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Bavarian Motorist · 02-25-2009, 04:48 AM

Thanks Phil. I was only thinking about the re-flash for cost purposes... but you're right that the EFI is the way to go.

I am already thinking about the intercooled version... Does that make me insane?

darkSol · 02-25-2009, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Bavarian Motorist

Does that make me insane?

Completely!

Darth G-F · 02-25-2009, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by darkSol

Allow me you flame throwing guy!

Thanks!

GTsRasta · 02-25-2009, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bavarian Motorist

Thanks Phil. I was only thinking about the re-flash for cost purposes... but you're right that the EFI is the way to go.

I am already thinking about the intercooled version... Does that make me insane?

No.

It just makes you anxious to get rid of your current blower!

Buy this book in the meanwhile: How to Tune and Modify Engine ... - Google Book Search

Awesome read.

robains · 02-25-2009, 09:54 PM

Anything published more recently? That book is 2004 and others are 2003 and earlier -- also don't see any mention of VVTi (or similar) tuning. But thanks for the link.

Rob.

GTsRasta · 02-25-2009, 11:12 PM

Here's what the newcelica people have come up with for VVT-i tuning:

How To: Tune VVT on the Power FC - NewCelica.org Forum

Very good threads.

Dave · 03-02-2009, 05:01 AM

Weather broke in Ohio and we're actually seeing sun for a few days

Drove the Elise hard for about 3 hours yesterday afternoon and it's still running fantastic. The EFI is really dialed in and the BOE TVS is an absolute beast. Phil your last map is awesome!

Mounted the laptop, hit the road and did some fine tuning - my car seems to like a little more fuel in the lower load cells which makes shifting transition silky smooth, idle is rock steady.

Anyway, couldn't be happier with the results. The Katana was a great kit, but if you're looking for serious power, Phil's TVS kit is the way to go. Offer still stands for anyone in the Dayton area to come by and go for a test drive - just make sure you have some cash set aside for his kit 'cause you'll want one bad when we're done

Bavarian Motorist · 03-02-2009, 05:40 AM

Cash is waiting!

You have a CAI and headers... I wonder how much more power you're making over a standard TVS? Phil's told me there's some good gains to be found with an intake...

darkSol · 03-02-2009, 06:20 AM

Phil and Andrew very graciously spent a good time of their respective weekends retrofitting the TVS system to my Elise (I previously had a Katana kit installed since July 2007).

We also installed the LETSLA shifter kit and are redoing all the DL-1/Dash1/ChaseCam PDR/Subwoofer wiring. No more rat's nest!

I fully intend to get her to the dyno next weekend for some baseline runs... going to shoot for 285whp/185wtor (up from 230whp/149wtor). Redline set to 8200rpm for safety with the stock pump... for now... Stage 2 coming soon...

I'm also going to reweigh the whole damn car to see the overall delta. I'm guessing I'm about 2.5 lbs. heavier than I was with the Katana system. Not too bad!

Stay tuned!

GTsRasta · 03-02-2009, 02:31 PM

Nice!

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Originally Posted by Bavarian Motorist

Cash is waiting!

And I'm waiting for his leftover bits!

jim-clayton · 03-02-2009, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GTsRasta

Nice!

And I'm waiting for his leftover bits!

I have a real nice alternator bracket for you Rasta

robains · 03-02-2009, 02:47 PM

Sweet, I have that same oil cap

Congrats and enjoy.

Rob

GTsRasta · 03-02-2009, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jim-clayton

I have a real nice alternator bracket for you Rasta

Unless you give it to me for little to no money...I'll be sitting tight with the stock greddy supercharger brackets I bought from choi...and I'll be waiting to purchase turbophil's upcoming version 2 brackets:

Got broken greddy brackets? Look here.. - Page 2 - NewCelica.org Forum

Thanks for the offer!

darkSol · 03-02-2009, 06:54 PM

Phil just called - my car started right up.... she's running a slightly tweaked version of Dave's map... can't wait!

Phil will chime in here shortly I'm sure...

turbophil · 03-03-2009, 06:51 AM

Just as Darksol said, the car ticked right over last night.

This was a basic Katana upgrade from a hardware standpoint. For engine mgmt, we installed my TVS spec'ed EFI kit from Kris @DRS consisting of dual maps (switchable by a toggle switch that is mounted in the center console of the car), among a host of other goodies. Also has it running 100% closed loop, with a wide band 02, which is all part of the package I've mentioned earlier.

Dave had a turboXS intake from the earlier days that he wasn't running since his ECU flash was not friendly to it, so we reinstalled it with this kit. He also has FF headers and vonhep style exhaust.

Below are a couple crummy camera phone pics. Found a new use for the holes in the cross member for that end of the day libation

And then the final engine bay pic... Looks pretty sano

Later,

Phil

rstutts · 03-03-2009, 07:18 AM

I like Bud Light Lime too!

robains · 03-03-2009, 07:21 AM

F'in yuppies!

turbophil · 03-03-2009, 07:43 AM

BL Lime is the bomb!

One little bit that I like to do that may be hard to see in the pics it "fix" the wiring harness... Notice how I split the injector and VVT plugs out oft he main wiring harness that would normally travel next to the fuel rail? I split all those add'l sensory wires out (no cutting, just rerouting) and run them under the manifold and only run the injector and VVT plug above the manifold. This way future maintenance is easier with less wires to tangle with and the install looks much cleaner. As you can see in above completion pic, all those nasty wires are hidden now... Stealth

Later,

Phil

fzust · 03-03-2009, 08:12 AM

BL Lime is crap. Only proper pi$$-water mexican beer can have limes in it, everyone knows that.

jim-clayton · 03-03-2009, 08:17 AM

I saw the Bud Lime. Man law violation.

02-25-2009, 04:48 AM	#961 (permalink)
Bavarian Motorist Live to Drive Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: NYC/Westchester, NY Posts: 10,872	Thanks Phil. I was only thinking about the re-flash for cost purposes... but you're right that the EFI is the way to go. I am already thinking about the intercooled version... Does that make me insane? __________________ Be an alpha male. Drive a Lotus.

02-25-2009, 09:54 PM	#965 (permalink)
robains 2007 Exige S Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: CA, Bay Area Posts: 2,140	Anything published more recently? That book is 2004 and others are 2003 and earlier -- also don't see any mention of VVTi (or similar) tuning. But thanks for the link. Rob. __________________ "For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan

03-02-2009, 05:01 AM	#967 (permalink)
Dave Kold-Fire.com Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 3,286	Weather broke in Ohio and we're actually seeing sun for a few days Drove the Elise hard for about 3 hours yesterday afternoon and it's still running fantastic. The EFI is really dialed in and the BOE TVS is an absolute beast. Phil your last map is awesome! Mounted the laptop, hit the road and did some fine tuning - my car seems to like a little more fuel in the lower load cells which makes shifting transition silky smooth, idle is rock steady. Anyway, couldn't be happier with the results. The Katana was a great kit, but if you're looking for serious power, Phil's TVS kit is the way to go. Offer still stands for anyone in the Dayton area to come by and go for a test drive - just make sure you have some cash set aside for his kit 'cause you'll want one bad when we're done __________________ Kold-Fire ECU Performance Tuning is here...click for more info Last edited by Dave; 03-02-2009 at 05:50 AM.

03-02-2009, 05:40 AM	#968 (permalink)
Bavarian Motorist Live to Drive Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: NYC/Westchester, NY Posts: 10,872	Cash is waiting! You have a CAI and headers... I wonder how much more power you're making over a standard TVS? Phil's told me there's some good gains to be found with an intake... __________________ Be an alpha male. Drive a Lotus.

03-02-2009, 06:20 AM	#969 (permalink)
darkSol The Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Leawood, KS Posts: 2,684	Looks like I'm going to find out in the next 24-48 hours... ;) Phil and Andrew very graciously spent a good time of their respective weekends retrofitting the TVS system to my Elise (I previously had a Katana kit installed since July 2007). We also installed the LETSLA shifter kit and are redoing all the DL-1/Dash1/ChaseCam PDR/Subwoofer wiring. No more rat's nest! I fully intend to get her to the dyno next weekend for some baseline runs... going to shoot for 285whp/185wtor (up from 230whp/149wtor). Redline set to 8200rpm for safety with the stock pump... for now... Stage 2 coming soon... I'm also going to reweigh the whole damn car to see the overall delta. I'm guessing I'm about 2.5 lbs. heavier than I was with the Katana system. Not too bad! Stay tuned! Attached Images __________________ d.a..v...i....d David Thomas Stewart - davidtstewart@gmail.com TVS Supercharged 2005 Graphite Grey Lotus Elise: 286whp, 1786lbs. Kampfbereit in der zeit...

03-02-2009, 02:47 PM	#972 (permalink)
robains 2007 Exige S Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: CA, Bay Area Posts: 2,140	Sweet, I have that same oil cap Congrats and enjoy. Rob __________________ "For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan

03-02-2009, 06:54 PM	#974 (permalink)
darkSol The Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Leawood, KS Posts: 2,684	Phil just called - my car started right up.... she's running a slightly tweaked version of Dave's map... can't wait! Phil will chime in here shortly I'm sure... __________________ d.a..v...i....d David Thomas Stewart - davidtstewart@gmail.com TVS Supercharged 2005 Graphite Grey Lotus Elise: 286whp, 1786lbs. Kampfbereit in der zeit...

03-03-2009, 06:51 AM	#975 (permalink)
turbophil Plug Whisperer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Kansas City/ Overland Park Posts: 2,885 Images: 6	Just as Darksol said, the car ticked right over last night. This was a basic Katana upgrade from a hardware standpoint. For engine mgmt, we installed my TVS spec'ed EFI kit from Kris @DRS consisting of dual maps (switchable by a toggle switch that is mounted in the center console of the car), among a host of other goodies. Also has it running 100% closed loop, with a wide band 02, which is all part of the package I've mentioned earlier. Dave had a turboXS intake from the earlier days that he wasn't running since his ECU flash was not friendly to it, so we reinstalled it with this kit. He also has FF headers and vonhep style exhaust. Below are a couple crummy camera phone pics. Found a new use for the holes in the cross member for that end of the day libation And then the final engine bay pic... Looks pretty sano Later, Phil Attached Images __________________ '05 GG LSS Elise \| A Track Chariot \| BOE ClamHinge \| BOE Stage II TVS SuperCharger \| EFI Standalone Engine Management \| BOE Fuel Surge System \| BOE Lotus Tow Package\| BOE New-Tech 2ZZ Race Engine Home of the New-Tech 2ZZ Race Engine and TVS Supercharging: www.boefabrication.com *Creativity & Innovation by Lotus People For Lotus People* Somethin ain't worth do'n, if it ain't worth do'n right

03-03-2009, 07:18 AM	#976 (permalink)
rstutts Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Martin, TN Posts: 256	I like Bud Light Lime too! __________________ 2005 Solar Yellow Elise touring package, star shield, hard top, soft top, ACT HDSS clutch, Saikou Michi catch cans, LED tail lights and VF II, 288 whp () 2001 Green Toyota Tacoma, 4 x 4 2008 Red 5455 Massey Ferguson Tractor, 6 x 6, cab, ipod, GPS navigation, regular beer holder 2003 Green 6420 John Deere Tractor, 6 x 6, cab, CD, no beer holder yet 2001 Yellow Cat D3G-LGP, custom made beer holder

03-03-2009, 07:21 AM	#977 (permalink)
robains 2007 Exige S Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: CA, Bay Area Posts: 2,140	F'in yuppies! __________________ "For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan

03-03-2009, 07:43 AM	#978 (permalink)
turbophil Plug Whisperer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Kansas City/ Overland Park Posts: 2,885 Images: 6	BL Lime is the bomb! One little bit that I like to do that may be hard to see in the pics it "fix" the wiring harness... Notice how I split the injector and VVT plugs out oft he main wiring harness that would normally travel next to the fuel rail? I split all those add'l sensory wires out (no cutting, just rerouting) and run them under the manifold and only run the injector and VVT plug above the manifold. This way future maintenance is easier with less wires to tangle with and the install looks much cleaner. As you can see in above completion pic, all those nasty wires are hidden now... Stealth Later, Phil __________________ '05 GG LSS Elise \| A Track Chariot \| BOE ClamHinge \| BOE Stage II TVS SuperCharger \| EFI Standalone Engine Management \| BOE Fuel Surge System \| BOE Lotus Tow Package\| BOE New-Tech 2ZZ Race Engine Home of the New-Tech 2ZZ Race Engine and TVS Supercharging: www.boefabrication.com *Creativity & Innovation by Lotus People For Lotus People* Somethin ain't worth do'n, if it ain't worth do'n right

03-03-2009, 08:12 AM	#979 (permalink)
fzust 2009 XP National Champion Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 1,680	BL Lime is crap. Only proper pi$$-water mexican beer can have limes in it, everyone knows that. __________________ 2008,2009 X Prepared Solo National Champion www.blackwatchracing.com

03-03-2009, 08:17 AM	#980 (permalink)
jim-clayton Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Fort Lauderdale Florida Posts: 1,806	I saw the Bud Lime. Man law violation. __________________ Jack Helper http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f95/...er-sale-59868/

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