How hot does your Forcedfed Elise idle? - LotusTalk

madberries · 03-11-2007, 02:11 PM

Granted I live in florida, but my car seems to idle at around 208 - 210 degrees when sitting at a light for 4 - 5 minutes. I'm just curious what everyone else is reading for idle coolant temps. Also, my car happens to be one of the fortunate '05s to have only 1 oil cooler. If I track it, should I get a second oil cooler? I dont think it would make much of a difference idling, but when running hard it would probably help cool the car faster.

mark.r · 03-11-2007, 03:12 PM

During summer in VA I would not be surprised if my stock Exige idles at those temps if I sat at a traffic light for that long. That's a long time. I can say for certain when and under what circumstances, but I have seen 200+ temps in my car last summer. I am sure it was at light or stop and go traffic. Doesn't sound too strange to me. I would be interested in hearing what others had to say.

mark.r · 03-11-2007, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MyElise

Just idle it up to 1,500rpm and it will cool down to about 195 quickly.

??? Why, will the fan kick on?

Randy Chase · 03-11-2007, 03:50 PM

If would be good to get some feedback from ForcedFed.

madberries · 03-11-2007, 03:58 PM

It's not really that much of an issue on streets, since the car cools suprisingly well when cruising along at 60+ mph. But I was curious since I will be tracking my car soon. I would rather prevent problems before I run into them. I was just wondering if this was normal. I think the fan kicks in at full speed around 210 degrees, correct?

kaz · 03-11-2007, 03:59 PM

All of our cars cool way better with lots of air moving through it...your car will run cooler on a track than sitting in traffic, way cooler.

madberries · 03-11-2007, 04:04 PM

That is true, but then again I'm not constantly running the car at 7 - 8k rpms on the street. I guess the question should be, at what point would a second oil cooler be necessary for extended track usage?

25psi_Elise_Killer · 03-11-2007, 04:21 PM

I don't own an Exige, but my water temp is about 175 F in normal driving, track i'm around 200-220degrees. And my tuner setup my water temp gauge to beep/warn me if i exceed 230 degrees.

For my oil temps i'm around 170 F in normal driving 240-250 on the track. And i have gauge warning indicator set at 260

Forcedfed · 03-11-2007, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MyElise

No. The extra revs will allow the waterpump to bring the flow rate up to normal levels.

We have not seen problems with radiator heat here in California even during the summer with our 380 or with any of our customers cars that I am aware of.

May I suggest checking your cooling system for possible air being trapped. There is a procedure you can follow that will help clear the air from the system.

Call us at the shop too and we can talk in more detail and maybe help you to clear this up.

mark.r · 03-12-2007, 05:42 AM

jplotus lives in Vegas and I can't imagine anyone having to deal with more heat than he does on his FF340R.

ZTEC · 03-12-2007, 05:53 AM

These cars are great in the cooling department - I just did a track event and never saw coolant temps on track above 196 but it would creep up to over 205 in the paddock while I had no air blowing through. I agree with FF and check the system for air but I think your probably OK - Keep an eye on the levels and top off with Water Wetter. How about a ride

slaughtr · 03-12-2007, 06:41 AM

I haven't had mine in the summer yet and here in Boise it's still pretty cool. What I've noticed is that the temp changes much more, and over a greater range than the normally aspirated car. While sitting, it will rise to the low 190's (again this is in cool Boise temps) and when I start moving again the temp will drop 10 degrees or so.

madberries · 03-12-2007, 08:03 AM

I have actually bled the air from the pressurized coolant reservoir, and this did help a little. I also understand there is another place to bleed the air from the coolant in the driver's rear wheel well. However, at the time I didn't think it was necessary to bleed. I will try that out to see if it helps some.

Yeah, water wetter is good stuff, I was actually going to pick some up today. Anyway, I'd be happy to give rides, just hit me up if you are in the east orlando area. I've been in the process of running endurance tests, so you might have seen me zipping around

So far it seems very reliable and stable. Despite the idle temps, my power delivery seems pretty consistant.

slope · 03-12-2007, 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madberries

I have actually bled the air from the pressurized coolant reservoir, and this did help a little. I also understand there is another place to bleed the air from the coolant in the driver's rear wheel well. However, at the time I didn't think it was necessary to bleed. I will try that out to see if it helps some.

Yeah, water wetter is good stuff, I was actually going to pick some up today. Anyway, I'd be happy to give rides, just hit me up if you are in the east orlando area. I've been in the process of running endurance tests, so you might have seen me zipping around

So far it seems very reliable and stable. Despite the idle temps, my power delivery seems pretty consistant.

Hey I'm in the cocoa beach area, and I loved to get a ride or maybe just pick your brains about the car. I've been looking at getting this kit for a while now but first I'd like to see it and talk to an owner about it. Also did you get it installed here in central florida? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Chris

madberries · 03-12-2007, 09:43 AM

Sure, I actually installed it myself with the help of a friend. The installation was pretty straight-forward, although the instructions were kind of missing some detail here and there. In the end my car came out pretty professional looking (i dont think any place around here could have done a better job). It just took longer than I expected it to, with many moments of cursing. A hydrolic lift would have definitely come in handy. My car pushes fairly hard now, but I haven't had a chance to get it dyno tuned yet. I was making 173whp on a dynojet (at titan motorsports) with the stock elise. So, it will be interesting to see what I'm making now. I can tell you that based on gtech hp charts, that it's showing a 44% increase in power when comparing my stock runs to the turbo runs. Not sure how accurate that is though, so I guess take that with a grain of salt.

Casey · 03-12-2007, 10:17 AM

Sorry for the delayed response....ET won't let me log in from my house

It sounds like you are having issues with an air bubble in the cooling system. Bleeding the sytem using the factory bleed valves is very innefficient and will take forever to actually get all the air out of the sytem. The best thing to do is to is have the system filled with a vaccum filling machine to ensure that every bit of air is out of the system.

madberries · 03-12-2007, 10:28 AM

No problem... Oh yeah, it took forever to bleed what i could out of the pressurized reservior side. I had to open and close that bleeder valve many times before it would actually begin to let coolant fill to the top. I'm sure there are probably still some air bubbles, so I will try what you suggest. Do you know if air can get trapped near the other bleeder valve on the hose going to the radiator? I was just wondering, because why else would there be two places to bleed air from?

Andrikos · 03-12-2007, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randy Chase

If would be good to get some feedback from ForcedFed.

Randy stop defending them. We all know you make hundred$ of $k$ off of them.

People, take notice if this thread disappears all of a sudden!

Casey · 03-12-2007, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrikos

Randy stop defending them. We all know you make hundred$ of $k$ off of them.

People, take notice if this thread disappears all of a sudden!

So...you are implying what?

Andrikos · 03-12-2007, 02:06 PM

It's an inside joke.

Randy is accused of "inside dealings" and deleting threads to "defend vendors" who pay him a ton of money.

03-11-2007, 02:11 PM	#1 (permalink)
madberries Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 164	How hot does your Forcedfed Elise idle? Granted I live in florida, but my car seems to idle at around 208 - 210 degrees when sitting at a light for 4 - 5 minutes. I'm just curious what everyone else is reading for idle coolant temps. Also, my car happens to be one of the fortunate '05s to have only 1 oil cooler. If I track it, should I get a second oil cooler? I dont think it would make much of a difference idling, but when running hard it would probably help cool the car faster. __________________ '05 Lotus Elise (Magnetic Blue) - FF275, Braille Battery, 4Tress Harness bar, Schroth 4-point Harnesses, CF Console, FF gauge pod, Moroso oil pan, ACT HD clutch, Toda Flywheel, SSRs... Ohlins coilovers and adjustable sway bar on the way.

03-11-2007, 03:12 PM	#2 (permalink)
mark.r Makin' house calls . . . Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Leesburg, VA Posts: 2,610	During summer in VA I would not be surprised if my stock Exige idles at those temps if I sat at a traffic light for that long. That's a long time. I can say for certain when and under what circumstances, but I have seen 200+ temps in my car last summer. I am sure it was at light or stop and go traffic. Doesn't sound too strange to me. I would be interested in hearing what others had to say. __________________ DRS Tuned FF275 '06 Exige - Sold My racing prediction for '09 . . . the Japanese guy on the Italian bike and the Italian guy on the Japanese bike.

03-11-2007, 03:50 PM	#4 (permalink)
Randy Chase Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: San Diego and where ever the roads lead Posts: 28,174 Images: 761	If would be good to get some feedback from ForcedFed. __________________ * V E R I T A S * A E Q U I T A S * No Longer the ADMIN here, please do not PM me asking for help. Thanks! 2006 Noble M400. Getrag tranny, Quaiffe LSD, Hinged clams. Duratec dual turbo V6. Hoosier 315-18 tires. 2350 pounds. Over 500hp. Track weapon. 2009 Rossion Q1. Monaco Orange. Wing. Black leather/Alcantara with orange stitching. The street car. In build: 2009 Toniq R (300whp? 1100 pounds?). Chrome Orange. Lexus GX-470 tow vehicle.

03-11-2007, 03:58 PM	#5 (permalink)
madberries Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 164	It's not really that much of an issue on streets, since the car cools suprisingly well when cruising along at 60+ mph. But I was curious since I will be tracking my car soon. I would rather prevent problems before I run into them. I was just wondering if this was normal. I think the fan kicks in at full speed around 210 degrees, correct? __________________ '05 Lotus Elise (Magnetic Blue) - FF275, Braille Battery, 4Tress Harness bar, Schroth 4-point Harnesses, CF Console, FF gauge pod, Moroso oil pan, ACT HD clutch, Toda Flywheel, SSRs... Ohlins coilovers and adjustable sway bar on the way.

03-11-2007, 03:59 PM	#6 (permalink)
kaz JabStrongFierce Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Downtown LA + SF Posts: 2,420	All of our cars cool way better with lots of air moving through it...your car will run cooler on a track than sitting in traffic, way cooler. __________________ 2006 Elise : JFG \| Nitrons \| 2bular 8" Single \| Reverie diffuser and misc. carbon bits \| Tripoint Engineering W/A Intercooler \| Ronin supercharger \| DRS EFI and tuning

03-11-2007, 04:04 PM	#7 (permalink)
madberries Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 164	That is true, but then again I'm not constantly running the car at 7 - 8k rpms on the street. I guess the question should be, at what point would a second oil cooler be necessary for extended track usage? __________________ '05 Lotus Elise (Magnetic Blue) - FF275, Braille Battery, 4Tress Harness bar, Schroth 4-point Harnesses, CF Console, FF gauge pod, Moroso oil pan, ACT HD clutch, Toda Flywheel, SSRs... Ohlins coilovers and adjustable sway bar on the way.

03-11-2007, 04:21 PM	#8 (permalink)
25psi_Elise_Killer Drunk on alcohol Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 3,130	I don't own an Exige, but my water temp is about 175 F in normal driving, track i'm around 200-220degrees. And my tuner setup my water temp gauge to beep/warn me if i exceed 230 degrees. For my oil temps i'm around 170 F in normal driving 240-250 on the track. And i have gauge warning indicator set at 260 __________________ '06 Evo IX Stage 1E Tuned by Road Race Engineering(Stock:turbo,intake,internals,ECU) Walbro 255lph fuel pump,RC Engineering1000cc Injectors, AVO exhaust,RRE dyno tune flash, Dejon Tool boost controller (325whp @ 22PSI Costco 91 octane, 353whp @ 25psi on 100 octane, 383whp @30psi on E85) , Zeitronix wideband,Zeitronix Ethanol Content Analyzer, Defi BF gauges, Stoptech rotors, SS brakelines,Graphic/Interior Design,Brand Identities,Invitations www.nomadic-nomads.com Last edited by 25psi_Elise_Killer : 03-11-2007 at 04:43 PM.

03-12-2007, 05:42 AM	#10 (permalink)
mark.r Makin' house calls . . . Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Leesburg, VA Posts: 2,610	jplotus lives in Vegas and I can't imagine anyone having to deal with more heat than he does on his FF340R. __________________ DRS Tuned FF275 '06 Exige - Sold My racing prediction for '09 . . . the Japanese guy on the Italian bike and the Italian guy on the Japanese bike.

03-12-2007, 05:53 AM	#11 (permalink)
ZTEC Third Eye Open Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 1,737 Images: 3	These cars are great in the cooling department - I just did a track event and never saw coolant temps on track above 196 but it would creep up to over 205 in the paddock while I had no air blowing through. I agree with FF and check the system for air but I think your probably OK - Keep an eye on the levels and top off with Water Wetter. How about a ride __________________ GO: Vision Function Stage II Intercooled Bliss with Charlie's ECU magic and Ronin's Tenacity! STOP: DBA 4000's, Porterfield R4! TURN: Nitron S/A's Toyo RA1's 225/245 on Rota's!

03-12-2007, 06:41 AM	#12 (permalink)
slaughtr Big head man Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Boise, Idaho Posts: 5,953 Images: 3	I haven't had mine in the summer yet and here in Boise it's still pretty cool. What I've noticed is that the temp changes much more, and over a greater range than the normally aspirated car. While sitting, it will rise to the low 190's (again this is in cool Boise temps) and when I start moving again the temp will drop 10 degrees or so. __________________ My car both sucks and blows. Now with added all natural smoky goodness!

03-12-2007, 08:03 AM	#13 (permalink)
madberries Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 164	I have actually bled the air from the pressurized coolant reservoir, and this did help a little. I also understand there is another place to bleed the air from the coolant in the driver's rear wheel well. However, at the time I didn't think it was necessary to bleed. I will try that out to see if it helps some. Yeah, water wetter is good stuff, I was actually going to pick some up today. Anyway, I'd be happy to give rides, just hit me up if you are in the east orlando area. I've been in the process of running endurance tests, so you might have seen me zipping around So far it seems very reliable and stable. Despite the idle temps, my power delivery seems pretty consistant. __________________ '05 Lotus Elise (Magnetic Blue) - FF275, Braille Battery, 4Tress Harness bar, Schroth 4-point Harnesses, CF Console, FF gauge pod, Moroso oil pan, ACT HD clutch, Toda Flywheel, SSRs... Ohlins coilovers and adjustable sway bar on the way.

03-12-2007, 09:43 AM	#15 (permalink)
madberries Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 164	Sure, I actually installed it myself with the help of a friend. The installation was pretty straight-forward, although the instructions were kind of missing some detail here and there. In the end my car came out pretty professional looking (i dont think any place around here could have done a better job). It just took longer than I expected it to, with many moments of cursing. A hydrolic lift would have definitely come in handy. My car pushes fairly hard now, but I haven't had a chance to get it dyno tuned yet. I was making 173whp on a dynojet (at titan motorsports) with the stock elise. So, it will be interesting to see what I'm making now. I can tell you that based on gtech hp charts, that it's showing a 44% increase in power when comparing my stock runs to the turbo runs. Not sure how accurate that is though, so I guess take that with a grain of salt. __________________ '05 Lotus Elise (Magnetic Blue) - FF275, Braille Battery, 4Tress Harness bar, Schroth 4-point Harnesses, CF Console, FF gauge pod, Moroso oil pan, ACT HD clutch, Toda Flywheel, SSRs... Ohlins coilovers and adjustable sway bar on the way.

03-12-2007, 10:17 AM	#16 (permalink)
Casey Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 555	Sorry for the delayed response....ET won't let me log in from my house It sounds like you are having issues with an air bubble in the cooling system. Bleeding the sytem using the factory bleed valves is very innefficient and will take forever to actually get all the air out of the sytem. The best thing to do is to is have the system filled with a vaccum filling machine to ensure that every bit of air is out of the system.

03-12-2007, 10:28 AM	#17 (permalink)
madberries Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 164	No problem... Oh yeah, it took forever to bleed what i could out of the pressurized reservior side. I had to open and close that bleeder valve many times before it would actually begin to let coolant fill to the top. I'm sure there are probably still some air bubbles, so I will try what you suggest. Do you know if air can get trapped near the other bleeder valve on the hose going to the radiator? I was just wondering, because why else would there be two places to bleed air from? __________________ '05 Lotus Elise (Magnetic Blue) - FF275, Braille Battery, 4Tress Harness bar, Schroth 4-point Harnesses, CF Console, FF gauge pod, Moroso oil pan, ACT HD clutch, Toda Flywheel, SSRs... Ohlins coilovers and adjustable sway bar on the way.

03-12-2007, 02:06 PM	#20 (permalink)
Andrikos Lulu ROX! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: RanchoSahuarita.com , AZ Posts: 3,724	It's an inside joke. Randy is accused of "inside dealings" and deleting threads to "defend vendors" who pay him a ton of money. __________________ My daily driver is an orange plastic toaster

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