Cup Car vs 2-Eleven? - LotusTalk

boxerboy2 · 11-29-2008, 07:59 PM

I'm toying with the idea of getting back into competitve driving by starting with "track day toys". What are the opinions of the virtues of the 240/255 Cup Cars vs a 2-Eleven?

Obviously a 2-Eleven is $75 - 80k but I'm not sure what a previously enjoyed 240/255 would run, but all cost is a factor.

Anyone with a used Cup Car please contact me via PM.

Thanks

Abe · 11-30-2008, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by boxerboy2

I'm toying with the idea of getting back into competitve driving by starting with "track day toys". What are the opinions of the virtues of the 240/255 Cup Cars vs a 2-Eleven?

Obviously a 2-Eleven is $75 - 80k but I'm not sure what a previously enjoyed 240/255 would run, but all cost is a factor.

Anyone with a used Cup Car please contact me via PM.

Thanks

Do you like KG?

ads_green · 12-01-2008, 04:22 AM

The main thing with the 211 is the reduction in weight - pushing 200kgs/440lbs.

It has downsides - good weather really helps and driving everywhere in a crash helmet can get tiresome (Wiley X sunglasses help lots though).

The great thing about the 211 is that being all exposed just adds so much to the driving that it "feels" alot faster.

Ah - just remembered - accross the pond you arent' allowed to drive the 211 on the road. Can you trailer a car ok as this might make up your mind!

RichS · 12-01-2008, 05:16 AM

Over here (across the pond), the cup car can't be driven on the street either (legally). So it's a trailer situation either way.

To the OP: I'd go with the 211 over the cup car. Let's face it, an Exige is a GREAT track car, but there are certain compromises because it's street legal. The Cup car has those compromises (more weight than it should have for one), but isn't street legal. If you are not going to be able to drive the car on the street anyway, a cup car just seems like a compromise to me.

ads_green · 12-01-2008, 05:51 AM

Wasn't sure about the cup car being allowed either.

In that case if both cars are trailled tack only then I'd say go with the 211.

qu1Z · 12-01-2008, 07:07 AM

Cup car looks better.

ads_green · 12-01-2008, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by qu1Z

Cup car looks better.

maybe (eye of the beholder and all that) but the 211 goes better

Alphonse · 12-01-2008, 10:33 AM

I'll second the previous comment 2-11 +1

Jack · 12-01-2008, 11:12 AM

Get both....they like the company.

Noah Vail · 12-01-2008, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by qu1Z

Cup car looks better.

Have you seen a 2-Eleven in person? Photos don't convey its visual impact. When parked side by side with my 430 Spider, the 2-Eleven gets all the attention.

boxerboy2 · 12-01-2008, 01:42 PM

Actually I have seen a 2-Eleven and am very impressed. That said I thought it prudent to check with some others before plunking down a chunk of change.

Mr. Know · 12-01-2008, 01:50 PM

If you like Krypton Green, I know which car Abe is hinting about. I'm sure you can get it for a VERY good price.

def · 12-01-2008, 02:32 PM

That KG cup car is so sweet looking

One advantage that no one has mentioned is the full roll cage in the Cup car.

boxerboy2 · 12-01-2008, 07:58 PM

Any 255 Cup Car owners out there wanting/willing to add their $0.10?

Does anyone have a previously enjoyed 255 that they wish to part with?

Thanks!

road racer · 12-01-2008, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by def

One advantage that no one has mentioned is the full roll cage in the Cup car.

not really needed in an open top car. instead what you do is draw a line from the top of the roll bar to the top of whatever frame or reinforcement structure exists in front of the driver (i'm sure there's a formal name for this line, i just don't know it), and make sure your head (with helmet) fits under it.

notice that open wheel cars and sports racers don't have roll cages. however, the driver must be short enough to fit within this safe area.

that doesn't work in a car with a windshield and roof, as those parts will deform across that "roll plane" in a rollover and intrude into the cockpit if not for the cage.

ads_green · 12-02-2008, 03:29 AM

Agreed - the roll cage in the 211 is surprisingly large. You don't realise until you sit in it just how much of it is up and above you. I know I feel nice a safe in there.

Also makes getting in and out alot easier

Alphonse · 12-02-2008, 03:51 AM

Hmmmm. either I got short chnaged on the roll bar or it shrunk in the crossing. All that salt in the air ya know. May need an extension.

Jack · 12-02-2008, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by boxerboy2

Any 255 Cup Car owners out there wanting/willing to add their $0.10?

Does anyone have a previously enjoyed 255 that they wish to part with?

Thanks!

I did give you my 10 cents...

You've got a PM.

xtn · 12-02-2008, 11:58 AM

I'm pretty sure it's referred to as the "broomstick" line.

xtn

def · 12-02-2008, 02:24 PM

I'm not sure taller drivers pass the broomstick test (image isn't hotlinking), here's patricko:

http://i.pbase.com/o6/72/659372/1/81...4T7009Edit.jpg

Some tracks/clubs may not allow you to run just for this reason. I'm just getting into HPDE's, but one club didn't let me run in my elise because of this (look at my avatar to the left, you can how high my helmet is and I'm only 6 foot, maybe 6'1)

some have gone to further lengths. Maybe it's a requirement for the series and not necessary... I'm not sure. I guess it depends on the owner and what they plan to do with thier car

11-29-2008, 07:59 PM	#1 (permalink)
boxerboy2 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 65	Cup Car vs 2-Eleven? I'm toying with the idea of getting back into competitve driving by starting with "track day toys". What are the opinions of the virtues of the 240/255 Cup Cars vs a 2-Eleven? Obviously a 2-Eleven is $75 - 80k but I'm not sure what a previously enjoyed 240/255 would run, but all cost is a factor. Anyone with a used Cup Car please contact me via PM. Thanks __________________ government stealing from you too?

12-01-2008, 05:16 AM	#4 (permalink)
RichS No, it's only an N/A Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 3,285	Over here (across the pond), the cup car can't be driven on the street either (legally). So it's a trailer situation either way. To the OP: I'd go with the 211 over the cup car. Let's face it, an Exige is a GREAT track car, but there are certain compromises because it's street legal. The Cup car has those compromises (more weight than it should have for one), but isn't street legal. If you are not going to be able to drive the car on the street anyway, a cup car just seems like a compromise to me. __________________ Useful links to vendors removed at Nadeem's request. "Nice avatar by the way, I doubt Colin Chapman would have followed the herd as I have seen many here do. --Nadeem"

12-01-2008, 07:07 AM	#6 (permalink)
qu1Z ub3r s3xy Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Montana Posts: 424	Cup car looks better. __________________ 2005 Lotus Elise (Chrome Orange) - RIP 2006 Lotus Exige (Aspen White) - Larini SE Exhaust/Decat & Naked.

12-01-2008, 11:12 AM	#9 (permalink)
Jack Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,072	Get both....they like the company. Attached Images __________________ Jack '07 Exige Cup 255 '08 2-Eleven Track videos ... http://www.youtube.com/jackcup Last edited by Jack : 12-02-2008 at 09:42 AM.

12-01-2008, 01:42 PM	#11 (permalink)
boxerboy2 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 65	Actually I have seen a 2-Eleven and am very impressed. That said I thought it prudent to check with some others before plunking down a chunk of change. __________________ government stealing from you too?

12-01-2008, 04:22 AM	#3 (permalink)
ads_green Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 359	The main thing with the 211 is the reduction in weight - pushing 200kgs/440lbs. It has downsides - good weather really helps and driving everywhere in a crash helmet can get tiresome (Wiley X sunglasses help lots though). The great thing about the 211 is that being all exposed just adds so much to the driving that it "feels" alot faster. Ah - just remembered - accross the pond you arent' allowed to drive the 211 on the road. Can you trailer a car ok as this might make up your mind!

12-01-2008, 05:51 AM	#5 (permalink)
ads_green Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 359	Wasn't sure about the cup car being allowed either. In that case if both cars are trailled tack only then I'd say go with the 211.

12-01-2008, 10:33 AM	#8 (permalink)
Alphonse Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 912 Images: 10	I'll second the previous comment 2-11 +1

12-01-2008, 01:50 PM	#12 (permalink)
Mr. Know British by extrapolation Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Marin, California Posts: 3,350 Images: 6	If you like Krypton Green, I know which car Abe is hinting about. I'm sure you can get it for a VERY good price. __________________ 07 Magnetic Blue Exige S Join the Blue Lotus Team on Facebook.

12-01-2008, 02:32 PM	#13 (permalink)
def ...ault Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mountain View, CA Posts: 2,610	That KG cup car is so sweet looking One advantage that no one has mentioned is the full roll cage in the Cup car. __________________ //kevin - 05 Graphite Gray - Red Touring / LSS / Starshield / Stage 2 + more SOLD after 1192 days and 22961 miles

12-01-2008, 07:58 PM	#14 (permalink)
boxerboy2 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 65	Any 255 Cup Car owners out there wanting/willing to add their $0.10? Does anyone have a previously enjoyed 255 that they wish to part with? Thanks! __________________ government stealing from you too?

12-02-2008, 03:29 AM	#16 (permalink)
ads_green Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 359	Agreed - the roll cage in the 211 is surprisingly large. You don't realise until you sit in it just how much of it is up and above you. I know I feel nice a safe in there. Also makes getting in and out alot easier

12-02-2008, 03:51 AM	#17 (permalink)
Alphonse Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 912 Images: 10	Hmmmm. either I got short chnaged on the roll bar or it shrunk in the crossing. All that salt in the air ya know. May need an extension.

12-02-2008, 11:58 AM	#19 (permalink)
xtn McLareghini Bugatterrari Join Date: May 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 6,845	I'm pretty sure it's referred to as the "broomstick" line. xtn __________________ 2006 McLareghini Bugatterrari, Storm Titanium... <mods> installed: air horn, Scroth 4-point ASM harnesses, Sector111 halon extinguisher and mounting bracket, Von Hep exhaust and rear panel delete, Pagid brake pads, red Volks CE28n wheels, Toyo RA-1 tires, Nitron SA coilovers, Sector111 (WorksBell) quick-disconnect steering wheel kit. awaiting installation: Scroth "pull-up" lap belts, Sector111 RTD Brace, Tony's heater bypass mod, and dropped steering rack mounting plates. </mods>

12-02-2008, 02:24 PM	#20 (permalink)
def ...ault Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mountain View, CA Posts: 2,610	I'm not sure taller drivers pass the broomstick test (image isn't hotlinking), here's patricko: http://i.pbase.com/o6/72/659372/1/81...4T7009Edit.jpg Some tracks/clubs may not allow you to run just for this reason. I'm just getting into HPDE's, but one club didn't let me run in my elise because of this (look at my avatar to the left, you can how high my helmet is and I'm only 6 foot, maybe 6'1) some have gone to further lengths. Maybe it's a requirement for the series and not necessary... I'm not sure. I guess it depends on the owner and what they plan to do with thier car __________________ //kevin - 05 Graphite Gray - Red Touring / LSS / Starshield / Stage 2 + more SOLD after 1192 days and 22961 miles Last edited by def : 12-02-2008 at 02:48 PM.

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