't have them because it would be one more system to maintain.

I drain them every oil change and get about a .25-.5 cup of oil depending on
how I've been driving.

I had them before supercharging with the vf2 kit and still get about the same amount. NA cars benefit also. \
-Robert

Darth G-F · 07-08-2009, 04:39 AM

I drove my Katana back to back with a VF2. Basically feeling wise there is not a big difference. Torque is so linear on both car, the VF2 doesn't feel that much more powerful.

When we drove both cars against each other, it was obvious the VF2 was a good deal faster. I'd say the VF2 pulls as hard as a Porsche GT3.

Jean · 07-08-2009, 05:32 AM

Jeff, you took the words out of my mouth.

07-06-2009, 12:38 PM	#1 (permalink)
rstutts Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Martin, TN Posts: 242	BWR to VF II I am about to take the plunge and get a VF II. I already have a BWR and was wondering how many people out there have already done this. How much difference in power is there? I am not talking about numbers. I'm talking about how much difference it feels when you floor it. I am also going to get the header ported and eliminate the cat. Any commits as far as a good or bad thing? Thursday I am supposed to get a dyno of the before. I have read it will be somewhere around 225. After the install, I will do it again to get an after. __________________ 2005 Solar Yellow Elise touring package, star shield, hard top, soft top, ACT HDSS clutch, Saikou Michi catch cans, LED tail lights and VF II, 288 whp () 2001 Green Toyota Tacoma, 4 x 4 2008 Red 5455 Massey Ferguson, 6 x 6, cab, ipod, GPS navigation, regular beer holder 2001 Yellow Cat D3G-LGP, custom made beer holder

07-06-2009, 01:28 PM	#2 (permalink)
fpitas User, Registered Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Leesburg, VA Posts: 1,827	I had the Katana, and it made a huge difference in how it drives. Here's the thread: Latest Install VF2 + Goodies! Porting the header & deleting the cat will both help horsepower if you get a custom tune. Otherwise, you may end up running lean, especially from the cat delete. The stock header porting seems less problematic. __________________ Francis 2006 Chrome Orange Elise: LSD/TC, Nitron SAs with 425/650 springs, BWR 7/8" Front Bar, Eliseparts bumpsteer kit, VF Stage 2, 2bular Header + Sport Cat + 8x24 GT3 Muffler, ECU Tune by Jermaine, Smaay's fuel rail, ACT XT clutch, Saikou Michi dual catch can, Moroso pan, Manly's mount inserts & FF Engine Damper 2000 Black Integra Type R: - 213,000 miles...running again!

07-06-2009, 02:49 PM	#3 (permalink)
rstutts Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Martin, TN Posts: 242	Is your Saikou Michi dual catch can for the blow by oil. Since I am doing all this stuff starting next week, and have the clam off, I may do the catch can also. __________________ 2005 Solar Yellow Elise touring package, star shield, hard top, soft top, ACT HDSS clutch, Saikou Michi catch cans, LED tail lights and VF II, 288 whp () 2001 Green Toyota Tacoma, 4 x 4 2008 Red 5455 Massey Ferguson, 6 x 6, cab, ipod, GPS navigation, regular beer holder 2001 Yellow Cat D3G-LGP, custom made beer holder

07-06-2009, 03:29 PM	#4 (permalink)
peahee www.wearescumbags.com Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: The Couve, Washington Posts: 768	So I take it, BWR is not coming out with a stage 2 for their kit? __________________ Peahee 05 Mag Blue Elise - And Now BWR SC'ed. Larini Silenced De-cat + Exhaust with SE tip, Euro Grill, DC Header, Gut Spoiler, Reverie Front Splitter, Pheonix Gold Audio System, V1/w Concealer, LidBone, JL Stealth Box, Driving lights, Micro Mirror, 4Tress Harness Bar, 5pt Schroth Racing Harness, Seat Grommets, Front + Rear Sector111 Toe Hooks, Battery bracket, Xenon HID Kit. Personal site: www.pugsby.com

07-06-2009, 07:10 PM	#6 (permalink)
sleepe Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Rehoboth Beach, DE Posts: 1,049	I went from na to vf2, but I'm sure you will be happy especially because the power is consistent with the IC. __________________ Elise'06ST:RAC/r888-Ultradiscs-Larini 8"-Braille-Saikou Michi cans-Nitron sportpro-RTVbrace-widened undertrays-manly's motor inserts-FF engine damper VF2

07-07-2009, 05:36 AM	#7 (permalink)
rstutts Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Martin, TN Posts: 242	Where did you get the catch cans and roughly how much did they cost? __________________ 2005 Solar Yellow Elise touring package, star shield, hard top, soft top, ACT HDSS clutch, Saikou Michi catch cans, LED tail lights and VF II, 288 whp () 2001 Green Toyota Tacoma, 4 x 4 2008 Red 5455 Massey Ferguson, 6 x 6, cab, ipod, GPS navigation, regular beer holder 2001 Yellow Cat D3G-LGP, custom made beer holder

07-07-2009, 06:03 AM	#9 (permalink)
stinkyonion Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Oak Brook, IL Posts: 242 Images: 2	I bought the BWR and had it upgraded to VF2 before install, so technically cant tell you the difference between BWR and VF2. But I can promise you that you will like the howl on acceleration that comes with the VF2 from the cold air intake. The engine bay will be much more crowded from intercooler and pipes. The supercharger whine is minimal (drats). The acceleration went from Honda Civic quality to Corvette. No longer embarassed about lack of power. I tried to buy the catch can like 3 months ago, no response ever. Not sure they still make. Later discovered that people who put them on removed them because of no significant output (ie Darksol). __________________ 2006 polar blue Elise, VF stage II, clam hinge, von Hep exhaust, HID, Zeitronix/Dashdaq (GPS, wideband O2, EGT, fuel+oil pressure), BWR fuel rail, moroso oil pan, HD SS clutch, RTV brace, green wire mod, harnesses, Oddysey 625, alpine pdx-5, jvc avx77 head unit, jl speakers, voltmeter on dash, custom gauge pod, etc.

07-07-2009, 06:53 AM	#10 (permalink)
fpitas User, Registered Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Leesburg, VA Posts: 1,827	It's true that some engines have far less blow-by than others. YMMV. For myself, I'd rather err on the side of caution, and never have to worry about oil getting into the intake sysytem. It's a chore to properly clean the intercooler after it gets coated with oil internally. That, and oil can lead to detonation problems. __________________ Francis 2006 Chrome Orange Elise: LSD/TC, Nitron SAs with 425/650 springs, BWR 7/8" Front Bar, Eliseparts bumpsteer kit, VF Stage 2, 2bular Header + Sport Cat + 8x24 GT3 Muffler, ECU Tune by Jermaine, Smaay's fuel rail, ACT XT clutch, Saikou Michi dual catch can, Moroso pan, Manly's mount inserts & FF Engine Damper 2000 Black Integra Type R: - 213,000 miles...running again!

07-07-2009, 11:05 PM	#11 (permalink)
sleepe Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Rehoboth Beach, DE Posts: 1,049	I have the Saichua Michi (spelling?) cans. They work great as evinced by blowby oil accumulating in the bottom. Production cars don't have them because it would be one more system to maintain. I drain them every oil change and get about a .25-.5 cup of oil depending on how I've been driving. I had them before supercharging with the vf2 kit and still get about the same amount. NA cars benefit also. \ -Robert __________________ Elise'06ST:RAC/r888-Ultradiscs-Larini 8"-Braille-Saikou Michi cans-Nitron sportpro-RTVbrace-widened undertrays-manly's motor inserts-FF engine damper VF2

07-08-2009, 04:39 AM	#12 (permalink)
Darth G-F Liberté! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Quebec City Posts: 1,442	I drove my Katana back to back with a VF2. Basically feeling wise there is not a big difference. Torque is so linear on both car, the VF2 doesn't feel that much more powerful. When we drove both cars against each other, it was obvious the VF2 was a good deal faster. I'd say the VF2 pulls as hard as a Porsche GT3. __________________ 2006 Ronin Supercharged Lotus Elise 2008 BMW 328Xi

07-08-2009, 05:32 AM	#13 (permalink)
Jean Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Québec, Canada Posts: 149	Jeff, you took the words out of my mouth.

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