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JeffYoung · 06-17-2007, 10:58 PM

Whoa.....you're losing it man.

lotuson74 · 06-17-2007, 11:07 PM

Mikelr - what you callin a "pig"? you gonna be sorry...
PS. - is your motor the same V.H.P.D. that is in my Sport 190?
I will need a couple sessions to get famillar with the track but then... Keep your eye out for that blue flag

lotuson74 · 06-17-2007, 11:10 PM

Stallion, the Esprit has learned that is has good fuel & gained some significant power. Take Tuesday off & come on up - I am very confident

mikelr · 06-17-2007, 11:13 PM

Hey now, everythings a pig compared to a light wieght S1.

and yes it is the same VHPD that you have in your 190, don't be giving me the point by then gunning it on the straights when I'm on your tail Tuesday

lotuson74 · 06-17-2007, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikelr

Hey now, everythings a pig compared to a light wieght S1.

and yes it is the same VHPD that you have in your 190, don't be giving me the point by then gunning it on the straights when I'm on your tail Tuesday

I expect you to be RIGHT THERE (in back of me)

maz · 06-18-2007, 08:25 AM

gong to be a blow up so big you could see it on norad... ...look, i know these cars very well, and you are begging for a new type 918.

lotuson74 · 06-18-2007, 08:28 AM

Um... not the frist time on the track ye-all

fishguy · 06-18-2007, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maz

gong to be a blow up so big you could see it on norad... ...look, i know these cars very well, and you are begging for a new type 918.

I am laughing at all the jabs you guys are giving him as it is very entertaining. One guy even made him loose his cool.
Looking at the size of his car stable, it would seem to me that money is no object for the guy. Blowing up an engine is no big deal, its just another part of modding an engine, or car racing.
Funny comments though LOL
"Enjoy your cars", Kirk

(I couldnt help it, sorry)

JeffYoung · 06-18-2007, 04:38 PM

Fish! Get it right! It's "Have fun with your cars!" LOL.....

Fish, the point is this: MOST people can't be affordin' no regular 918 rebuilds. This dude is advocating this stuff (26 psi, etc.) boost as safe for the Esprit. That's the problem, other folks might think this safe for an Esprit. It's not.

If he wants to blow up and then rebuild 918s regularly, and can afford to do so, well that's all cool, "Have fun with your cars!" ya know?

StallionX · 06-18-2007, 05:06 PM

while I don't know anything about 26psi.. remember Jeff you are also the guy who claims the Johan chip alone is going to "kill" the engine.. I think there is a biased here..

JeffYoung · 06-19-2007, 12:08 PM

Wrong again Horse Boy!

What I said (as have Mark Feffer, Mark and Maz) is that running more than stock boost on a 918 is a recipe for disaster. Mark F. pointed out that the head gaskets can't take it. I know that with the car not being intercooled, it is not designed for that kind of boost. Several of us have also pointed out that "driving carefully" does not solve the issues the UN1 gearbox will have with the 918's torque, especially if modded.

What Kirk posted, which started a lot of this bickering, is that he runs at 26 psi, at least occasionally.

I'm not aware of any Esprit V8 owner who wouldn't cringe and the thought of what that could do to a motor.

Bias? Uh, no. Just the facts ma'am. By the way, AGAIN, did you read this month's Remarque article on the UN1? You should.

mikelr · 06-20-2007, 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lotuson74

I expect you to be RIGHT THERE (in back of me)

I was there yesterday but for some reason I didn't see any Esprits out on track.

Feffman · 06-20-2007, 04:51 PM

The wonderful Lotus "torque-to-yield" head bolts will stretch taking out the head gasket with that much boost (actually with a lot less then you claim) IF the cast pistons survive. Hey you don't have to believe us, call Harry Appleby at Viking Motorsports or Jeff Robinson at JAE in California. Ask them why they sell/install so many sets of ARP head studs for the Esprit V8.

Feff
www.MVPTrackTime.com

StallionX · 06-20-2007, 06:44 PM

What do you consider maximum safe boost?

lotuson74 · 06-20-2007, 07:57 PM

Harry out at Viking knows me & my cars very well so... Ask him what I do! I used to live there in So. Cal. and Harry did all the work on my cars. When mine does go... It will get ARP studs, forged pistons, ect. I am also going to put a water/Methonal system on it very soon.

Yes, NOT AT THE TRACK - Because I took a look at the schedule and it was a waste of time

I have NEVER gone to any track day that started at 1:00pm. and only gave 3 -twenty minuite sessions! Not to mention the price (I never paid more than $200 anywhare in Calif.)
Then comes the run group I was placed in - "Intermidiate 1" the slowest group with a 500hp. car on slicks & with all the other 04 improvements. Now, I don't want to sound arrogant here but I have alot of track experiance with this car and I have a sport Elise with slicks, Ohlins and alot more. I KNOW that my Elise cannot stop or turn as well as my Esprit, not to mention the power deficeit! Pretty much everyone in that group would have been going at a far slower pace (no fun for me or them!) This may have been ok if things started at say... 8:00am. or so. Then I would have had time to prove my competance on track and then been moved to advanced.
It simply was not worth loading the car, fuel and driving a 48 foot trailer 6-8 hours for one annoying hour on track.
Hopefully there is another "good" track day in the near future that actually gives reasonable track time!!! 2 1/2 - 3 hours. If anyone knows of any, let me know... the Esprit is ready!!!

mikelr · 06-20-2007, 08:12 PM

Actually Kirk,
They were 35 min sessions so a total of 1 hour 45 min which I know isn't exactly 2 1/2 - 3 hours of track time but it is still more that the average HPDE event which is four 25 min sessions (1 hour 40 min).
You won't find too many "open" track events around that aren't invitation only.
Check with PDA , I think they have an open track event at LRP at some point this summer that is like $250 bucks.
www.pdadrivingschool.com

Sorry you couldn't make it.

StallionX · 06-20-2007, 08:35 PM

Kirk,

you can come w/ us to poconnos next time we go.. we pay 240 and get the track for the ENTIRE day.. yep the poconoo racetrack as used in nascar is OURS all day.. It's a blast and I can assure you that you will get your fill there!!

lotuson74 · 06-20-2007, 08:36 PM

Thanks for the correction. I actually thought the sessions were 25 min. each. That would be ok to drive the Elise there but not a big trailer and everything. Really should be a two day event - I will check into what you sent me

lotuson74 · 06-20-2007, 08:38 PM

Cool Stallion. Is there any right turns?

Can't be the nascar track.

mikelr · 06-20-2007, 08:46 PM

Kirk,
Look into PDA event next month at Pocono, I think its the 20,21 and 22 and they call it the "Grans Slam" weekend. Pocono has three infield road courses and that weekend PDA rents the whole track and on the first day runs all three couses at the same time, I think the schedule gives you 8 sessions the first day mixed up between the three couses. The second and third day are where they combine two of the infield couses by way of the super speedway portion of the track to create a long course (double infield). It's a blast and almost too much track time. You will be sitting out a session of two to cool your jets.

06-17-2007, 11:07 PM	#22 (permalink)
lotuson74 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 567	Mikelr - what you callin a "pig"? you gonna be sorry... PS. - is your motor the same V.H.P.D. that is in my Sport 190? I will need a couple sessions to get famillar with the track but then... Keep your eye out for that blue flag __________________ Kirk Will this do??? Artic silver Elise, Ohlins, Monolites, Q.S. header Arqray Ti. & more 99 Sport 190 Elise 02 Mini Cooper S 03 Dinan BMW S-3 Supercharged X-5 4.6is 06 F-250 Diesel, 11 inch lift, 1000lb ft. hauler 04 Radical SR-4 Racecar 97 Lotus Esprit V-8 TT 04 Lotus Esprit V-8 TT 90 Nissan 300 zx TT showcar with 680 r.w.h.p.!! 02 BMW 330i (needed something practical!) 06 BMW M5 with Schnitzer & Dinan mods. (3) Racebikes built by Richard of Attack Racing

06-17-2007, 11:10 PM	#23 (permalink)
lotuson74 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 567	Stallion, the Esprit has learned that is has good fuel & gained some significant power. Take Tuesday off & come on up - I am very confident __________________ Kirk Will this do??? Artic silver Elise, Ohlins, Monolites, Q.S. header Arqray Ti. & more 99 Sport 190 Elise 02 Mini Cooper S 03 Dinan BMW S-3 Supercharged X-5 4.6is 06 F-250 Diesel, 11 inch lift, 1000lb ft. hauler 04 Radical SR-4 Racecar 97 Lotus Esprit V-8 TT 04 Lotus Esprit V-8 TT 90 Nissan 300 zx TT showcar with 680 r.w.h.p.!! 02 BMW 330i (needed something practical!) 06 BMW M5 with Schnitzer & Dinan mods. (3) Racebikes built by Richard of Attack Racing

06-17-2007, 11:13 PM	#24 (permalink)
mikelr <[^,^]> Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Newburgh, New York Posts: 650	Hey now, everythings a pig compared to a light wieght S1. and yes it is the same VHPD that you have in your 190, don't be giving me the point by then gunning it on the straights when I'm on your tail Tuesday __________________ 00' S1 Exige (7.14lbs/hp) 94' S4 Esprit 07' Ram Quad cab 3500 hauler

06-18-2007, 08:25 AM	#26 (permalink)
maz uniter not a divider Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: chicago Posts: 1,303	gong to be a blow up so big you could see it on norad... ...look, i know these cars very well, and you are begging for a new type 918. __________________ www.lotuscarclub.org "Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns - the ones we don't know we don't know." (rumsfeld)

06-18-2007, 08:28 AM	#27 (permalink)
lotuson74 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 567	Um... not the frist time on the track ye-all __________________ Kirk Will this do??? Artic silver Elise, Ohlins, Monolites, Q.S. header Arqray Ti. & more 99 Sport 190 Elise 02 Mini Cooper S 03 Dinan BMW S-3 Supercharged X-5 4.6is 06 F-250 Diesel, 11 inch lift, 1000lb ft. hauler 04 Radical SR-4 Racecar 97 Lotus Esprit V-8 TT 04 Lotus Esprit V-8 TT 90 Nissan 300 zx TT showcar with 680 r.w.h.p.!! 02 BMW 330i (needed something practical!) 06 BMW M5 with Schnitzer & Dinan mods. (3) Racebikes built by Richard of Attack Racing

06-17-2007, 10:58 PM	#21 (permalink)
JeffYoung Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 837	Whoa.....you're losing it man.

06-18-2007, 04:38 PM	#29 (permalink)
JeffYoung Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 837	Fish! Get it right! It's "Have fun with your cars!" LOL..... Fish, the point is this: MOST people can't be affordin' no regular 918 rebuilds. This dude is advocating this stuff (26 psi, etc.) boost as safe for the Esprit. That's the problem, other folks might think this safe for an Esprit. It's not. If he wants to blow up and then rebuild 918s regularly, and can afford to do so, well that's all cool, "Have fun with your cars!" ya know?

06-18-2007, 05:06 PM	#30 (permalink)
StallionX BANNED Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 841	while I don't know anything about 26psi.. remember Jeff you are also the guy who claims the Johan chip alone is going to "kill" the engine.. I think there is a biased here..

06-19-2007, 12:08 PM	#31 (permalink)
JeffYoung Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 837	Wrong again Horse Boy! What I said (as have Mark Feffer, Mark and Maz) is that running more than stock boost on a 918 is a recipe for disaster. Mark F. pointed out that the head gaskets can't take it. I know that with the car not being intercooled, it is not designed for that kind of boost. Several of us have also pointed out that "driving carefully" does not solve the issues the UN1 gearbox will have with the 918's torque, especially if modded. What Kirk posted, which started a lot of this bickering, is that he runs at 26 psi, at least occasionally. I'm not aware of any Esprit V8 owner who wouldn't cringe and the thought of what that could do to a motor. Bias? Uh, no. Just the facts ma'am. By the way, AGAIN, did you read this month's Remarque article on the UN1? You should.

06-20-2007, 04:51 PM	#33 (permalink)
Feffman Grand Poobah Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: St. Louis, Mo. Posts: 865	The wonderful Lotus "torque-to-yield" head bolts will stretch taking out the head gasket with that much boost (actually with a lot less then you claim) IF the cast pistons survive. Hey you don't have to believe us, call Harry Appleby at Viking Motorsports or Jeff Robinson at JAE in California. Ask them why they sell/install so many sets of ARP head studs for the Esprit V8. Feff www.MVPTrackTime.com __________________ MVP Track Time

06-20-2007, 06:44 PM	#34 (permalink)
StallionX BANNED Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 841	What do you consider maximum safe boost?

06-20-2007, 07:57 PM	#35 (permalink)
lotuson74 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 567	Harry out at Viking knows me & my cars very well so... Ask him what I do! I used to live there in So. Cal. and Harry did all the work on my cars. When mine does go... It will get ARP studs, forged pistons, ect. I am also going to put a water/Methonal system on it very soon. Yes, NOT AT THE TRACK - Because I took a look at the schedule and it was a waste of time I have NEVER gone to any track day that started at 1:00pm. and only gave 3 -twenty minuite sessions! Not to mention the price (I never paid more than $200 anywhare in Calif.) Then comes the run group I was placed in - "Intermidiate 1" the slowest group with a 500hp. car on slicks & with all the other 04 improvements. Now, I don't want to sound arrogant here but I have alot of track experiance with this car and I have a sport Elise with slicks, Ohlins and alot more. I KNOW that my Elise cannot stop or turn as well as my Esprit, not to mention the power deficeit! Pretty much everyone in that group would have been going at a far slower pace (no fun for me or them!) This may have been ok if things started at say... 8:00am. or so. Then I would have had time to prove my competance on track and then been moved to advanced. It simply was not worth loading the car, fuel and driving a 48 foot trailer 6-8 hours for one annoying hour on track. Hopefully there is another "good" track day in the near future that actually gives reasonable track time!!! 2 1/2 - 3 hours. If anyone knows of any, let me know... the Esprit is ready!!! __________________ Kirk Will this do??? Artic silver Elise, Ohlins, Monolites, Q.S. header Arqray Ti. & more 99 Sport 190 Elise 02 Mini Cooper S 03 Dinan BMW S-3 Supercharged X-5 4.6is 06 F-250 Diesel, 11 inch lift, 1000lb ft. hauler 04 Radical SR-4 Racecar 97 Lotus Esprit V-8 TT 04 Lotus Esprit V-8 TT 90 Nissan 300 zx TT showcar with 680 r.w.h.p.!! 02 BMW 330i (needed something practical!) 06 BMW M5 with Schnitzer & Dinan mods. (3) Racebikes built by Richard of Attack Racing Last edited by lotuson74 : 06-20-2007 at 08:05 PM.

06-20-2007, 08:12 PM	#36 (permalink)
mikelr <[^,^]> Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Newburgh, New York Posts: 650	Actually Kirk, They were 35 min sessions so a total of 1 hour 45 min which I know isn't exactly 2 1/2 - 3 hours of track time but it is still more that the average HPDE event which is four 25 min sessions (1 hour 40 min). You won't find too many "open" track events around that aren't invitation only. Check with PDA , I think they have an open track event at LRP at some point this summer that is like $250 bucks. www.pdadrivingschool.com Sorry you couldn't make it. __________________ 00' S1 Exige (7.14lbs/hp) 94' S4 Esprit 07' Ram Quad cab 3500 hauler

06-20-2007, 08:35 PM	#37 (permalink)
StallionX BANNED Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 841	Kirk, you can come w/ us to poconnos next time we go.. we pay 240 and get the track for the ENTIRE day.. yep the poconoo racetrack as used in nascar is OURS all day.. It's a blast and I can assure you that you will get your fill there!!

06-20-2007, 08:36 PM	#38 (permalink)
lotuson74 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 567	Thanks for the correction. I actually thought the sessions were 25 min. each. That would be ok to drive the Elise there but not a big trailer and everything. Really should be a two day event - I will check into what you sent me __________________ Kirk Will this do??? Artic silver Elise, Ohlins, Monolites, Q.S. header Arqray Ti. & more 99 Sport 190 Elise 02 Mini Cooper S 03 Dinan BMW S-3 Supercharged X-5 4.6is 06 F-250 Diesel, 11 inch lift, 1000lb ft. hauler 04 Radical SR-4 Racecar 97 Lotus Esprit V-8 TT 04 Lotus Esprit V-8 TT 90 Nissan 300 zx TT showcar with 680 r.w.h.p.!! 02 BMW 330i (needed something practical!) 06 BMW M5 with Schnitzer & Dinan mods. (3) Racebikes built by Richard of Attack Racing

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06-20-2007, 08:38 PM	#39 (permalink)
lotuson74 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 567	Cool Stallion. Is there any right turns? Can't be the nascar track. __________________ Kirk Will this do??? Artic silver Elise, Ohlins, Monolites, Q.S. header Arqray Ti. & more 99 Sport 190 Elise 02 Mini Cooper S 03 Dinan BMW S-3 Supercharged X-5 4.6is 06 F-250 Diesel, 11 inch lift, 1000lb ft. hauler 04 Radical SR-4 Racecar 97 Lotus Esprit V-8 TT 04 Lotus Esprit V-8 TT 90 Nissan 300 zx TT showcar with 680 r.w.h.p.!! 02 BMW 330i (needed something practical!) 06 BMW M5 with Schnitzer & Dinan mods. (3) Racebikes built by Richard of Attack Racing

06-20-2007, 08:46 PM	#40 (permalink)
mikelr <[^,^]> Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Newburgh, New York Posts: 650	Kirk, Look into PDA event next month at Pocono, I think its the 20,21 and 22 and they call it the "Grans Slam" weekend. Pocono has three infield road courses and that weekend PDA rents the whole track and on the first day runs all three couses at the same time, I think the schedule gives you 8 sessions the first day mixed up between the three couses. The second and third day are where they combine two of the infield couses by way of the super speedway portion of the track to create a long course (double infield). It's a blast and almost too much track time. You will be sitting out a session of two to cool your jets. __________________ 00' S1 Exige (7.14lbs/hp) 94' S4 Esprit 07' Ram Quad cab 3500 hauler