Evora group test in Car

[cornbeef]

the july issue of car has their first proper review of the evora (very positive) and the first group test i've seen; with an m3 and an 911 (finally someone is comparing it to the correct porsche). considering how much car rates the german cars it makes the result even better (ok spoiler) the evora wins as the best drivers car

[Bavarian Motorist]

Sweet Did they get any hard data?

[shay2nak]

the cover had a picture of the Cayman S, IIRC. But good if it was compared to 911 which is better to do.

[dickedup]

Originally Posted by cornbeef

the july issue of car has their first proper review of the evora (very positive) and the first group test i've seen; with an m3 and an 911 (finally someone is comparing it to the correct porsche). considering how much car rates the german cars it makes the result even better (ok spoiler) the evora wins as the best drivers car

Pretty sure that the Cayman is a proper Porsche.

Like what I'm seeing so far with this latest Lotus. This is a much more exciting vehicle in my opinion than Ol' Buzzy ever was... but that's just me.

[shay2nak]

i guess price wise the cayman is closest to evora. 911 base price is around 90k now, yeah?

[wallabyguy]

Can't wait to see this article

[catapult]

The latest issue of Top Gear magazine has a pretty bad review of the Evora.

[Allan Gibbs]

Originally Posted by dickedup

Pretty sure that the Cayman is a proper Porsche.

Like what I'm seeing so far with this latest Lotus. This is a much more exciting vehicle in my opinion than Ol' Buzzy ever was... but that's just me.

Incidentally, the 2009 Boxster S with the PDK hit 0 to 60 in 4.3 seconds. Not that anyone here cares about straight line acceleration.

[BUELL XB12R]

Originally Posted by dickedup

Pretty sure that the Cayman is a proper Porsche.

Like what I'm seeing so far with this latest Lotus. This is a much more exciting vehicle in my opinion than Ol' Buzzy ever was... but that's just me.

I think he is just saying that the 911 is the car Lotus was targeting, not that the Cayman isn't a proper Porsche.

[6_speed]

Originally Posted by shay2nak

i guess price wise the cayman is closest to evora. 911 base price is around 90k now, yeah?

From Porsche's website (base 911):
MSRP $ 76,300.00 345 hp @ 6,500 rpm 0-60 mph: 4.7 s Top Track Speed: 180 mph Fuel Consumption (Highway) 26 mpg (Manual)

[Allan Gibbs]

About a year ago, I heard the Evora was suppose to be targeted toward the Cayman S and the base 911. That was before Lotus announced the Evora would have 276hp and come in a bit under 3,000 pounds. Speculation at the time was 300hp or 2,700 to 2,800 pounds would which be comparable to the 911.

[Darth G-F]

Evora concept is nice.

But it is heavy (for a Lotus) and underpowered (just like all Lotus).

IMHO, Lotus should have never launched the anemic version first. They should have built the SC car first and then offer a lower cost n/a (anemic) option.

By the time the car gets the proper power for its weight, no magazine will care and the good version will have very limited coverage. For a company with limited marketing funds, building the car right the first time around is the only way to properly market their car.

I know I'll wait for the man version of this car.

[dickedup]

Originally Posted by shay2nak

i guess price wise the cayman is closest to evora. 911 base price is around 90k now, yeah?

The Evora is aimed right at that Snapper crowd. You DO realize that when out-fitted with exactly the same engines... the Cayman always beats the 911
around that Nürburgring?

[dickedup]

Originally Posted by BUELL XB12R

I think he is just saying that the 911 is the car Lotus was targeting, not that the Cayman isn't a proper Porsche.

The Cayman S is one Hell of a vehicle to aspire to. My second one arrives iin ubder 4 weeks.

[cornbeef]

Originally Posted by BUELL XB12R

I think he is just saying that the 911 is the car Lotus was targeting, not that the Cayman isn't a proper Porsche.

thats what i meant since the evoras a 2+2

[cornbeef]

Originally Posted by Bavarian Motorist

Sweet Did they get any hard data?

mike just for you

1382kg
0-62:5.1
top 162mph
33mpg


Crib notes:
It took 400 meters for the writer to love it.... as with the other reviews, just a few minor irritations; mainly the nav system, poor rear view and windshield reflections and a few squeeks and rattles that Lotus already knows about for the production cars. Basically its as "involving as an Elise with the refinement of a Porsche" In their view the car sets the benchmark for power assisting steering feel and handling.

As for the group test it has a better ride, steering and handling than the m3 or 911 whereas the germans interiors are more "polished" than the brit.

[Allan Gibbs]

I agree totally but I think the problem is that there are some European emission standards that look at total volume per car company. Sorry, I don't remember the reason exactly. Perhaps, someone else can elaborate?

Originally Posted by Darth G-F

Evora concept is nice.

But it is heavy (for a Lotus) and underpowered (just like all Lotus).

IMHO, Lotus should have never launched the anemic version first. They should have built the SC car first and then offer a lower cost n/a (anemic) option.

By the time the car gets the proper power for its weight, no magazine will care and the good version will have very limited coverage. For a company with limited marketing funds, building the car right the first time around is the only way to properly market their car.

I know I'll wait for the man version of this car.

[bueno]

Originally Posted by Darth G-F

Evora concept is nice.

But it is heavy (for a Lotus) and underpowered (just like all Lotus).

IMHO, Lotus should have never launched the anemic version first. They should have built the SC car first and then offer a lower cost n/a (anemic) option.

By the time the car gets the proper power for its weight, no magazine will care and the good version will have very limited coverage. For a company with limited marketing funds, building the car right the first time around is the only way to properly market their car.

I know I'll wait for the man version of this car.

I disagree there. Lotus was wise along with EVERY other car manufacturer that introduces a new model to bring out the lesser hp version first. It's ALL marketing and somehow enthusiasts never seem to grasp this concept. The magazines already love the car because of its handling and precised steering and knowing that the vehicle will come out with a higher hp soon only has them chomping at the bit that much more.

[Darth G-F]

Originally Posted by bueno

I disagree there. Lotus was wise along with EVERY other car manufacturer that introduces a new model to bring out the lesser hp version first. It's ALL marketing and somehow enthusiasts never seem to grasp this concept. The magazines already love the car because of its handling and precised steering and knowing that the vehicle will come out with a higher hp soon only has them chomping at the bit that much more.

Maybe you're right. But I remember reading lots of comparo and reviews when the Elise first got out, now we hardly had a half pager on the 240S and 260S. The more powerful and interesting models.

I know Mazda use their Mazdaspeed version to help sell their last car when their time is up. Mazdaspeed Miata and 6 arrived at the end of their generation to generate some press when the models have nothing new to offer. Not so stupid I agree. But for a sports car, IF the Evora is tagged as underperforming, it's gonna take forever to change that mentality.

Mazdas are far from being performance cars in the mind of the public, maybe that's why they do that. Porsche did introduce the CaymanS before the regular Cayman.

Maybe Lotus should have introduce the SC, then the NAmic, then a cup version...

[Murix]

I figure with the sales figures expected (2000 worldwide, 800 USA), all the above is a non issue.

They will easy meet those expectations. That is what is all about. Expectations.