Eyelise's TVS install - Page 2 - LotusTalk

Eyelise · 05-04-2009, 07:21 PM

Can anyone provide specifics on the adapters needed for the throttlebody bypass and the U hose elimination? The bypasses are mentioned in the directions and sound like a good idea.

turbophil · 05-04-2009, 07:29 PM

Sure, just disconnect the TB coolant lines and route one of the coolant lines back onto the head... You're essentially just taking the the TB out of the loop... On the U-bend, just cut the coolant hose that makes up that u bend and use it. It's already a formed hose that will work perfect for the task. It's much easier to understand once the intake id off the car, etc...

Lookin good

Phil

Eyelise · 05-04-2009, 08:01 PM

Thanks phil,

I guess you mean like this for U-tube:

Quote:

Originally Posted by turbophil

Sure, just disconnect the TB coolant lines and route one of the coolant lines back onto the head... You're essentially just taking the the TB out of the loop... On the U-bend, just cut the coolant hose that makes up that u bend and use it. It's already a formed hose that will work perfect for the task. It's much easier to understand once the intake id off the car, etc...

Lookin good

Phil

Eyelise · 05-04-2009, 08:03 PM

I'll get some photos of TB bypass as you suggested and post at a later date. I have a good idea of how it is to be done. The above photos are courtesy of Mainelotus.

jlj3394 · 05-04-2009, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkSol

I was offering "TVS test flights" yesterday at our mini KC GTG to some of the guys.

They all seemed to have bigass grins on their faces when they got back

It's an entirely different car... seriously!

I drove it. Car runs like a raped ape. You really can't describe it until you get behind the wheel. The power can be felt all through the power band.

If Lotus did this from the factory, they would double their sales.

sleepe · 05-05-2009, 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave

They really are easy to understand. You're going to love the TVS setup, it's amazing power. Happy to help out too via phone or PM. Best of luck with the install!

Dave,
Have you dyno'ed your tvs yet?

breinhar · 05-05-2009, 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eyelise

I'll get some photos of TB bypass as you suggested and post at a later date. I have a good idea of how it is to be done. The above photos are courtesy of Mainelotus.

Your install is looking great, your car looks like mine right now but I am mid BWR install. Anyway, dont mean to hijack your thread but, this whole coolant TB Bypass discussion, I just finished my BWR install on an 06. I dont recall seeing anything like this. Did lotus eliminate this with the DBW?

Thanks.

Dave · 05-05-2009, 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sleepe

Dave,
Have you dyno'ed your tvs yet?

This is a comparison v. my Katana (3.2 pulley) Note this TVS tune was one of the very first 'out of the box' maps and still produced 275+ whp, and I had throttle cut off lower at 8100 for safety. This was the 5th run in less than 25 minutes and the best too - the TVS is amazingly resistant to heat soak. Got my tune dialed in now and guessing it's near 290hp/190tq when I get back to the dyno.

jesterbot · 05-05-2009, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave

This is a comparison v. my Katana (3.2 pulley) Note this TVS tune was one of the very first 'out of the box' maps and still produced 275+ whp, and I had throttle cut off lower at 8100 for safety. This was the 5th run in less than 25 minutes and the best too - the TVS is amazingly resistant to heat soak. Got my tune dialed in now and guessing it's near 290hp/190tq when I get back to the dyno.

robains · 05-05-2009, 09:14 AM

I'm jealous!!

Congrats!

TVS is definitely the smart and cost effective choice to get to what I feel is the max the chassis/drivetrain can withstand in stock form. Without an IC you'll get even better throttle response and less weight.

To make my M62 deliver the same HP consistantly, I would need to add air/water charge cooler, water pumps, monitor pressure, etc. etc. -- a lot of weight for the same results as a TVS with no IC. TVS is a simple elegant solution, but so are most of Phil's solutions - top notch.

Rob

sleepe · 05-05-2009, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave

This is a comparison v. my Katana (3.2 pulley) Note this TVS tune was one of the very first 'out of the box' maps and still produced 275+ whp, and I had throttle cut off lower at 8100 for safety. This was the 5th run in less than 25 minutes and the best too - the TVS is amazingly resistant to heat soak. Got my tune dialed in now and guessing it's near 290hp/190tq when I get back to the dyno.

My Elise was dyno'd at vf on a dynopack @ 292whp and 186wtq.

How would these figures be different on a dynojet?

Estimates?

turbophil · 05-05-2009, 01:17 PM

Oh no

- Not the dyno wars again

Would be better on a different/new thread... Even on the TVS thread, but not this install thread...

Need to get back on topic-- quick!!!

Edit: Sleepe, No offense intended. This thread is just going wonkey...

robains · 05-05-2009, 01:43 PM

That Katana tune looks a little wacky there Dave. Nice and sorted on the TVS though.

Rob

slaughtr · 05-05-2009, 02:01 PM

Phil, are you selling a TVS kit?

Eyelise · 05-05-2009, 08:04 PM

Yup,

If we continue off subject nobody will be able to see my install posts. Not trying to be a downer, just want the thread to be useful for guys like me that need lots of help with the mechanical stuff. Maybe I could clean things up a bit later on if that doesn't offend anyone.

Quote:

Originally Posted by turbophil

Oh no

- Not the dyno wars again

Would be better on a different/new thread... Even on the TVS thread, but not this install thread...

Need to get back on topic-- quick!!!

Edit: Sleepe, No offense intended. This thread is just going wonkey...

EBTurbo · 05-05-2009, 08:18 PM

Phil, for the BWR kit conversion the alternator stays in the same spot or do you recommend to put it back and relocate the charcoal canister? what are your thoughts on this? hope this isn't too off topic.

EB Turbo

turbophil · 05-05-2009, 08:51 PM

Good Question...

For BWR kits, you move alternator back original location, as the alternator ties into the nose support for the blower. We provide the same simple bracket that we use on the Katana kit for charcoal canister relocation... Nothing too fancy, but functions plenty well and doesn't weigh a thing. Although with the EFI, I doubt anyone will run the canister

I'm starting to question whether to include the canister bracket at all...

Cheers,

Phil

Eyelise · 05-06-2009, 05:48 PM

Phil,

Would the charcoal canister be needed when we have to go for an inspection. I'll have to reconnect the OEM ECU once a year and swap out the fuel injectors but what about the charcoal canister?

Quote:

Originally Posted by turbophil

Good Question...

For BWR kits, you move alternator back original location, as the alternator ties into the nose support for the blower. We provide the same simple bracket that we use on the Katana kit for charcoal canister relocation... Nothing too fancy, but functions plenty well and doesn't weigh a thing. Although with the EFI, I doubt anyone will run the canister

I'm starting to question whether to include the canister bracket at all...

Cheers,

Phil

Eyelise · 05-06-2009, 05:54 PM

I've taken to working with the Lotus manual and the instructions side by side. The manual had a few good suggestions on decreasing the fuel pressure and volume. If your engine will not start like mine then just turning the engine over for 20sec will do or you can disconnect this safety lock

Eyelise · 05-06-2009, 06:01 PM

I found you need to disconnect the electrical connection to the VVT valve and the brackets for the coil wires to lift the fuel rail up and out of the way.

05-04-2009, 07:21 PM	#21 (permalink)
Eyelise Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mass Posts: 1,129	Coolant system bypasses Can anyone provide specifics on the adapters needed for the throttlebody bypass and the U hose elimination? The bypasses are mentioned in the directions and sound like a good idea. Last edited by Eyelise : 05-04-2009 at 08:07 PM.

05-04-2009, 07:29 PM	#22 (permalink)
turbophil Plug Whisperer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Kansas City/ Overland Park Posts: 2,544 Images: 6	Sure, just disconnect the TB coolant lines and route one of the coolant lines back onto the head... You're essentially just taking the the TB out of the loop... On the U-bend, just cut the coolant hose that makes up that u bend and use it. It's already a formed hose that will work perfect for the task. It's much easier to understand once the intake id off the car, etc... Lookin good Phil __________________ \| '05 GG LSS Elise \| A Track Chariot \| BOE ClamHinge \| BOE TVS SuperCharger 280whp/180wtq \| EFI Standalone Engine Management \| BOE Fuel Surge System \| BOE Lotus Tow Package See my car at BOE Fabrication: www.boefabrication.com *----->Last Updated: 9/25/2009* If something ain't worth doing right, it ain't worth doing... *Whoever thought working on a Lotus is hard, clearly hasn't tried it. Pick up a wrench and get some grease under your nails*

05-04-2009, 08:03 PM	#24 (permalink)
Eyelise Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mass Posts: 1,129	TB bypass I'll get some photos of TB bypass as you suggested and post at a later date. I have a good idea of how it is to be done. The above photos are courtesy of Mainelotus.

05-05-2009, 09:14 AM	#30 (permalink)
robains 2007 Exige S Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: CA, Bay Area Posts: 1,815	I'm jealous!! Congrats! TVS is definitely the smart and cost effective choice to get to what I feel is the max the chassis/drivetrain can withstand in stock form. Without an IC you'll get even better throttle response and less weight. To make my M62 deliver the same HP consistantly, I would need to add air/water charge cooler, water pumps, monitor pressure, etc. etc. -- a lot of weight for the same results as a TVS with no IC. TVS is a simple elegant solution, but so are most of Phil's solutions - top notch. Rob __________________ '07 Exige S (Track Pack & LSD) + EFi 550ci injectors + Mahle 9:1 + DRS Port + SuperTech Valves + Weapon R Header + 2.9" pully + TODA Clutch + FF Engine Damper + RLS IC + Greddy catch cans + opened roof slot + RTD brace + Milled steering arms + Larini 8" + FF air intake + Moroso oil pan + Ultradisc 2 piece front/rear + Reverie 1650mm wing + ReVerie front splitter + IQ3 Dash + 4pt ASM + Pioneer AVIC-N2 nav + rear camera + RAC monolites 888s 195/225 + Lotus LSS Hoosier R6 205/225 @ 1921 lbs

05-05-2009, 01:17 PM	#32 (permalink)
turbophil Plug Whisperer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Kansas City/ Overland Park Posts: 2,544 Images: 6	Oh no- Not the dyno wars again Would be better on a different/new thread... Even on the TVS thread, but not this install thread... Need to get back on topic-- quick!!! Edit: Sleepe, No offense intended. This thread is just going wonkey... __________________ \| '05 GG LSS Elise \| A Track Chariot \| BOE ClamHinge \| BOE TVS SuperCharger 280whp/180wtq \| EFI Standalone Engine Management \| BOE Fuel Surge System \| BOE Lotus Tow Package See my car at BOE Fabrication: www.boefabrication.com *----->Last Updated: 9/25/2009* If something ain't worth doing right, it ain't worth doing... *Whoever thought working on a Lotus is hard, clearly hasn't tried it. Pick up a wrench and get some grease under your nails*

05-05-2009, 01:43 PM	#33 (permalink)
robains 2007 Exige S Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: CA, Bay Area Posts: 1,815	That Katana tune looks a little wacky there Dave. Nice and sorted on the TVS though. Rob __________________ '07 Exige S (Track Pack & LSD) + EFi 550ci injectors + Mahle 9:1 + DRS Port + SuperTech Valves + Weapon R Header + 2.9" pully + TODA Clutch + FF Engine Damper + RLS IC + Greddy catch cans + opened roof slot + RTD brace + Milled steering arms + Larini 8" + FF air intake + Moroso oil pan + Ultradisc 2 piece front/rear + Reverie 1650mm wing + ReVerie front splitter + IQ3 Dash + 4pt ASM + Pioneer AVIC-N2 nav + rear camera + RAC monolites 888s 195/225 + Lotus LSS Hoosier R6 205/225 @ 1921 lbs Last edited by robains : 05-05-2009 at 02:21 PM.

05-05-2009, 02:01 PM	#34 (permalink)
slaughtr Big head man Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Boise, Idaho Posts: 5,953 Images: 3	Phil, are you selling a TVS kit? __________________ My car both sucks and blows. Now with added all natural smoky goodness!

05-05-2009, 08:18 PM	#36 (permalink)
EBTurbo Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 82	Phil, for the BWR kit conversion the alternator stays in the same spot or do you recommend to put it back and relocate the charcoal canister? what are your thoughts on this? hope this isn't too off topic. EB Turbo __________________ Guldstrand Motorsports Technician. Burbank, CA. PM for custom work and service quotes.

05-05-2009, 08:51 PM	#37 (permalink)
turbophil Plug Whisperer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Kansas City/ Overland Park Posts: 2,544 Images: 6	Good Question... For BWR kits, you move alternator back original location, as the alternator ties into the nose support for the blower. We provide the same simple bracket that we use on the Katana kit for charcoal canister relocation... Nothing too fancy, but functions plenty well and doesn't weigh a thing. Although with the EFI, I doubt anyone will run the canister I'm starting to question whether to include the canister bracket at all... Cheers, Phil __________________ \| '05 GG LSS Elise \| A Track Chariot \| BOE ClamHinge \| BOE TVS SuperCharger 280whp/180wtq \| EFI Standalone Engine Management \| BOE Fuel Surge System \| BOE Lotus Tow Package See my car at BOE Fabrication: www.boefabrication.com *----->Last Updated: 9/25/2009* If something ain't worth doing right, it ain't worth doing... *Whoever thought working on a Lotus is hard, clearly hasn't tried it. Pick up a wrench and get some grease under your nails*

05-06-2009, 05:54 PM	#39 (permalink)
Eyelise Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mass Posts: 1,129	Engine Bay preparation I've taken to working with the Lotus manual and the instructions side by side. The manual had a few good suggestions on decreasing the fuel pressure and volume. If your engine will not start like mine then just turning the engine over for 20sec will do or you can disconnect this safety lock Attached Images

05-06-2009, 06:01 PM	#40 (permalink)
Eyelise Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mass Posts: 1,129	I found you need to disconnect the electrical connection to the VVT valve and the brackets for the coil wires to lift the fuel rail up and out of the way. Attached Images

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