This dude is one crazy driver.... - Page 3 - LotusTalk

CK_lotus · 08-31-2008, 10:28 AM

I agree, it's a Porsche. It's just plain racing. He tried to outbrake the Exige and overshot. At least he had balls to try it.

Viva Exige!

ZJChaser · 08-31-2008, 11:57 AM

you can just wait till the video ends and it says Lotus vs Porsche GT3

ZJChaser · 08-31-2008, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noisycow

The problem I'd have with track racing is that you have to trust that the other drivers won't do something stupid like cut you off.

Since in my experience over 95% of people are morons, odds are not great.

When driving the lotus I trust the drivers in my advanced HPDE group on track FAR more than I do the other drivers on the freeway everyday. Especially if you run with the same group frequently you get to know most everyone that runs in the respective groups.

NMRJock · 08-31-2008, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CK_lotus

I agree, it's a Porsche. It's just plain racing. He tried to outbrake the Exige and overshot. At least he had balls to try it.

Viva Exige!

The question is whether or not this was supposed to be racing. I doubt it, considering his apparel. Looks like HPDE to me. If that's what it was he should have been removed from the track.

RacyTracy · 08-31-2008, 12:39 PM

If that was me driving, I would have deleted the video from my CF card, not posted it.

ExigeMania · 08-31-2008, 01:05 PM

What i think is that the 911 needs rear tyres ASAP

Chili Red · 08-31-2008, 01:23 PM

To me it looks like the guy is purposely inducing lift oversteer and then getting back on the power to bring it back. Its really a slow way around a corner, but probably fun. Personally I think the guy is just driving like an asshat and putting other people on the track in danger.

Its pretty clear this is not a racing event as the clothing just wont fly in any sanctioned race.

robains · 08-31-2008, 01:40 PM

Would love to do more night events, only did one race at night (Las Vegas).

Porsche, look at steering wheel emblem (GT3 variant is my guess, didn't hear any boost). Definitely not a race as nobody would drive like that in a race -- just too slow. My guess is this guy knew the Lotus driver and was just show casing what Porsche's do well in rear end drifts.

I hope he had done some suspension mods to make it step out like that so easily, even that high speed kink and he had to catch the rear, so I'm guessing the car is either setup for drifting or Porsche's have horrible oversteer.

I wouldn't have any problem with someone doing that to me in a HPDE 4 group, in fact, someone has done that to me while in my old Cobra, it was funny, but it is the SLOW way around.

I'm not a big fan of drifting, but to each his/her own.

Rob

D713B · 08-31-2008, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robains

Would love to do more night events, only did one race at night (Las Vegas).

Porsche, look at steering wheel emblem (GT3 variant is my guess, didn't hear any boost). Definitely not a race as nobody would drive like that in a race -- just too slow. My guess is this guy knew the Lotus driver and was just show casing what Porsche's do well in rear end drifts.

I hope he had done some suspension mods to make it step out like that so easily, even that high speed kink and he had to catch the rear, so I'm guessing the car is either setup for drifting or Porsche's have horrible oversteer.

I wouldn't have any problem with someone doing that to me in a HPDE 4 group, in fact, someone has done that to me while in my old Cobra, it was funny, but it is the SLOW way around.

I'm not a big fan of drifting, but to each his/her own.

Rob

GT3's are very easy to get a little sideways, especially on the stock tires, I doubt the car was set up for drifting.

iko · 08-31-2008, 03:33 PM

I'm a new member from Italy, and a new owner of a Elise SC!
That's my first post 'round here...

I was looking randomly at some threads and I found this video which is made by a friend of mine! Actually they are both (and I am as well) part of a track-addicted group of people here in Italy, track4fun.com!

It was a trackday event here in Italy (oh, we don't have groups nor classes on track) and in this particular case it was the end of a long day in this track (that's why there are such a few cars). The porsche driver know the lotus driver very well and at the end of the day, with the tires almost gone he decided to have some fun..
He was not racing or trying to put him in danger, they were just both having fun, and they were always definitely in control of their cars!

Sorry for my bad english... Hope to improve it by writing here as well!

P.S. It is a 996 GT3 MK2 with original suspension, semislick tires, and handmade exhaust!

Mr. Know · 08-31-2008, 04:02 PM

Ahh...now it all makes sense.

powerbookguy · 08-31-2008, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NMRJock

He was way over his head in just about every corner. An accident waiting to happen.

+1

CK_lotus · 08-31-2008, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chili Red

To me it looks like the guy is purposely inducing lift oversteer and then getting back on the power to bring it back. Its really a slow way around a corner, but probably fun. Personally I think the guy is just driving like an asshat and putting other people on the track in danger.

Its pretty clear this is not a racing event as the clothing just wont fly in any sanctioned race.

In that case, I agree with you.

robains · 08-31-2008, 07:31 PM

iko, that's what I thought.

Porsche driver seems talented enough ... like I said, I'm not a big drifting fan, but still, takes some talent to know how to pitch and slide like that...and him being Italian, well there ya go, more balls than brains ... he he he

evotell · 09-12-2008, 06:31 AM

The guy was over driving the 911, way to aggressive unlike the guy in the Lotus.

Smooth is quickest

RichS · 09-12-2008, 07:07 AM

If two drivers who know each other very well are out having fun on a track at the end of the day, then I have no problem with either of their driving. The Porsche driver KNEW he was on the edge of control and likewise the Lotus driver knew the Porsche was on the edge of control. To me this is an 'eyes wide open' type of situation. Yes, both drivers knew that by driving around a track together like that they were increasing their risk of something bad happening, but they both consciously made that choice. In that case... Play away. (Obviously as long as it doesn't effect anyone else out on the track.)

xtn · 09-12-2008, 07:49 AM

Iko said it was a trackday without any organized groups or instruction. Doesn't sound like the kind of event we're used to around here. Sounds more like a bunch of guys just get together to rent the track and then have at it without a lot of structured rules.

I remember myself in the blue run group (level two out of four the way they do things around here) and it was kinda like that. Well, not the dive bombing other cars mid corner, but the driving style. Of course I don't have the power to drift like that, but I'm talking about the degree of hacking going on. Over driving, thinking there isn't any possible way to get faster because you're working it to the max. That's what it feels like. Of course we eventually learn how to go faster by not working it so hard.

But that guy looks like I remember feeling when I was at that point.

xtn

Conan · 09-15-2008, 06:52 AM

Title of video is "Exige vs 911 GT3". So I'm guessing it's a 911 GT3.

As far as the behavior and whether it's racing, DE, or whatever: It's all going to depend on whoever is running it. I seriously doubt it was a sanctioned race of any kind since (as has already been pointed out) the driver wasn't wearing any kind of safety gear other than a helment and the car looked totally stock.

In any case, the moron doesn't know how to drive, IMO. Sure, he showed some control skills, but he clearly doesn't understand how to hold a line and maximize his exit speed. Conversely, I thought the Exige driver looked very smooth.

azmurciev12 · 09-15-2008, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chili Red

To me it looks like the guy is purposely inducing lift oversteer and then getting back on the power to bring it back. Its really a slow way around a corner, but probably fun. Personally I think the guy is just driving like an asshat and putting other people on the track in danger.

Its pretty clear this is not a racing event as the clothing just wont fly in any sanctioned race.

i thought i was the only one thinking that the porsche driver is purposely doing the drifting maneuver. you can see in his movements that everything is controlled. i don't think a beginner, who didn't purposely oversteer, would react so calmly and calculated.

i actually find the porsche driver quite experienced and simply having a good time. i've been to the track many times and i still cannot do what this guy is doing.

Greenstreak · 09-15-2008, 08:31 AM

Even if I knew the guy behaving like that he would still make me very very nervous on track. Enough so that I would back way off and let him play.

08-31-2008, 10:28 AM	#41 (permalink)
CK_lotus Houston, TX Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 340	I agree, it's a Porsche. It's just plain racing. He tried to outbrake the Exige and overshot. At least he had balls to try it. Viva Exige! __________________ "Lotta people go through life doing things badly. Racing's important to men who do it well. When you´re racing, it’s life, anything that happens before or after is just waiting." (Steve McQueen, 1971) Daily driver -- '07 Graphite Grey Exige S with all factory options.

08-31-2008, 11:57 AM	#42 (permalink)
ZJChaser Blue Wheel Pimp Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Laguna Hills, CA Posts: 2,851	you can just wait till the video ends and it says Lotus vs Porsche GT3 __________________ AJ - Akua Solutions - #128 Lotus Exige - JRZ Suspension - Innovative Mounts - Toyo Tires - TW Research Development

08-31-2008, 12:39 PM	#45 (permalink)
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08-31-2008, 01:23 PM	#47 (permalink)
Chili Red Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 2,204	To me it looks like the guy is purposely inducing lift oversteer and then getting back on the power to bring it back. Its really a slow way around a corner, but probably fun. Personally I think the guy is just driving like an asshat and putting other people on the track in danger. Its pretty clear this is not a racing event as the clothing just wont fly in any sanctioned race. __________________ 2007 Exige S - Chili Red 2009 Mini Cooper S - Chili Red Gotham 265, Nitron Sport Pro, Moroso oil pan, RTVBrace, Volk CE28N/R888, Cup Wheels/A048, 2Bular Ultra 4", Rapfix II w/ Sparco P300, S111 CF Splitter, Ultradiscs, Pagid RS42, V-Force Harness Bar, Schroth PROFI II, Fire Extinguisher, Folding Tow Hook, Odyssey PC680, re-ENFORCER, LLumar 30% tint, Traqmate, DashDAQ, Chasecam, Alpine IVA-D100 w/ Backup Camera.

08-31-2008, 01:40 PM	#48 (permalink)
robains 2007 Exige S Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: CA, Bay Area Posts: 1,820	Would love to do more night events, only did one race at night (Las Vegas). Porsche, look at steering wheel emblem (GT3 variant is my guess, didn't hear any boost). Definitely not a race as nobody would drive like that in a race -- just too slow. My guess is this guy knew the Lotus driver and was just show casing what Porsche's do well in rear end drifts. I hope he had done some suspension mods to make it step out like that so easily, even that high speed kink and he had to catch the rear, so I'm guessing the car is either setup for drifting or Porsche's have horrible oversteer. I wouldn't have any problem with someone doing that to me in a HPDE 4 group, in fact, someone has done that to me while in my old Cobra, it was funny, but it is the SLOW way around. I'm not a big fan of drifting, but to each his/her own. Rob __________________ '07 Exige S (Track Pack & LSD) + EFi 550ci injectors + Mahle 9:1 + DRS Port + SuperTech Valves + Weapon R Header + 2.9" pully + TODA Clutch + FF Engine Damper + RLS IC + Greddy catch cans + opened roof slot + RTD brace + Milled steering arms + Larini 8" + FF air intake + Moroso oil pan + Ultradisc 2 piece front/rear + Reverie 1650mm wing + ReVerie front splitter + IQ3 Dash + 4pt ASM + Pioneer AVIC-N2 nav + rear camera + RAC monolites 888s 195/225 + Lotus LSS Hoosier R6 205/225 @ 1921 lbs

08-31-2008, 01:05 PM	#46 (permalink)
ExigeMania Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 97	What i think is that the 911 needs rear tyres ASAP

08-31-2008, 03:33 PM	#50 (permalink)
iko Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: italy Posts: 5	I'm a new member from Italy, and a new owner of a Elise SC! That's my first post 'round here... I was looking randomly at some threads and I found this video which is made by a friend of mine! Actually they are both (and I am as well) part of a track-addicted group of people here in Italy, track4fun.com! It was a trackday event here in Italy (oh, we don't have groups nor classes on track) and in this particular case it was the end of a long day in this track (that's why there are such a few cars). The porsche driver know the lotus driver very well and at the end of the day, with the tires almost gone he decided to have some fun.. He was not racing or trying to put him in danger, they were just both having fun, and they were always definitely in control of their cars! Sorry for my bad english... Hope to improve it by writing here as well! P.S. It is a 996 GT3 MK2 with original suspension, semislick tires, and handmade exhaust!

08-31-2008, 04:02 PM	#51 (permalink)
Mr. Know British by extrapolation Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Marin, California Posts: 3,350 Images: 6	Ahh...now it all makes sense. __________________ 07 Magnetic Blue Exige S Join the Blue Lotus Team on Facebook.

08-31-2008, 07:31 PM	#54 (permalink)
robains 2007 Exige S Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: CA, Bay Area Posts: 1,820	iko, that's what I thought. Porsche driver seems talented enough ... like I said, I'm not a big drifting fan, but still, takes some talent to know how to pitch and slide like that...and him being Italian, well there ya go, more balls than brains ... he he he __________________ '07 Exige S (Track Pack & LSD) + EFi 550ci injectors + Mahle 9:1 + DRS Port + SuperTech Valves + Weapon R Header + 2.9" pully + TODA Clutch + FF Engine Damper + RLS IC + Greddy catch cans + opened roof slot + RTD brace + Milled steering arms + Larini 8" + FF air intake + Moroso oil pan + Ultradisc 2 piece front/rear + Reverie 1650mm wing + ReVerie front splitter + IQ3 Dash + 4pt ASM + Pioneer AVIC-N2 nav + rear camera + RAC monolites 888s 195/225 + Lotus LSS Hoosier R6 205/225 @ 1921 lbs

09-12-2008, 06:31 AM	#55 (permalink)
evotell PETROL HEAD Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Red Deer, Alberta Posts: 301	The guy was over driving the 911, way to aggressive unlike the guy in the Lotus. Smooth is quickest __________________ 2009 EVO X MR 2007 CRG 125 Kart 2008 Jeep Grand Cherokee Diesel

09-12-2008, 07:07 AM	#56 (permalink)
RichS No, it's only an N/A Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 3,285	If two drivers who know each other very well are out having fun on a track at the end of the day, then I have no problem with either of their driving. The Porsche driver KNEW he was on the edge of control and likewise the Lotus driver knew the Porsche was on the edge of control. To me this is an 'eyes wide open' type of situation. Yes, both drivers knew that by driving around a track together like that they were increasing their risk of something bad happening, but they both consciously made that choice. In that case... Play away. (Obviously as long as it doesn't effect anyone else out on the track.) __________________ Useful links to vendors removed at Nadeem's request. "Nice avatar by the way, I doubt Colin Chapman would have followed the herd as I have seen many here do. --Nadeem"

09-12-2008, 07:49 AM	#57 (permalink)
xtn McLareghini Bugatterrari Join Date: May 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 6,845	Iko said it was a trackday without any organized groups or instruction. Doesn't sound like the kind of event we're used to around here. Sounds more like a bunch of guys just get together to rent the track and then have at it without a lot of structured rules. I remember myself in the blue run group (level two out of four the way they do things around here) and it was kinda like that. Well, not the dive bombing other cars mid corner, but the driving style. Of course I don't have the power to drift like that, but I'm talking about the degree of hacking going on. Over driving, thinking there isn't any possible way to get faster because you're working it to the max. That's what it feels like. Of course we eventually learn how to go faster by not working it so hard. But that guy looks like I remember feeling when I was at that point. xtn __________________ 2006 McLareghini Bugatterrari, Storm Titanium... <mods> installed: air horn, Scroth 4-point ASM harnesses, Sector111 halon extinguisher and mounting bracket, Von Hep exhaust and rear panel delete, Pagid brake pads, red Volks CE28n wheels, Toyo RA-1 tires, Nitron SA coilovers, Sector111 (WorksBell) quick-disconnect steering wheel kit. awaiting installation: Scroth "pull-up" lap belts, Sector111 RTD Brace, Tony's heater bypass mod, and dropped steering rack mounting plates. </mods>

09-15-2008, 06:52 AM	#58 (permalink)
Conan with future lotus driver Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 2,074 Images: 24	Title of video is "Exige vs 911 GT3". So I'm guessing it's a 911 GT3. As far as the behavior and whether it's racing, DE, or whatever: It's all going to depend on whoever is running it. I seriously doubt it was a sanctioned race of any kind since (as has already been pointed out) the driver wasn't wearing any kind of safety gear other than a helment and the car looked totally stock. In any case, the moron doesn't know how to drive, IMO. Sure, he showed some control skills, but he clearly doesn't understand how to hold a line and maximize his exit speed. Conversely, I thought the Exige driver looked very smooth. __________________ Yes, it IS my real name. No, I don't look like him. I'm Polish. Polish barbarians are skinny nerds. 2006 BRG Lotus Elise (broken), 2009 Honda Fit (gas miser), 2007 Honda Odyssey (the wife's)

09-15-2008, 08:31 AM	#60 (permalink)
Greenstreak Lotus Wannabe Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Doylestown, Pa Posts: 331	Even if I knew the guy behaving like that he would still make me very very nervous on track. Enough so that I would back way off and let him play. __________________ 2000 MR2 Spyder(s)

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