Next Generation in Supercharging Means 275whp!

[robains]

Can I have that SuperSized phil?

[turbophil]

BTW- Did you get that tracking number?

[Confidential]

Hi Phil,

I've skimmed through quite a bit of this thread, but admittedly not all 1200. I appologize in advance if my question has been answered before.

My goal is a humble 220-230 rwhp. The Katana and other M62 based kits can achieve this, but they lack the headroom of the TVS blower. I love the efficiency of the TVS as well, so I'd prefer to start there and skip the M62 all together.

Do you offer anything in the way of a "base" kit that would meet my power goals for now but be uprageable in the future? Something sans 9.0 CR pistons, EFI, and the other supporting mods required to make 280 rwhp.

[aschen]

Originally Posted by Confidential

Hi Phil,

I've skimmed through quite a bit of this thread, but admittedly not all 1200. I appologize in advance if my question has been answered before.

My goal is a humble 220-230 rwhp. The Katana and other M62 based kits can achieve this, but they lack the headroom of the TVS blower. I love the efficiency of the TVS as well, so I'd prefer to start there and skip the M62 all together.

Do you offer anything in the way of a "base" kit that would meet my power goals for now but be uprageable in the future? Something sans 9.0 CR pistons, EFI, and the other supporting mods required to make 280 rwhp.

+ 1000. Such a kit would be great for many. Keep stock clutchand 0bd2 would be a great option.

[turbophil]

I guess I can always give you a tune that makes less power... It would hurt me to do so, but I can do it

Actually, I can also provide a bigger pulley that would drop the power down. Again, would be painful, but it's doable

I can do just about whatever customization we need to do. May take a little time but nothing too outrageous...

Best,

TP

[Chococar]

I visited Phil (and Andrew) and saw their work and was treated to a ride in Phil's car. WOW

So, I ordered one (along with the fuel surge tank and tilting clam).

I know what I'll be doing in September

Thanks Phil!

Joe

[turbophil]

You bet Joe. Was great meeting you. Hope that "multi-tool" came in handy on the duration of your trip

Best,

Phil

[turbophil]

Originally Posted by Confidential

Hi Phil,

I've skimmed through quite a bit of this thread, but admittedly not all 1200. I appologize in advance if my question has been answered before.

My goal is a humble 220-230 rwhp. The Katana and other M62 based kits can achieve this, but they lack the headroom of the TVS blower. I love the efficiency of the TVS as well, so I'd prefer to start there and skip the M62 all together.

Do you offer anything in the way of a "base" kit that would meet my power goals for now but be uprageable in the future? Something sans 9.0 CR pistons, EFI, and the other supporting mods required to make 280 rwhp.

Low comp pistons are not required and certainly don't help make MORE power. They just help to keep the engine together... Could always detune it down to 230whp if you want....

-TP

Edit: In addition... I track my car 2-3 times a month from April to October. I know some folks track alot but a LOT if not MOST folks who track may hit the esses 3-4 times a year... If the latter applies, then one could easily make the case to stick with stock pistons and head and just cross your fingers that all will be OK (keep in mind stock engines are breaking valve stems, so.........). On the other hand, if you find that you're putting well over 1,000 miles a year on the track, then you really should just STOP, replace your valves, valve springs, and pistons before something lets loose and causes some serious damage. Will be a very well spent 2 grand...

[fzust]

A couple of years ago, my goal for the XP car was 220-230 RWHP too.... Clearly, I was satisfied. Just start pulling timing as the RPM goes up. Alternatively 3 degrees across the board. If only you could do a map switch. One for 230HP and pump gas and one for 250-260 with Race gas....

[E7L]

Originally Posted by turbophil

I guess I can always give you a tune that makes less power... It would hurt me to do so, but I can do it

Actually, I can also provide a bigger pulley that would drop the power down. Again, would be painful, but it's doable

I can do just about whatever customization we need to do. May take a little time but nothing too outrageous...

Best,

TP

Turbophil,

I certainly understand that this solution would hurt you, but for those of us that are not ready to buy new wheels, tires, clutch, fuel pumps, surge tank, valves, valve springs, pistons, and possibly taller gear ratios (did I leave anything off?), a de-tuned TVS system might be very attractive. If you have any comments on how long it would take to get this tune ready for public consumption and what the cost difference would be, I would love to know.

[turbophil]

Getting the tune ready is pretty easy. In a case like that, I would do a build-to-order type of an arrangement...

In addition, easy ways to keep the power down is to run the stock air box, stock headers, stock cat, etc. Those items would keep the cost and performance down... if someone was really looking for such things

-TP

[boostu]

Phil,

I have a question regarding the ECU solution for the TVS. I was curious if you've delivered a kit with a CharlieX flash on the Lotus ECU instead of the EFI? I tried covering all 60+ pages and forgive me if I missed one of the discussions, I saw on page 52 I believe some discussion about this and you didn't sound too keen on the idea.

I would love a solution where I could just send the ECU off to Charlie and not have to mess with the EFI. I understand the power of a standalone system, I had the PowerFC in my FD RX-7 a couple years ago and while the ability to control just about everything was great it was a lot more control than I really cared for. I would be willing to sacrifice a 5 or so horsepower to a tune that would work anywhere and any season.

If this can be accommodated I will likely put in an order for the kit this coming January. Thanks!

[turbophil]

Boostu-

CX and I get in touch from time to time, but we've not really gone into a conversation in recent times about developing a flash for the system. The economics are kind of tough to make sense of (not impossible though) and he's already doing business with a competitor, which further adds complexity to the business aspect of the idea. So while it would be great to combine tallents on this system, I'm not too sure how likely it is to happen anytime in the near future.

In the meantime, the standalone has been working without complaint (on our system in particular). It integrates in such a way that switching back to the stock ECU is quite easy for emission purposes... That said, it's not the right solution for everyone. For those that have no interest in learning about engine dynamics, a "flash" based modification track may be the better route...

Cheers,

Phil

[robains]

Originally Posted by boostu

I would be willing to sacrifice a 5 or so horsepower to a tune that would work anywhere and any season.

Not sure where you got the idea that EFi would not work in any season, sure it was some false rumor, but Phil's maps do work in any season (as do mine) and KC has some pretty crappy seasons

I'll admit, some of the early EFi firmware needed a little work, but the latest firmware/software is rock solid for street/track use in ALL seasons.

Rob.

[boostu]

Originally Posted by robains

Not sure where you got the idea that EFi would not work in any season, sure it was some false rumor, but Phil's maps do work in any season (as do mine) and KC has some pretty crappy seasons

I'll admit, some of the early EFi firmware needed a little work, but the latest firmware/software is rock solid for street/track use in ALL seasons.

Rob.

I've read a couple EFI threads where the owners referenced having different maps for different seasons. I'll admit that it probably has more to do with those users wanting to be at or near the bleeding edge while factoring in ambient temperatures.

This request has more to do with not wanting to go standalone due to a lack of confidence in my wiring abilities and wanting the simplicity of a flash. As of now the Elise is my daily driver and while I will probably pick up a cheap beater while I'm installing the kit, afterward the Elise will remain my daily. The only time I won't be driving it is if something goes wrong.

Edit: Oops, didn't see your reply Phil.

So does the EFI have a harness adapter so that it's essentially plug and play with the stock wiring harness or is there splicing involved? I definitely do not want to splice into the stock wiring. Not that I'd ever plan on going back to the stock ECU after the TVS was installed, it just makes me... nervous. Oh and I have traction control on my Lotus ECU, is there an equivalent solution for EFI?

I understand the conflict of interest CX might have. Is he independent to the point where he could come down and do a custom dyno tune? I thought I've heard of him doing that. There's at least one more Elise owner in Phoenix that wants to go TVS next spring (and isn't excited about going standalone) so doing both at the same time might make it a bit more feasible.

[jim-clayton]

I know of at least 3 guys who want TVS with a Charlie tune.

Maybe a group buy?

or maybe it won't get cold enough this winter

I vote yes in any case.

[robains]

Oh it'll get cold, very cold, and it'll get HOT very hot. In my area, one day we're at 102+ F, 2 days later 50 F. We're breaking temp records every year on cold and hot extreme's -- the planet is PMSing, lets hope us fragiles can endure the mood swings.

But here's a thought, with EFi, you can "adjust" in a matter of 2 minutes, what are you gonna do when you need to adjust a flash tune? The only constant with a Lotus is change.

But if you want a flash tune, I see no reason why CharlieX can't do that for you with a TVS -- unofficially of course -- technically there is NOTHING preventing that from happening and my hunch is that it's already been done. Get your TVS, contact Charlie, it might cost you alittle more.

Rob

[fzust]

I have intake temp dependent timing curves on the XP car, which I think is a pretty standard thing you can do on the EFI. Fortunately about 800 posts back or so, Phil runs through the minimal temp gain the TVS adds under full load.