2-Eleven beats X-bow in Car Mag time trials - LotusTalk

Noah Vail · 09-29-2008, 09:41 AM

In Car Magazine's Performance Car of the Year time trials at Anglesey Circuit the 2-Eleven was 6th fastest out of 20 cars, the X-bow was 7th. The Atom, having more hp and less weight, was faster than both.

#1 Gumpert Apollo - :59.4
#2 (tie) Ariel Atom - 1:00.5
#3 (tie) Gallardo LP560-4 - 1:00.5
#4 GT-R - 1:00.6
#5 GT2 - 101.2
#6 2-Eleven - 101.9
#7 X-bow - 102.6
#8 Aston Martin DBS - 102.8

YouTube - Performance Car of the Year 2008: Time Trials [Car]

fitfan · 09-29-2008, 10:24 AM

that was cool! thanks for sharing

Murix · 09-29-2008, 10:34 AM

How is it the GT-R constantly defies both logic and physics. Not my cup of tea, but is an amazing piece of hardware.

SteveLevin · 09-29-2008, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Murix

How is it the GT-R constantly defies both logic and physics. Not my cup of tea, but is an amazing piece of hardware.

The GT-R is a demonstration of the next generation of suspension. When you can essentially have the optimum suspension settings without compromise for every single instant, coupled with a smart all wheel drive setup, it's just hard to beat.

Steve

mopho · 09-29-2008, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveLevin

The GT-R is a demonstration of the next generation of suspension. When you can essentially have the optimum suspension settings without compromise for every single instant, coupled with a smart all wheel drive setup, it's just hard to beat.

Steve

I don't think it is as much the suspension that is the key as it is the drivetrain, it's all about being able to put the power down.

JWA · 09-29-2008, 11:35 AM

I can't wait to see what Lotus does with a modern supercar in the next Esprit. So far, the current trend seems to indicate that light weight isn't as important as it would theoretically seem to be. At least not the most important thing with regards to laptimes. Of course, with the weight of the Evora being 3,000lbs already, the Esprit itself may not be that light - which would also be an interesting statement.

Allan Gibbs · 09-29-2008, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Murix

How is it the GT-R constantly defies both logic and physics. Not my cup of tea, but is an amazing piece of hardware.

The engineers at Nissan are witches. The GT-R, a tool of Lucifer.

FLuXeXigeS · 09-29-2008, 01:41 PM

cool vid thanx!!!

apexdc · 09-29-2008, 10:52 PM

There is more advantage to all wheel drive than you might think. Just a little bit of power going to front wheels helps a tremendous amount to overcome tire scrub, something our little buzzbombs fight. Witness the WRX, in general, as well as the GTR and Lambo in the comparison.

Bleu Omdurman · 09-30-2008, 12:19 AM

I am most impressed with the Lambo. I mean, a lambo? For real? I've never known them to be quick on a road course. But this 560-4 must be something.

As for the GT-R I really think the electronic bits are just more sorted out than anything we have seen in a road car to date. Congrats to Nissan for setting the standard. I am very excited for what Porsche et al do with their next generation. I am sure they will not give up the standard bearer status without a very tough fight.

I do, for some reason, love the way the Apollo looks, but sweet Jesus that thing is expensive!!

Cardinal · 09-30-2008, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Allan Gibbs

The engineers at Nissan are witches. The GT-R, a tool of Lucifer.

Bavarian Motorist · 09-30-2008, 06:05 AM

Everyone's amazed with the GT-R... I'm amazed with the Lamborghini. The previous Gallardo never tore up tests and mag reviews like this. This thing is at the top of EVERY review/test. Yeah, I know the price is high, but the price has always been high. Now it just gives a bit more... Still prefer previous G

The GT-R works because you can be half turned and mash the throttle and you will just go. It's about putting power down, like Mopho said.

Jamolah · 09-30-2008, 06:12 AM

Is it possible that conventional wisdom about lightweight is not important. How are these heavy, big cars doing this, the GT-R is 3800lbs. And it’s virtually pulling the same time as Atom! What the hell?!

DPM · 09-30-2008, 06:19 AM

# 4,5 and 6 have all been on my list for my next car, that is once I sell the Carbon Fiber Turbo Elise. Yes, it's for sale.........

FYI the Ariel Atoms are starting to show their weaknesses with component failure. One HUGE example is the nut on the stub axle (front and rear) is working loose and trashing the hub bearings. If one was not caught in time and allowed to work itself off then it would be a major disaster.

Another issue is the headers are cracking at the front.

Apparently these issues are starting to show up on the Ariel forum. I've seen it 1st hand at our shop.

DPM · 09-30-2008, 08:01 PM

Well it had to happen eventually....a KTM x-bow wrapped itself into the Armco at The Ring and wound up sitting on top of it. COMCAST video has some stills

wantanelise · 09-30-2008, 08:27 PM

The GTR is just too much. It doesn't make sence to me. I think it's a conspiracy. Can car company's pay magazines to skew the test results?

mopho · 09-30-2008, 09:18 PM

Well the results are a little skewed, all the cars after the GT-R appear to be tested on a damp track

R'elise Me · 09-30-2008, 10:02 PM

It's a flawed test due to wet conditions. 4WD would have a serious advantage in such conditions.

FLuXeXigeS · 09-30-2008, 11:40 PM

i never understood, why people / magazines test n the wet...unless the test is about how well a car is in the wet...then its money lost / thrown away

the tests are pretty much irrelevant

Murix · 09-30-2008, 11:44 PM

They have to pay for track time rain or shine. Sometimes they have deadlines to meet.

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apexdc From close to Roswell.... Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Palm Springs, CA Posts: 428	There is more advantage to all wheel drive than you might think. Just a little bit of power going to front wheels helps a tremendous amount to overcome tire scrub, something our little buzzbombs fight. Witness the WRX, in general, as well as the GTR and Lambo in the comparison. __________________ 2006 Elise, Graphite Grey/Red leather, Sport Elise Suspension, Hardtop 1992 900SS Ducati Race Spec Built by Ferracci 2006 KTM 950 SuperMoto, a work in progress Wife drives a 2007 Cooper S, our BIG car! Old stuff gone: Ferrari 275GTB/4, '69 1275 Cooper S. '72 500 Fiat, old Jags, etc. Never bought a boring car.

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Bleu Omdurman More track time please. Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,692	I am most impressed with the Lambo. I mean, a lambo? For real? I've never known them to be quick on a road course. But this 560-4 must be something. As for the GT-R I really think the electronic bits are just more sorted out than anything we have seen in a road car to date. Congrats to Nissan for setting the standard. I am very excited for what Porsche et al do with their next generation. I am sure they will not give up the standard bearer status without a very tough fight. I do, for some reason, love the way the Apollo looks, but sweet Jesus that thing is expensive!! __________________ Take my track day survey: here You should enjoy it. 10 questions. Now take survey #2 here Mods: TurboXS Intake, Ultra Disc Rotors, Adare Motorsports Racing Pads.

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Bavarian Motorist Live to Drive Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: NYC/Westchester, NY Posts: 10,852	Everyone's amazed with the GT-R... I'm amazed with the Lamborghini. The previous Gallardo never tore up tests and mag reviews like this. This thing is at the top of EVERY review/test. Yeah, I know the price is high, but the price has always been high. Now it just gives a bit more... Still prefer previous G The GT-R works because you can be half turned and mash the throttle and you will just go. It's about putting power down, like Mopho said. __________________ Be an alpha male. Drive a Lotus.

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Murix Rotary Refugee Join Date: May 2007 Location: Santa Monica Posts: 996 Images: 3	How is it the GT-R constantly defies both logic and physics. Not my cup of tea, but is an amazing piece of hardware.

09-29-2008, 11:35 AM	#6 (permalink)
JWA #33 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Racine, WI Posts: 3,737	I can't wait to see what Lotus does with a modern supercar in the next Esprit. So far, the current trend seems to indicate that light weight isn't as important as it would theoretically seem to be. At least not the most important thing with regards to laptimes. Of course, with the weight of the Evora being 3,000lbs already, the Esprit itself may not be that light - which would also be an interesting statement.

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Jamolah Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 385	Is it possible that conventional wisdom about lightweight is not important. How are these heavy, big cars doing this, the GT-R is 3800lbs. And it’s virtually pulling the same time as Atom! What the hell?!

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DPM Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 702	# 4,5 and 6 have all been on my list for my next car, that is once I sell the Carbon Fiber Turbo Elise. Yes, it's for sale......... FYI the Ariel Atoms are starting to show their weaknesses with component failure. One HUGE example is the nut on the stub axle (front and rear) is working loose and trashing the hub bearings. If one was not caught in time and allowed to work itself off then it would be a major disaster. Another issue is the headers are cracking at the front. Apparently these issues are starting to show up on the Ariel forum. I've seen it 1st hand at our shop. __________________ 2006 Diasio D962R Arancio Borealis SOLD: 05 Elise, Benetec Carbon Fiber full body & rear wing, FF 275 turbo kit , Ikeya sequential shifter, Ohlins coilovers, Porterfield R-4, Sector 111 RTD brace & HNT pad, Yokohama A048, Caterham seats, Simpson 5 point belts, Moroso oil pan, Sector 111 Boomerang, AutoMeter CF Oil Pres-Boost-Vac gauges. No AC, heat, airbags. 1619 pounds "wet"

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DPM Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 702	Well it had to happen eventually....a KTM x-bow wrapped itself into the Armco at The Ring and wound up sitting on top of it. COMCAST video has some stills __________________ 2006 Diasio D962R Arancio Borealis SOLD: 05 Elise, Benetec Carbon Fiber full body & rear wing, FF 275 turbo kit , Ikeya sequential shifter, Ohlins coilovers, Porterfield R-4, Sector 111 RTD brace & HNT pad, Yokohama A048, Caterham seats, Simpson 5 point belts, Moroso oil pan, Sector 111 Boomerang, AutoMeter CF Oil Pres-Boost-Vac gauges. No AC, heat, airbags. 1619 pounds "wet"

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wantanelise Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: upstate NY Posts: 1,298	The GTR is just too much. It doesn't make sence to me. I think it's a conspiracy. Can car company's pay magazines to skew the test results?

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mopho goofn' with the bees Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: out of a suitcase- my stuff lives in LA Posts: 5,309	Well the results are a little skewed, all the cars after the GT-R appear to be tested on a damp track __________________ ________________ 2004 Caterham 7 Superlight R - 67 Lotus Elan www.morgansegal.com www.socalsportscar.com

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R'elise Me My other car's a mtn bike Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Venice CA Posts: 1,367	It's a flawed test due to wet conditions. 4WD would have a serious advantage in such conditions. __________________ Sometimes you have to go in circles to move forward. 05 Elise NA 1750 lbs w/ full cage, fuel cell, aero, 173 whp - Colin would be proud. 2008 LR3 HSE 2005 Mini S Convertible If I'd thought that one day ALL my cars would be British, I'd have laughed at myself!

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FLuXeXigeS without a Lotus Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: SoCal/AZ/NV Posts: 4,708	i never understood, why people / magazines test n the wet...unless the test is about how well a car is in the wet...then its money lost / thrown away the tests are pretty much irrelevant __________________ -Coi- currently having Lotus withdrawals Facebook \| Twitter \| Pics \| Vids eBay Store

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