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ozracer · 11-16-2008, 10:54 PM

So Phil what exactly is required parts wise for someone who wants a kit that is still in NA form at the moment?

Demonized · 11-16-2008, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ozracer

So Phil what exactly is required parts wise for someone who wants a kit that is still in NA form at the moment?

Supercharger, intake manifold, manifold to TB, belts, brackets, and possibly injectors....?

I think that's what most of them include... not accounting for the ECU tune you'd need.

bgsterling · 11-16-2008, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Stale_Hotdog

+1 just showing my interest in the upgrade

Not to post a "me too" post, but... me too! If you can make this work for an otherwise stock Exige S ('07 w/ intercooler), I'd be in line for one (price dependent, of course).

-Brad

plastique999 · 11-16-2008, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Louie

Very cool...thanks for taking the time to design this and make it so it was an "upgrade" vs. a whole new kit.
Keep the price less than $2k (or there abouts) and you will sell one to anyone who has already purchased a SC!

Absolutely!...let us know when we can send payment

RichardNHCooper · 11-17-2008, 04:33 AM

I have a newly installed BWR kit, what size injectors are needed for the increased power.

jlj3394 · 11-17-2008, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by turbophil

Thanks for all the kind feedback everyone. I think it's fair to say that there's enough interest to make a BUNCH more of these kits. Here's what I'll do. I'll visit with the "usual suspects" about tunes, distribution, packaging, etc. I'm quite certain that details for distribution would be ironed out in Jan '09, which is surprisingly fast approaching with the holiday season already here

In the meantime, there are two other forum members that are installing the kit soon as upgrades (one BWR and the other S111 Katana). Given the compression ratios involved, I'm actually expecting a little more HP/TQ from their cars given the higher static compression ratio of the stock engine.

Pricing is obviously still in the works. What I know is that the upgrade kit will be substantially cheaper than your original kit cost you. To be any more specific than that, would purely be speculation at this point. This is really very close to a ready to mass produce level just as it sits on my car, so there's not much else to iron out from the hardware side

I'm still open for questions about performance, hardware, etc... but I won't have any specific answers about price and how it will be delivered to the community until closer to January...

Thanks again! Projects like this are certainly fun and exciting!

Best,

Phil

I'm going to plug for Phil here.

I was at his place on Sunday and got to see his car and some of his other projects.

If he makes a kit, it will be top-shelf all the way - he is one of those people who truly believes that you do it right or you just don't do it.

I would not hesitate for a moment to buy his kit if I was supercharging.

Bavarian Motorist · 11-17-2008, 05:46 AM

Phil, can you compare the down-low power vs the MP62?

ozracer · 11-17-2008, 06:11 AM

intake manifold, manifold to TB these are one in the same arent they?

ozracer · 11-17-2008, 06:16 AM

Disregard the above post I have found what you mean......

So who has the inlet manifold advantage then Sector, BWR, VF or Original Lotus S manifold?

Or are these all basically identical

Walnuts · 11-17-2008, 08:07 AM

Turbophil, maybe I missed it, but what version of the TVS unit are you using? I'm assuming its the R900 (based on Eaton's website and displacement recommendations)? Is there any weight difference between what's coming with the Katana/BWR kits and this unit? Just curious. I don't really understand the design process yet, so if this is a very stupid question, please tell me to shut up... but I've read that the R1320 has the same bolt pattern and overall foot-print as the M62, what's the reason for going wtih a smaller unit (if that's what you did) instead?

Thanks, just trying to learn/understand what I want to spend money on

dustylax · 11-17-2008, 10:36 AM

wow i saw these at SEMA last week but didnt know they were THAT much better, thats great results!

ChrisB · 11-17-2008, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ozracer

Disregard the above post I have found what you mean......

So who has the inlet manifold advantage then Sector, BWR, VF or Original Lotus S manifold?

Or are these all basically identical

Sector and BWR are designed for use without an intercooler. The VF and S are designed to work with an intercooler. Phil's current setup is for use without an intercooler. Different adapters would be required for intercooler use and several people have requested that.

robains · 11-17-2008, 12:38 PM

Yeah Phil's pretty anal, and I mean that in a good way. I would expect/demand top notch workmanship -- and he has the tools/equipment to do it.

Still think you should get out to CA Phil and do a couple of track events to validate the track worthiness of the kit (even without an IC).

Dave · 11-17-2008, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by robains

Yeah Phil's pretty anal, and I mean that in a good way. I would expect/demand top notch workmanship -- and he has the tools/equipment to do it.

I'll let you know in about 7 days...the blowers have landed on American soil!

Phil is nothing short of a perfectionist.

slaughtr · 11-17-2008, 12:44 PM

Phil,
You make a kit out of this and yet again, I'll be a customer.

No, I'm not taking out my turbo, this would be for another car.

British_Marques · 11-17-2008, 08:34 PM

+1, I know I posted much earlier in the thread but I was lucky enough you take a ride Phil's Elise and there is no comparison in the pull from the additional HP. The ride sealed it for me and the GTG was a whole lot of fun and I met some great fella's there.

What a great increase and still a very drivable car.

Jean-Paul · 11-17-2008, 10:36 PM

the way new sc kits and stuff are coming out we will never decide which kit we should get. we are waiting for stage 2 ronin, bwr kit comes u, we are waiting for vf stage 2 this new supercharger comes up !! and the funny thing is htat each kit that comes out everyone starts saying, oh yeah this is the best kit , nothing is better etc. one week later they say the same thing for other kits.so confused and undecided yet

robains · 11-17-2008, 10:43 PM

Don't think anyone said "this is the best kit"? Think the meat of the thread is low charge temps without an IC at affordable prices.

This SC design was given big props from other sources that are not Lotus specific. I believe the design of the SC is it's key on efficiency and great track potential with minimal heat issues.

skottoman · 11-18-2008, 07:40 PM

Still waiting for some one to come up with something CARB compliant, so I won't have to sell my aftermarket supercharged Lotus in 3 years....
Cheers,
Skottoman

Buz · 11-19-2008, 09:15 AM

I do not think the Eaton MP62 blower was ever considered the ultimate blower option for the 2zz motor. The packaging and low end power are very good but effeciency and the resulting heat gain are not. The TVS blower is as close to the Lysholm twin screw blowers as Eaton can make them without infringing on patent rights. I think all of the twin screw blowers are too big for the 2zz so the TVS should be the best all around solution.

11-17-2008, 05:46 AM	#87 (permalink)
Bavarian Motorist Live to Drive Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: NYC/Westchester, NY Posts: 10,850	Phil, can you compare the down-low power vs the MP62? __________________ Be an alpha male. Drive a Lotus.

11-17-2008, 08:07 AM	#90 (permalink)
Walnuts happy motoring! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: MD, USA Posts: 573	Turbophil, maybe I missed it, but what version of the TVS unit are you using? I'm assuming its the R900 (based on Eaton's website and displacement recommendations)? Is there any weight difference between what's coming with the Katana/BWR kits and this unit? Just curious. I don't really understand the design process yet, so if this is a very stupid question, please tell me to shut up... but I've read that the R1320 has the same bolt pattern and overall foot-print as the M62, what's the reason for going wtih a smaller unit (if that's what you did) instead? Thanks, just trying to learn/understand what I want to spend money on Last edited by Walnuts : 11-17-2008 at 12:29 PM.

11-17-2008, 10:36 AM	#91 (permalink)
dustylax 2.0-6262 Join Date: May 2007 Location: NY Posts: 437	wow i saw these at SEMA last week but didnt know they were THAT much better, thats great results! __________________ Please PM if you need anything, i am working from home now.

11-17-2008, 12:38 PM	#93 (permalink)
robains 2007 Exige S Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: CA, Bay Area Posts: 1,815	Yeah Phil's pretty anal, and I mean that in a good way. I would expect/demand top notch workmanship -- and he has the tools/equipment to do it. Still think you should get out to CA Phil and do a couple of track events to validate the track worthiness of the kit (even without an IC). __________________ '07 Exige S (Track Pack & LSD) + EFi 550ci injectors + Mahle 9:1 + DRS Port + SuperTech Valves + Weapon R Header + 2.9" pully + TODA Clutch + FF Engine Damper + RLS IC + Greddy catch cans + opened roof slot + RTD brace + Milled steering arms + Larini 8" + FF air intake + Moroso oil pan + Ultradisc 2 piece front/rear + Reverie 1650mm wing + ReVerie front splitter + IQ3 Dash + 4pt ASM + Pioneer AVIC-N2 nav + rear camera + RAC monolites 888s 195/225 + Lotus LSS Hoosier R6 205/225 @ 1921 lbs

11-17-2008, 12:44 PM	#95 (permalink)
slaughtr Big head man Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Boise, Idaho Posts: 5,953 Images: 3	Phil, You make a kit out of this and yet again, I'll be a customer. No, I'm not taking out my turbo, this would be for another car. __________________ My car both sucks and blows. Now with added all natural smoky goodness!

11-16-2008, 10:54 PM	#81 (permalink)
ozracer Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 78	So Phil what exactly is required parts wise for someone who wants a kit that is still in NA form at the moment?

11-17-2008, 04:33 AM	#85 (permalink)
RichardNHCooper Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Perth, western Australia Posts: 50	I have a newly installed BWR kit, what size injectors are needed for the increased power.

11-17-2008, 06:11 AM	#88 (permalink)
ozracer Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 78	intake manifold, manifold to TB these are one in the same arent they?

11-17-2008, 06:16 AM	#89 (permalink)
ozracer Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 78	Disregard the above post I have found what you mean...... So who has the inlet manifold advantage then Sector, BWR, VF or Original Lotus S manifold? Or are these all basically identical

11-17-2008, 08:34 PM	#96 (permalink)
British_Marques Elise...Best Daily Driver Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Missouri Posts: 488	+1, I know I posted much earlier in the thread but I was lucky enough you take a ride Phil's Elise and there is no comparison in the pull from the additional HP. The ride sealed it for me and the GTG was a whole lot of fun and I met some great fella's there. What a great increase and still a very drivable car. __________________ 2005 Elise, Starlight Black/Red, Modified tilting clam, driving lamps, LED Tail lamp set, hybrid longtail/ and hardtop, Exige rear wing, radio delete, air bag delete, Custom Leather & Alcantra binacle, UK steering wheel, HVAC controller relocated, UK ECU, Carbon mirrors side mirrors, Zoom carbon rear view mirror, and Cup Wheels & Tires.

11-17-2008, 10:36 PM	#97 (permalink)
Jean-Paul Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Greece, Athens Posts: 268	the way new sc kits and stuff are coming out we will never decide which kit we should get. we are waiting for stage 2 ronin, bwr kit comes u, we are waiting for vf stage 2 this new supercharger comes up !! and the funny thing is htat each kit that comes out everyone starts saying, oh yeah this is the best kit , nothing is better etc. one week later they say the same thing for other kits.so confused and undecided yet __________________ I have the simplest tastes... I am only satisfied with the best !!! "Simplify & Add Lightness" J.P

11-17-2008, 10:43 PM	#98 (permalink)
robains 2007 Exige S Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: CA, Bay Area Posts: 1,815	Don't think anyone said "this is the best kit"? Think the meat of the thread is low charge temps without an IC at affordable prices. This SC design was given big props from other sources that are not Lotus specific. I believe the design of the SC is it's key on efficiency and great track potential with minimal heat issues. __________________ '07 Exige S (Track Pack & LSD) + EFi 550ci injectors + Mahle 9:1 + DRS Port + SuperTech Valves + Weapon R Header + 2.9" pully + TODA Clutch + FF Engine Damper + RLS IC + Greddy catch cans + opened roof slot + RTD brace + Milled steering arms + Larini 8" + FF air intake + Moroso oil pan + Ultradisc 2 piece front/rear + Reverie 1650mm wing + ReVerie front splitter + IQ3 Dash + 4pt ASM + Pioneer AVIC-N2 nav + rear camera + RAC monolites 888s 195/225 + Lotus LSS Hoosier R6 205/225 @ 1921 lbs

11-18-2008, 07:40 PM	#99 (permalink)
skottoman 'Justa' Exige 190 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Scotts Valley, CA. Posts: 901	Still waiting for some one to come up with something CARB compliant, so I won't have to sell my aftermarket supercharged Lotus in 3 years.... Cheers, Skottoman __________________ 2006 AR N/A Exige-Touring pack-Starshield-TopspeedPro1 exhaust-DeSnorked-Green filter-RTD ToeBrace-Shims Removed-CF Diffuser-CF Splitter-CF Wing-CF Scoops w/custom grills-Black Exige sticker-PC680 battery-S111 battery holddown-Rear Lotus badge-Carpet buttons-Painted shift knob-Painted Console-EBrake Gaiter-SilverStealth bulbs-Front S111 towhook-Polk speakers-Toyo R888s-Lamin-x turn signal tint 2008 BMW X3 with some mods 2006 Cayman 'S'

11-19-2008, 09:15 AM	#100 (permalink)
Buz Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,920	MP62 I do not think the Eaton MP62 blower was ever considered the ultimate blower option for the 2zz motor. The packaging and low end power are very good but effeciency and the resulting heat gain are not. The TVS blower is as close to the Lysholm twin screw blowers as Eaton can make them without infringing on patent rights. I think all of the twin screw blowers are too big for the 2zz so the TVS should be the best all around solution.

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