This dude is one crazy driver.... - Page 2 - LotusTalk

CertifiedCC · 08-30-2008, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RacyTracy

I entered 'Lotus Exige Porsche' into YouTube, then just checked each page until I found it.

lol r u serious or just messin with me?

Noisycow · 08-30-2008, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ace996

Yep, 996GT3...buy that man a beer!!!

And the driver would be beaten with his own helmet when the session was done...what a tool.

Not a track racer here, so this is a real NOOB question -why?

When at a track are you supposed to be completely in control? Like the other guy said, looks like racing to me ....

CertifiedCC · 08-30-2008, 09:48 PM

Yea I'm not a tracker either and I also have a NOOB question, what happens if you crash with someone at the track?

RacyTracy · 08-30-2008, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CertifiedCC

lol r u serious or just messin with me?

I'm serious....lol...it was on the second page, I think.

RacyTracy · 08-30-2008, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noisycow

When at a track are you supposed to be completely in control?

Always.

Randy Chase · 08-30-2008, 09:58 PM

First you have to determine if you are discussing HPDE or a W2W race.

But even a W2W race has rules. Each series is different in those rules, but you basically are supposed to drive under control and not cause accidents. There are rights of way on the track, if a car has position. You are not allowed to just force your way through.

And a HPDE is even more strict since the idea is not to wreck your car (and risk injury or death). Every track/group has different rules, and normally passing in a corner is ONLY allowed in the advanced groups, and with the other driver either giving a pass by signal, or at least knowing. Not just from a car dive bombing into the corner with a move he could not even make stick.

The way the Porsche was driving, I would have expected him to be black flagged (if this was a HPDE) and given a stern talking to, or told to go home.

If this was a race, maybe a different story. But if he causes an incident, he could be fined, penalized, or blacklisted.

Noisycow · 08-30-2008, 09:58 PM

If it is a free for all, I guess it would be better to be driving a souped up POS.

Randy Chase · 08-30-2008, 10:01 PM

Typically it works both ways.

Drivers of expensive cars don't want them hurt. Drivers of old beaters or cheap spec cars, well, they may take more chances.

Noisycow · 08-30-2008, 10:04 PM

OK, but what if someone did lose control and causes a major smash fest? Are they liable or do drivers just accept that possibility at their own risk?

What would be worse than driving a $250k Ferrari and have some spaz run into you in his Honda?

I mean I don't see a cop pulling up and asking each driver what happened

.

Randy Chase · 08-30-2008, 10:05 PM

The Ferrari owner accepted that risk when he went on the track.

One reason to be picky about who you run with, including the organization. Specially the organization. Do they deal with novices? Make them run in a separate group? Offer instruction? Have adequate corner workers under instruction to be strict? Do they not allow unlimited passing?

Groups should be of similar ability. In a perfect world, it would be also be similar cars, but reality is such that this is not normally possible. Mixing 750hp tube frame race cars with 130hp Miatas means a lot of merging. Plus you can also end up with frustration (which can lead to incidents) with higher hp cars that are slower in the turns.

Noisycow · 08-30-2008, 10:15 PM

I need to give track racing a try sometime. It is too bad the tracks no longer seem to have track day for idiots. In high school, at PIR, they let people have at it in their old cars for an hour or two for a flat fee. My friend drove his Impala ex-police car and they would just go nuts. That would be fun to me. No worries about damage, free for all. That was a lot safer than the I-5 PDX-Seattle whoever gets there first races.

Oh yeah --

-- in the early 90s they would open up PIR for rollerbladers - haha - I did that a couple of times - very strange.

In a REAL track race it must be a challenge to stay calm for the distance. The adrenaline rush and all.

Randy Chase · 08-30-2008, 10:22 PM

Hard to do that when people do dumb things and/or get killed hurt. Someone died from doing a lunchtime parade lap at slow speed at Buttonwillow.

steuspeed · 08-30-2008, 10:25 PM

Some pretty good Lotus overtaking here.

YouTube - Lotus Elise racing,How to overtake at Bathurst, Australia,

Noisycow · 08-31-2008, 02:46 AM

Wow - balls of steel.

The problem I'd have with track racing is that you have to trust that the other drivers won't do something stupid like cut you off.

Since in my experience over 95% of people are morons, odds are not great.

Conrad · 08-31-2008, 02:53 AM

First vid should be used by Porsche, as an exemple of how NOT to corner with one.... i.e. guy is going sideways cos he doesnt power out of the corner, possibly because he came in too fast ? but more likely because he doesnt dare commit to th gas pedal as soon as care has reached apex, certainly if he had hit the gas pedal on the last corner he would not have slid out, certainly no racer

it was also possible that driver was doing this on purpose, but when looking at his "saves" did not look that controlled, basically an accident waiting to happen...

Serebo1 · 08-31-2008, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RacyTracy

I entered 'Lotus Exige Porsche' into YouTube, then just checked each page until I found it.

In the future, just double-click on the player window.

apk919 · 08-31-2008, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Noisycow

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In a REAL track race it must be a challenge to stay calm for the distance. The adrenaline rush and all.

You learn very quickly that anger and/or aggression does not lead to lower lap times. Over-driving a car makes you slow... very slow... compared to someone who's calmly and consistently hitting their braking and turn-in points.

jim-clayton · 08-31-2008, 05:26 AM

I'm attending a HPDE "night" event at Sebring this month. I may stay in the pits after seeing this video.

I was impressed by the guys car control. At one point he has a 1-1/2 turns
in the wheel and keeps going. I know he was pushing too hard but he had more mid corner steering in one lap than I have had in 3 years of HPDE.

D713B · 08-31-2008, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Bavarian Motorist

It's a Porsche 911

EDIT: COULD be a 996 turbo based on the steering wheel design and acceleration...

It's a 3-spoke sport steering wheel that is an option on all 996 911's. Has nothing to do with the model. Definitely a GT3, as mentioned, with that exhaust note and how easily it gets "squirrely" in the turns.

milehitom · 08-31-2008, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RacyTracy

I entered 'Lotus Exige Porsche' into YouTube, then just checked each page until I found it.

Journalist.

I would have let the Porsche by just so I could have a better view of his sliding. And subsequent off...you know it's gonna happen.

Tom

08-30-2008, 09:58 PM	#26 (permalink)
Randy Chase Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: San Diego and where ever the roads lead Posts: 28,175 Images: 761	First you have to determine if you are discussing HPDE or a W2W race. But even a W2W race has rules. Each series is different in those rules, but you basically are supposed to drive under control and not cause accidents. There are rights of way on the track, if a car has position. You are not allowed to just force your way through. And a HPDE is even more strict since the idea is not to wreck your car (and risk injury or death). Every track/group has different rules, and normally passing in a corner is ONLY allowed in the advanced groups, and with the other driver either giving a pass by signal, or at least knowing. Not just from a car dive bombing into the corner with a move he could not even make stick. The way the Porsche was driving, I would have expected him to be black flagged (if this was a HPDE) and given a stern talking to, or told to go home. If this was a race, maybe a different story. But if he causes an incident, he could be fined, penalized, or blacklisted. __________________ * V E R I T A S * A E Q U I T A S * No Longer the ADMIN here, please do not PM me asking for help. Thanks! http://www.facebook.com/randychase 1991 Toyota MR2. AutoX Beast 2006 Noble M400. Track weapon. 2009 Rossion Q1. Monaco Orange. Canyon Carver. In build: 2009 Toniq R (300whp? 1100 pounds?). Chrome Orange. Lexus GX-470 tow vehicle. On Order: Lotus Evora Next: McLaren MP4-12C

08-30-2008, 09:58 PM	#27 (permalink)
Noisycow Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,468	If it is a free for all, I guess it would be better to be driving a souped up POS. __________________ - - - - http://thecomingdepression.blogspot.com/ No longer the coming Depression, it is already here.

08-30-2008, 10:01 PM	#28 (permalink)
Randy Chase Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: San Diego and where ever the roads lead Posts: 28,175 Images: 761	Typically it works both ways. Drivers of expensive cars don't want them hurt. Drivers of old beaters or cheap spec cars, well, they may take more chances. __________________ * V E R I T A S * A E Q U I T A S * No Longer the ADMIN here, please do not PM me asking for help. Thanks! http://www.facebook.com/randychase 1991 Toyota MR2. AutoX Beast 2006 Noble M400. Track weapon. 2009 Rossion Q1. Monaco Orange. Canyon Carver. In build: 2009 Toniq R (300whp? 1100 pounds?). Chrome Orange. Lexus GX-470 tow vehicle. On Order: Lotus Evora Next: McLaren MP4-12C

08-30-2008, 10:05 PM	#30 (permalink)
Randy Chase Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: San Diego and where ever the roads lead Posts: 28,175 Images: 761	The Ferrari owner accepted that risk when he went on the track. One reason to be picky about who you run with, including the organization. Specially the organization. Do they deal with novices? Make them run in a separate group? Offer instruction? Have adequate corner workers under instruction to be strict? Do they not allow unlimited passing? Groups should be of similar ability. In a perfect world, it would be also be similar cars, but reality is such that this is not normally possible. Mixing 750hp tube frame race cars with 130hp Miatas means a lot of merging. Plus you can also end up with frustration (which can lead to incidents) with higher hp cars that are slower in the turns. __________________ * V E R I T A S * A E Q U I T A S * No Longer the ADMIN here, please do not PM me asking for help. Thanks! http://www.facebook.com/randychase 1991 Toyota MR2. AutoX Beast 2006 Noble M400. Track weapon. 2009 Rossion Q1. Monaco Orange. Canyon Carver. In build: 2009 Toniq R (300whp? 1100 pounds?). Chrome Orange. Lexus GX-470 tow vehicle. On Order: Lotus Evora Next: McLaren MP4-12C

08-30-2008, 10:22 PM	#32 (permalink)
Randy Chase Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: San Diego and where ever the roads lead Posts: 28,175 Images: 761	Hard to do that when people do dumb things and/or get killed hurt. Someone died from doing a lunchtime parade lap at slow speed at Buttonwillow. __________________ * V E R I T A S * A E Q U I T A S * No Longer the ADMIN here, please do not PM me asking for help. Thanks! http://www.facebook.com/randychase 1991 Toyota MR2. AutoX Beast 2006 Noble M400. Track weapon. 2009 Rossion Q1. Monaco Orange. Canyon Carver. In build: 2009 Toniq R (300whp? 1100 pounds?). Chrome Orange. Lexus GX-470 tow vehicle. On Order: Lotus Evora Next: McLaren MP4-12C

08-30-2008, 09:48 PM	#23 (permalink)
CertifiedCC BANNED Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Northern VA [The BEST Part of VA.(Sadly)] Posts: 875 Images: 4	Yea I'm not a tracker either and I also have a NOOB question, what happens if you crash with someone at the track?

08-30-2008, 10:04 PM	#29 (permalink)
Noisycow Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,468	OK, but what if someone did lose control and causes a major smash fest? Are they liable or do drivers just accept that possibility at their own risk? What would be worse than driving a $250k Ferrari and have some spaz run into you in his Honda? I mean I don't see a cop pulling up and asking each driver what happened .

08-30-2008, 10:15 PM	#31 (permalink)
Noisycow Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,468	I need to give track racing a try sometime. It is too bad the tracks no longer seem to have track day for idiots. In high school, at PIR, they let people have at it in their old cars for an hour or two for a flat fee. My friend drove his Impala ex-police car and they would just go nuts. That would be fun to me. No worries about damage, free for all. That was a lot safer than the I-5 PDX-Seattle whoever gets there first races. Oh yeah -- -- in the early 90s they would open up PIR for rollerbladers - haha - I did that a couple of times - very strange. In a REAL track race it must be a challenge to stay calm for the distance. The adrenaline rush and all.

08-31-2008, 02:46 AM	#34 (permalink)
Noisycow Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,468	Wow - balls of steel. The problem I'd have with track racing is that you have to trust that the other drivers won't do something stupid like cut you off. Since in my experience over 95% of people are morons, odds are not great.

08-31-2008, 02:53 AM	#35 (permalink)
Conrad Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Geneva, Switzerland Posts: 116	First vid should be used by Porsche, as an exemple of how NOT to corner with one.... i.e. guy is going sideways cos he doesnt power out of the corner, possibly because he came in too fast ? but more likely because he doesnt dare commit to th gas pedal as soon as care has reached apex, certainly if he had hit the gas pedal on the last corner he would not have slid out, certainly no racer it was also possible that driver was doing this on purpose, but when looking at his "saves" did not look that controlled, basically an accident waiting to happen...

08-31-2008, 05:26 AM	#38 (permalink)
jim-clayton Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Fort Lauderdale Florida Posts: 1,634	I'm attending a HPDE "night" event at Sebring this month. I may stay in the pits after seeing this video. I was impressed by the guys car control. At one point he has a 1-1/2 turns in the wheel and keeps going. I know he was pushing too hard but he had more mid corner steering in one lap than I have had in 3 years of HPDE. __________________ 2005 Elise Storm Titanium

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