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Evora 400 vs Aston Vantage V8

Ok, the thread about the 4C sales compared to the Evora went down to the crap hole. So here is a new one.

Evora 400 vs Aston Martin Vantage V8.

I'm comparing this two cars because they are similar in price and segment, etc. Everybody knows about the Evora 400. On the other hand the Aston Martin Vantage V8 cost about 120k new but you can get a 2014 Vantage V8 manual for 80k with only 3k miles.

So what is your take on this two models? Please refrain from nit-picking.
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It's a Lotus forum - you're not going to find too many "unbiased" opinions here.

As for my "unbiased" opinion, the Lotus (even the Evora compared to the Elise) is a "Sports car"; the Vantage is a "Grand Tourer" (GT).

You're not going to get knife-edge handling and track-car agility in the Aston. You're going to get refined comfort, and excellent highway cruising. It's a powerful car, it's a REALLY nice car for sure.

Now, it's not a Caddy but, it's also not a Lotus.

Nothing wrong with either but, it depends on what you're looking for in a car.

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I test drove a Vantage V8 on a Friday and then tested a S on Saturday. Bought the S. I guess it depends on what your looking for. The Vantage felt heavy and unresponsive.
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A Vantage is more comparable to a Jag than a Lotus. This is apple and oranges. Definitely not like asking would you like a 4C or an Elise?
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YMMV,

The Evora is a Sports Car, no its a GT, no its a Sports Car. Ok, its a pleasant car you can drive coast to coast while really enjoying the twisty bits.

The Aston Vantage is a GT, no... hmm, ok its a really really good GT car. It is entertaining to drive in the twisty, but its a great car to drive coast to coast. I think of the Aston Vantage V8 as a very expensive C6 Corvette. As per the Top Gear test results the Aston is faster than a base C6 Corvette, slower than a Z06, so performance wise its an expensive Corvette. More exclusive than a Corvette but, an English Corvette. The depreciation, however, is painful, as you pointed out.

Not saying a new Lotus is a good investment either.

So.. If depreciation is not an issue for you, the correct choice depends on what you are going to do with the car.

If the drive is a priority over the destination, LOTUS.
If the destination is a priority over the drive, ASTON.
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I own an 4.3 V8 Vantage. It's much more of a serious sports car than @Habious seems to think, with a stiff suspension, great steering response (and feel!) and extremely good balance. It can be hustled along a twisty road with great satisfaction. I can't compare it to an Evora, as I've never driven one, but I can draw some comparisons to my Elise and through it the Evora.

-Only someone who has driven a Vantage would realize how much heft there is to all the controls. It is a very "manly" experience to drive one of these cars. The steering, clutch, shifter, throttle, brakes all take a relatively high effort to operate. Way more force is needed than the Elise, even the steering. I love that about the car, it's elegant and beautiful, which makes you think it would be overly refined or disconnected, but it's absolutely not. I find it more engaging to operate than my last Porsche.
-The sound of the V8 is epic. While I like the throaty sound of a V6, it's just no comparison.
-The Vantage has terrible sight lines. It has a very high cowl and you can't see any of the outside of the car. Lotus did such an incredible job with visibility. You can see the corners of the Lotus, with the nice low, curved windshield, it's so easy to place in a corner. The Vantage is more of an estimate.
-Adding to the difficulties in placement is the fact that the Vantage is really wide, unnecessarily so, IMO.
-The Lotus is going to be much more light on it's feet, the Vantage has 49% of it's weight over the front axle (it's mid-front engined with the entire engine behind the front wheels) and it's significantly heavier, so while steering response is very good, the Lotus will be more willing to change direction.
-The Evora 400 is a bit faster in acceleration than my Vantage, but on the road, it's probably pretty close. The torque from the V8, even in 6th gear, is pretty fun. I'm not sure what the powerband of the 400 feels like, but Elises are much more peaky than the V8 (of course).
-Surprisingly the V8 engine loves to rev. It's great to have a big engine that rushes to redline. The 4.7 has lost some of that, from what I understand.
-Not that you should care, but I get about 11 mpg out of the Vantage, it's not going to win over any Prius owners (yay). I suspect the supercharged V6 in a car that's 500 pounds lighter is probably better.
-Looks are subjective, of course, but IMO, there isn't a better looking car on the road than the Vantage. Everything is so cohesive, elegant and well proportioned. I just love looking at the thing. Another thing about the styling, for as beautiful as it is, people don't come over and gawk at it. I get alot more thumbs up and kids taking pictures of my Elise than I do in the Vantage. I actually like that it doesn't raise attention. I can just go on my (fast) way without being pestered.
-The quality of materials and workmanship in the Vantage are way more upscale than the Lotus. Everything down to how beautiful the paint finish is are items that Lotus just doesn't do.
-I wouldn't argue that it isn't a GT, but I WOULD argue that most "sports cars" today are really GTs.

If I didn't have an Elise (which will need to be pulled from my cold dead hands), and I was looking at the two cars, I'd go for the Evora as I'm sure it's more driving experience focused. For me, I wanted something that would provide a different experience than the Elise.

There's a review that Jason Commisa did on the V12 vantage that really sums up the car nicely (albeit with much more power than mine):


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The Vantage is much nicer on the inside and more classically pretty but its driving dynamics remind me very much of an M3. It is an excellent car but, on the dynamics front, not in the same league as an Evora IMO.

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I couldn't in good conscience drop $120k on the V8 when the V12 can be had for another $60k, but then I wouldn't want an Aston at all for almost $200k, so I vote 2015 Hurican HAHA
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The Evora is a GT AND a sports car. Sat in mine for a 5 hour stint on a recent drive the the Nurburgring with no issues what so ever. The suspension is a thing of pure genius. It soaks up bumps on drives and is stiff enough to keep the car very planted when pressing on.

The v8v is dated inside imo and performance wise is similar to a Evora s. A few U.K. Owners have moved from v8 to Evora and haven stayed the suspension in the v8 stiffer and less compliment than the evora. It is a beautiful can and feels more premium. While the v8 can do sports cat duty it is more of a GT with the Evora being the other way around. Also, you can tune the s to 460hp so if speed is your thing then the Evora trumps the v8.

As a package I truly don't believe here is a better car than the Evora for:
- price
- practicality (kids in the back or storage and a boot big enough for a set of golf clubs)
- handling and steering feel for gt and track duty
- maintenance costs
- tunability
- rarity and exotic feel
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There is a similar thread started about a year ago with plenty of good info on this topic:
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When I grow up, I plan on getting an AMV - haven't decided on V8 or V12.

I really like the fact that they use a construction on the chassis, similar to Lotus, i.e. bonded aluminum.


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When I grow up, I plan on getting an AMV - haven't decided on V8 or V12.

I really like the fact that they use a construction on the chassis, similar to Lotus, i.e. bonded aluminum.

It's no coincidence since Lotus was commissioned to help develop Aston's VH platform

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I test drove a Vantage V8 on a Friday and then tested a S on Saturday. Bought the S. I guess it depends on what your looking for. The Vantage felt heavy and unresponsive.
This is decidedly how I felt about the Vantage V8 as well when I test drove it while cross-shopping for my car... sounded nice and beautiful and sexy. But when it came down to actual driving, it felt heavy and unresponsive. The closest thing to the Evora for me was the Jag F-Type, and in fact I was days from finalizing on the F-Type when I decided for second test drive of the Evora, and ended up with the Evora the same afternoon as that second test drive. Next level up from the Evora for me would be the McLaren570s. This will be my next goal in a couple of years from now.

I was also planning on cross-shopping a Maser Gran Turismo against that V8 Vantage, but never got the chance since I was dead set on the Evora.

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I own an Elise. I've rented a Vantage and recently a friend let me drive his Vantage briefly.

The interior quality of the Vantage is way better than the Elise. The Vantage feels very heavy and solid. It seemed quite fast too.

I prefer my Elise though because of the "looks" it gets and the "raw" driving dynamics. Another thought is that if you peel away the notoriety of the Bond films, the Vantage really becomes just another nice premium sedan.
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It's an ok car but you absolutely must get a manual as the auto is horrible. I rate it above the F-Type S but below my old Evora S, see link in my sig for full thoughts and what else I test drove before buying the 400.

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When I grow up, I plan on getting an AMV - haven't decided on V8 or V12.

I really like the fact that they use a construction on the chassis, similar to Lotus, i.e. bonded aluminum.

I do feel a little kinship when I see the orange glue in the engine bay. People are impressed when I point out that it's the same process that Lotus uses on their chassis.

The chassis of the Aston is very, very stiff, even the convertibles are noted for rigidity. Unfortunately, all the poshness and stiffness comes at the cost of a 3600 pound curb weight.

When you poke around the car and see things like everything being held together with big steel torx screws, the machined dry sump cap and dip stick and they have these awesome, but heavy machined caps on all the taillight hardware, the mass of the car is understandable. Even the wheel wells are lined with sound deadening.
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I do feel a little kinship when I see the orange glue in the engine bay. People are impressed when I point out that it's the same process that Lotus uses on their chassis.

The chassis of the Aston is very, very stiff, even the convertibles are noted for rigidity. Unfortunately, all the poshness and stiffness comes at the cost of a 3600 pound curb weight.

When you poke around the car and see things like everything being held together with big steel torx screws, the machined dry sump cap and dip stick and they have these awesome, but heavy machined caps on all the taillight hardware, the mass of the car is understandable. Even the wheel wells are lined with sound deadening.

That's because Aston liked the Bonded frame so much they asked Lotus to help them design it. Jag did the same thing.
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I owned a vantage S roadster and an Evora S. Liked them both. I would agree with the majority of prior comments.

Aston is a sports car. I expected more of a GT, but was pleasantly surprised with the chassis and overall feel of the car. Design and quality of the Aston is considerably superior in my view. I love Lotus cars, have owned 4 of them, but I love them for what they are: unique, handling, steering, but they always do feel a bit "tacked" together. The Aston didn't feel particularly fast and the weight is evident, but oh my the sound!!
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I'm lucky enough to own both a 11na evora and a 12 AM vantage. I drive and have tracked both regularly. They are both great cars but if I had to pick one (though similar to having to pick a favorite child) I would go with the Evora. Though the vantage is stunningly beautiful Rock solid, handles amazingly and sounds incredible, the evora does just about everything better(except for the sound). At the track the Aston is a blast but still even in a HP favorable course the Evora averages 5-10 seconds faster. The suspension gods from Hethel really have designed a masterpiece. Over the 4 years that I daily drove my evora I took for granted how truly phenomenal the suspension was and how it remained settled in every situation.
The AM does do better in overall build quality and dependability though it only has 20k miles and my evora is now pushing 50K. The first 20 k miles of evora ownership were challenging but since then it has been pretty solid.
As I walk into my garage every day and try to decide which car to take its like trying to decide which supermodel to sleep with, I cant believe how lucky I am.
I haven't driven a Evora 400 yet but if it handles like its predecessor and with an extra 115 hp I would hands down take it over a vantage.

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I'm lucky enough to own both a 11na Evora and a 12 AM vantage. I drive and have tracked both regularly. They are both great cars but if I had to pick one (though similar to having to pick a favorite child) I would go with the Evora.
I can't imagine getting a much more definitive answer than this one!

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