Next Generation in Supercharging Means 275whp! - Page 14 - LotusTalk

choi0706 · 12-04-2008, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by road racer

why does an IC alter the throttle response?

FWIW, the vette ZR1 has the TVS and also has an IC. So GM thought having the IC was a requirement, even with the more efficient TVS.

there is "supposedly" lag thats associated with intercoolers.. the one on the ZR1 is TINY with no pipes.. adding pipes adds "some" lag..

jim-clayton · 12-04-2008, 04:57 PM

Got my TVS installed and running.

Took a long lunch break from work today and got the new blower installed.

Super nice setup. The new alternator / SC bracket is very cool. Patent Pending I'm sure.

Feels real strong from what I can tell with a short test drive. I'll be out on the road tomorrow, breaking it in.

I'll post pictures soon.

Thanks a million Phil ! Well done.

Bavarian Motorist · 12-04-2008, 05:00 PM

Congrats Jim... Please report back...

Dave · 12-04-2008, 07:00 PM

Way to go Jim! Got some install done this evening, more time Saturday I hope.

toysport · 12-04-2008, 07:15 PM

dave,
is this just an upgrade for you or a new s/c install? if so what kit did you have before? tnanks.

robains · 12-04-2008, 10:16 PM

Yum, congrats guys.

Dave · 12-05-2008, 06:05 AM

Toysport - yes an upgrade...had the Tripoint aka Katana on for 2+ years.

Install is coming along fine. Like an idiot, I banged the VVT oil pressure sensor and broke it (it lives real close to the right end of the manifold) and need to get one on order. Someone smart would have pulled it before reinstalling to the head.

No big deal since we're supposed to get snow tomorrow and the first of the week, so no driving for a while anyway.

Again, Phil has done an awesome job with this kit right down to the detailed instructions. Anyone with just average mechanical skills (like me) should have no problem installing.

jim-clayton · 12-05-2008, 07:03 AM

The sensor is definitely in the way. I remove the bolt that holds it in and then rotate the sensor out of the way(per my Blackwatch instruction). I'm not sure it pulls out easily.

Just got back from a drive. What a beast! Not rubbing it in just reporting what I find. LOL

JUNGLISTluder · 12-05-2008, 07:08 AM

tell us more! particularly comparing the MP62 to the TVS.

MaineLotus · 12-05-2008, 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jim-clayton

The sensor is definitely in the way. I remove the bolt that holds it in and then rotate the sensor out of the way(per my Blackwatch instruction). I'm not sure it pulls out easily.

It pulls out after removing the bolt, there is an o-ring on the sensor. A little oil on the o-ring and a twist helps to reinstall.

robains · 12-05-2008, 09:35 AM

Man, glad I'm not the only one that had an issue with that sensor and I was working all stock MP62 -- I "discovered" Jim's same solution. Fortunately I didn't break mine, but I hear ya Dave.

Snow, what's that? It's actually been pretty cold here, 48 - great for power though. brrrr...

Dave · 12-05-2008, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robains

Snow, what's that?

You're getting a thwacking for that

19F here...need to find a warm bar stool.

fzust · 12-05-2008, 10:26 AM

Had to shovel 1 foot of sunshine out of my driveway this morning. 72F and sunny here. AutoX this weekend!

Bavarian Motorist · 12-05-2008, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by fzust

Had to shovel 1 foot of sunshine out of my driveway this morning. 72F and sunny here. AutoX this weekend!

No snow here yet....

Moto44 · 12-05-2008, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave

Anyone with just average mechanical skills (like me) should have no problem installing.

I have a feeling that your definition of "average mechanical skills" and mine are very different. I would say that the person with average mechanical skills could tackle changing their brake pads and fluids, not installing a supercharger on a Lotus.

Bavarian Motorist · 12-05-2008, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Moto44

I have a feeling that your definition of "average mechanical skills" and mine are very different. I would say that the person with average mechanical skills could tackle changing their brake pads and fluids, not installing a supercharger on a Lotus.

Word

robains · 12-05-2008, 12:24 PM

It's not that hard, really. I consider myself "average mechanical skills". I've replaced and built engines before, it's really not that hard. It gets "difficult" when you need special tools and measuring to 1000th's -- I usually avoid those areas. It's all a one person job. I was able to remove the motor without messing with axle or tranny - key was removing the idle pully wheel before removal which provided much more side to side motion.

I had a more difficult time working on a Ford 4.6 DOHC -- I did actually need a few special tools for that job, but for the 2ZZ no special tools at all. I can see why Lotus went with this motor, it is one of the most simple engines I've ever worked on.

The stock SC does need a little "angle wrangle" and never tight down all the bolts until everything is in place. Stock intake manifold is a biatch -- had to grind down a 12mm box wrench to get to that center nut. Removing the clam really makes it very easy to access everything and clam removal is at most 1 hour on my S. Of course Phil's is hinged (cheater).

Moto44 · 12-05-2008, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robains

I've replaced and built engines before....The stock SC does need a little "angle wrangle" and never tight down all the bolts until everything is in place. Stock intake manifold is a biatch -- had to grind down a 12mm box wrench to get to that center nut.

You just made it onto my list of folks here with above average skills.

Demonized · 12-05-2008, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robains

It's not that hard, really. I consider myself "average mechanical skills". I've replaced and built engines before

removing the idle pully wheel before removal which provided much more side to side motion.

The stock SC does need a little "angle wrangle" and never tight down all the bolts until everything is in place. Stock intake manifold is a biatch -- had to grind down a 12mm box wrench to get to that center nut.

I think you are overestimating average.

Murix · 12-05-2008, 01:39 PM

I consider myself at the same level as Robains and also consider myself average. Knowing how to follow directions, use common sense, and not be afraid to break a few things does not make me genius. Motors are not that difficult.

One of my best friends who builds his own intake manifold, measures his own machine specs, and shoves transverse motors into rwd cars mated to homemade distributors is advanced.

The stuff Ronin is dealing with is advanced, as building a new mounting plate to install a TVS blower on your Elise. That is advanced.

12-04-2008, 04:57 PM	#262 (permalink)
jim-clayton Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Fort Lauderdale Florida Posts: 1,632	Got my TVS installed and running. Took a long lunch break from work today and got the new blower installed. Super nice setup. The new alternator / SC bracket is very cool. Patent Pending I'm sure. Feels real strong from what I can tell with a short test drive. I'll be out on the road tomorrow, breaking it in. I'll post pictures soon. Thanks a million Phil ! Well done. __________________ 2005 Elise Storm Titanium

12-04-2008, 05:00 PM	#263 (permalink)
Bavarian Motorist Live to Drive Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: NYC/Westchester, NY Posts: 10,852	Congrats Jim... Please report back... __________________ Be an alpha male. Drive a Lotus.

12-04-2008, 07:00 PM	#264 (permalink)
Dave Mods are good for you Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,961	Way to go Jim! Got some install done this evening, more time Saturday I hope. __________________ 2008 Solar S240 Exige 2005 Saffron Elise - BOE TVS Supercharger 291WHP w/ EFI Engine Mgmt

12-04-2008, 10:16 PM	#266 (permalink)
robains 2007 Exige S Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: CA, Bay Area Posts: 1,820	Yum, congrats guys. __________________ '07 Exige S (Track Pack & LSD) + EFi 550ci injectors + Mahle 9:1 + DRS Port + SuperTech Valves + Weapon R Header + 2.9" pully + TODA Clutch + FF Engine Damper + RLS IC + Greddy catch cans + opened roof slot + RTD brace + Milled steering arms + Larini 8" + FF air intake + Moroso oil pan + Ultradisc 2 piece front/rear + Reverie 1650mm wing + ReVerie front splitter + IQ3 Dash + 4pt ASM + Pioneer AVIC-N2 nav + rear camera + RAC monolites 888s 195/225 + Lotus LSS Hoosier R6 205/225 @ 1921 lbs

12-05-2008, 06:05 AM	#267 (permalink)
Dave Mods are good for you Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,961	Toysport - yes an upgrade...had the Tripoint aka Katana on for 2+ years. Install is coming along fine. Like an idiot, I banged the VVT oil pressure sensor and broke it (it lives real close to the right end of the manifold) and need to get one on order. Someone smart would have pulled it before reinstalling to the head. No big deal since we're supposed to get snow tomorrow and the first of the week, so no driving for a while anyway. Again, Phil has done an awesome job with this kit right down to the detailed instructions. Anyone with just average mechanical skills (like me) should have no problem installing. Attached Images __________________ 2008 Solar S240 Exige 2005 Saffron Elise - BOE TVS Supercharger 291WHP w/ EFI Engine Mgmt

12-04-2008, 07:15 PM	#265 (permalink)
toysport Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 43	dave, is this just an upgrade for you or a new s/c install? if so what kit did you have before? tnanks.

12-05-2008, 07:03 AM	#268 (permalink)
jim-clayton Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Fort Lauderdale Florida Posts: 1,632	The sensor is definitely in the way. I remove the bolt that holds it in and then rotate the sensor out of the way(per my Blackwatch instruction). I'm not sure it pulls out easily. Just got back from a drive. What a beast! Not rubbing it in just reporting what I find. LOL __________________ 2005 Elise Storm Titanium

12-05-2008, 07:08 AM	#269 (permalink)
JUNGLISTluder High Roller Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 808 Images: 6	tell us more! particularly comparing the MP62 to the TVS. __________________ 96 Ferrari F355 Berlinetta 06 Lotus Elise Supercharged - SOLD 88 BMW 528is

12-05-2008, 09:35 AM	#271 (permalink)
robains 2007 Exige S Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: CA, Bay Area Posts: 1,820	Man, glad I'm not the only one that had an issue with that sensor and I was working all stock MP62 -- I "discovered" Jim's same solution. Fortunately I didn't break mine, but I hear ya Dave. Snow, what's that? It's actually been pretty cold here, 48 - great for power though. brrrr... __________________ '07 Exige S (Track Pack & LSD) + EFi 550ci injectors + Mahle 9:1 + DRS Port + SuperTech Valves + Weapon R Header + 2.9" pully + TODA Clutch + FF Engine Damper + RLS IC + Greddy catch cans + opened roof slot + RTD brace + Milled steering arms + Larini 8" + FF air intake + Moroso oil pan + Ultradisc 2 piece front/rear + Reverie 1650mm wing + ReVerie front splitter + IQ3 Dash + 4pt ASM + Pioneer AVIC-N2 nav + rear camera + RAC monolites 888s 195/225 + Lotus LSS Hoosier R6 205/225 @ 1921 lbs

12-05-2008, 10:26 AM	#273 (permalink)
fzust 2009 XP National Champion Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 1,537	Had to shovel 1 foot of sunshine out of my driveway this morning. 72F and sunny here. AutoX this weekend! __________________ 2008,2009 X Prepared Solo National Champion

12-05-2008, 12:24 PM	#277 (permalink)
robains 2007 Exige S Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: CA, Bay Area Posts: 1,820	It's not that hard, really. I consider myself "average mechanical skills". I've replaced and built engines before, it's really not that hard. It gets "difficult" when you need special tools and measuring to 1000th's -- I usually avoid those areas. It's all a one person job. I was able to remove the motor without messing with axle or tranny - key was removing the idle pully wheel before removal which provided much more side to side motion. I had a more difficult time working on a Ford 4.6 DOHC -- I did actually need a few special tools for that job, but for the 2ZZ no special tools at all. I can see why Lotus went with this motor, it is one of the most simple engines I've ever worked on. The stock SC does need a little "angle wrangle" and never tight down all the bolts until everything is in place. Stock intake manifold is a biatch -- had to grind down a 12mm box wrench to get to that center nut. Removing the clam really makes it very easy to access everything and clam removal is at most 1 hour on my S. Of course Phil's is hinged (cheater). __________________ '07 Exige S (Track Pack & LSD) + EFi 550ci injectors + Mahle 9:1 + DRS Port + SuperTech Valves + Weapon R Header + 2.9" pully + TODA Clutch + FF Engine Damper + RLS IC + Greddy catch cans + opened roof slot + RTD brace + Milled steering arms + Larini 8" + FF air intake + Moroso oil pan + Ultradisc 2 piece front/rear + Reverie 1650mm wing + ReVerie front splitter + IQ3 Dash + 4pt ASM + Pioneer AVIC-N2 nav + rear camera + RAC monolites 888s 195/225 + Lotus LSS Hoosier R6 205/225 @ 1921 lbs

12-05-2008, 01:39 PM	#280 (permalink)
Murix Rotary Refugee Join Date: May 2007 Location: Santa Monica Posts: 996 Images: 3	I consider myself at the same level as Robains and also consider myself average. Knowing how to follow directions, use common sense, and not be afraid to break a few things does not make me genius. Motors are not that difficult. One of my best friends who builds his own intake manifold, measures his own machine specs, and shoves transverse motors into rwd cars mated to homemade distributors is advanced. The stuff Ronin is dealing with is advanced, as building a new mounting plate to install a TVS blower on your Elise. That is advanced.

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