BMW Power announced for new Esprit. - LotusTalk

P90Puma · 02-18-2008, 09:12 AM

Per Pistonheads:

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/defa...?storyId=17619

Hopefully a stout transmission will come with it this time.

babak · 02-18-2008, 09:29 AM

I think it's a brilliant move. I for one would not have bough the Elise had it not come with a fullproof powerplant. Applying that to the Esprit is a very good marketing move as well, it will reduce customer dissatisfaction from engine/electrical issues.

fitfan · 02-18-2008, 09:46 AM

...i am such a fan of the new BMW "M" engines - so thats a bit of bitter sweet news. i suppose if your going to go F/I then thats as good of a V8 as any, but that M V8 (V10) is such a N/A piece or amazing harware! - kinda wish they were going with the more sophisticated (imo) solution - but i am sure it will be spectacular non the less!

jhnmdahl · 02-18-2008, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by fitfan

...i am such a fan of the new BMW "M" engines - so thats a bit of bitter sweet news. i suppose if your going to go F/I then thats as good of a V8 as any, but that M V8 (V10) is such a N/A piece or amazing harware! - kinda wish they were going with the more sophisticated (imo) solution - but i am sure it will be spectacular non the less!

They aren't using BMW's old 4.4L V8, but a new one that's not yet in any production vehicle...

akandok · 02-18-2008, 09:52 AM

This is very interesting.. These cars will last forever with the engines they are using.

alexandertg4 · 02-18-2008, 09:56 AM

Hopefully they put in the X6 V8 that would be bliss.

Bane · 02-18-2008, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by alexandertg4

Hopefully they put in the X6 V8 that would be bliss.

"The new BMW X6 will see this engine first where it will push out 420bhp however, Lotus don't think that's enough and they suggest that their version will deliver over 500bhp"

Rugbyduck · 02-18-2008, 10:31 AM

I will believe it when I see it.

won't hold my breath when it comes to anything Lotus.

Flash G · 02-18-2008, 11:30 AM

500hp?!

I want one!!!!

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Clint@TRP · 02-18-2008, 02:55 PM

any word on the gear box and drivetrain options?

Bavarian Motorist · 02-18-2008, 07:06 PM

I thought 420hp would be enough, but they want to go 500+? I expect the Esprit to be quite the pig by Lotus standards

codymac · 02-18-2008, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Clint@TRP

any word on the gear box and drivetrain options?

My money is on Cima.

They've already produced a syncro H 6-speed that will bolt up to the back of a BMW V8.

Flash G · 02-18-2008, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bavarian Motorist

I thought 420hp would be enough, but they want to go 500+? I expect the Esprit to be quite the pig by Lotus standards

If they can make it 500lbs lighter than the closest competitor, I'll take that.

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lotusforsale · 02-18-2008, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bavarian Motorist

I thought 420hp would be enough, but they want to go 500+? I expect the Esprit to be quite the pig by Lotus standards

Haven't been following Lotus for long? For 25 years the only Lotus available in the US were the Esprit, and for one year the M100 Elan, both of which were 'pigs' by Elise/Exige standards.

charliex · 02-18-2008, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by lotusforsale

Haven't been following Lotus for long? For 25 years the only Lotus available in the US were the Esprit, and for one year the M100 Elan, both of which were 'pigs' by Elise/Exige standards.

feel free to bring your elise out against my pig M100 one day

jlj3394 · 02-18-2008, 08:31 PM

I was hoping they would use BMW power. Kind of gives both companies a nice PR boost.

I'm not sure how 500 HP will make the Esprit a pig - I doubt Lotus goes with a heavy chassis.

In fact, I would imagine that the same techniques used to make the Elise so light will be incorporated on the Esprit - I think ~2600 lbs s probably what we'll see.

Does anyone know if the 4.4l uses an aluminum block?

lotusforsale · 02-18-2008, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by charliex

feel free to bring your elise out against my pig M100 one day

Charlie...you take me wrong...I'm pointing out that for a lot of folks here, the only thing they really know of Lotus is the Elise/Exige. The Esprit and to a lesser extent the M100 carried the total mantle for Lotus in the USA for nearly half the time Lotus has been in existence. The Elige was not a continuance of the performance through lightness philosophy of Lotus, it was a return to it after two and a half decades in this market, anyway.

Lots of folks don't consider the M100 a 'true' sports car (whatever that is) because it is FWD. I do not consider myself among that group, having been a rider in a well driven M100, and having seen them at speed on tracks against RWD, more powerful cars.

I've no doubt your M100 Elan could spank quite a few folks on here, myself included, in their Eliges.

charliex · 02-18-2008, 08:39 PM

don't worry i'm just kdding around, it won't spank anything til i fix that intercooler.

The M100 was originally the 'elise' project, of course since i'm a brit and have an m100, i don't see the same gaps.

As for the FWD argument, each to their own, i have both , like em both.

climb4fun · 02-18-2008, 10:45 PM

I'm hoping to see the new Esprit at 2700 lbs and around 450 hp, if not better. And that's more than enough.

After all, Lotus is great and maybe the best in handling, driving sensation and style.

Power to Weight ratio shouldn't be Lotus top priority.

Bavarian Motorist · 02-18-2008, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by lotusforsale

Haven't been following Lotus for long? For 25 years the only Lotus available in the US were the Esprit, and for one year the M100 Elan, both of which were 'pigs' by Elise/Exige standards.

Thanks. I didn't know that.

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babak Moderator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Topeka, KS Posts: 8,269 Images: 23	I think it's a brilliant move. I for one would not have bough the Elise had it not come with a fullproof powerplant. Applying that to the Esprit is a very good marketing move as well, it will reduce customer dissatisfaction from engine/electrical issues. __________________ Babak Club111 Central Plains Coordinator '05 Elise - Touring, HT, StarShield '99 Ducati 996 Bip '05 Freelander SE

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fitfan Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Diego! Posts: 3,127	...i am such a fan of the new BMW "M" engines - so thats a bit of bitter sweet news. i suppose if your going to go F/I then thats as good of a V8 as any, but that M V8 (V10) is such a N/A piece or amazing harware! - kinda wish they were going with the more sophisticated (imo) solution - but i am sure it will be spectacular non the less! __________________ Driving it around!

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akandok 2006 Lotus Elise Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 1,560	This is very interesting.. These cars will last forever with the engines they are using. __________________ “The biggest cause of trouble in the world today is that the stupid people are so sure about things and the intelligent folks are so full of doubts.” Bertrand Russell John 3:16

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Bavarian Motorist Live to Drive Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Rye, NY Posts: 8,346	I thought 420hp would be enough, but they want to go 500+? I expect the Esprit to be quite the pig by Lotus standards __________________ Driving a Lotus Exige with sticky... performance tires on icy roads or in standing water is about as much fun as walking a high wire treated with WD-40 - Car & Driver BWR supercharged... I suppose I "got the power" now??

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jlj3394 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 736	I was hoping they would use BMW power. Kind of gives both companies a nice PR boost. I'm not sure how 500 HP will make the Esprit a pig - I doubt Lotus goes with a heavy chassis. In fact, I would imagine that the same techniques used to make the Elise so light will be incorporated on the Esprit - I think ~2600 lbs s probably what we'll see. Does anyone know if the 4.4l uses an aluminum block? __________________ 05 GG Elise: Exige clam, LSS, Stage 2, ACT HD, DBA5000, CF scoops/splitter/mirrors/panels Others: Lexus ES300 Coach, Volvo V70R 300hp/250k Missed: 01 Wrangler Sport, 04 Wrangler Sport, 71 CJ5 (225V6) Need a personal injury attorney in Kansas City? http://www.kcatty.com Need a Johnson County DUI lawyer? http://www.JohnsonCountyDUI.com Need a Johnson County speeding/traffic ticket attorney? http://www.JoCoTraffic.com

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charliex disproving HD MTBF daily Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Las Vegas , NV Posts: 8,267	don't worry i'm just kdding around, it won't spank anything til i fix that intercooler. The M100 was originally the 'elise' project, of course since i'm a brit and have an m100, i don't see the same gaps. As for the FWD argument, each to their own, i have both , like em both. __________________ Black Exige S - http://goth.am 265 Mule / Elan M100 ECU Tuning, http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39660 Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling with a pig in mud. After a while, you realise the pig is enjoying it.

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climb4fun WTF Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: N.VA Posts: 666	I'm hoping to see the new Esprit at 2700 lbs and around 450 hp, if not better. And that's more than enough. After all, Lotus is great and maybe the best in handling, driving sensation and style. Power to Weight ratio shouldn't be Lotus top priority.

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