Evora S announced! 400hp - Page 2 - LotusTalk

wallabyguy · 08-06-2008, 08:00 AM

As I said before, Lotus offers a "S" version of the Elise in Europe which we don't get here in addition to the "R" which is our base car. Why everyone started jumping off bridges when they announced the car with a 280HP version of the 3.5 is beyond me. This will be the entry level engine and a 300HP version will be out around the same time the car reaches the US.

jhnmdahl · 08-06-2008, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by pooky5333

The turbo is not even the best 911 the gt3 is.

Using what criteria? The GT2 is quite a bit faster...

jlj3394 · 08-06-2008, 08:51 AM

What (besides weight) would be the disadvantage to an AWD Esprit?

pooky5333 · 08-06-2008, 08:52 AM

It would not be a proper sports car

pooky5333 · 08-06-2008, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jhnmdahl

Using what criteria? The GT2 is quite a bit faster...

But it is much harder to drive and not as fun. I say it will compete with the gt3

Cegan09 · 08-06-2008, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by pooky5333

It would not be a proper sports car

so even if the AWD made the car handle and drive better you wouldn't like it because it isn't a 'proper' sports car?

pooky5333 · 08-06-2008, 01:02 PM

It would not handle better it would just be easier to handle. It would also slow down the acceleration.

wallabyguy · 08-06-2008, 01:03 PM

The Esprit isn't a sports car. It's a Supercar/ GT.

awaiting the flaming..................

Bavarian Motorist · 08-06-2008, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jlj3394

What (besides weight) would be the disadvantage to an AWD Esprit?

Less road feel. Less power. Less fun perhaps (subjective)

And developing a transmission would probably be a pain since there are very few AWD cars that would be suitable donors for that..

CK_lotus · 08-06-2008, 01:59 PM

Seriously, what they really ought to do is to sell the Lotus GT3!!

Tracktimeplz · 08-06-2008, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by pooky5333

It would not handle better it would just be easier to handle. It would also slow down the acceleration.

Exactly, Lotus is about a pure driving experience. When you start adding fancy control systems to drive for you, it loses some of the purity that makes it so much fun.

If you want an AWD car buy a Porsche or Nissan GT-R

Oh, and I hope if lotus decides to go with a v10 or v12 they go with a low displacement flat plane. A super car should have a distinct sound

wallabyguy · 08-06-2008, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CK_lotus

Seriously, what they really ought to do is to sell the Lotus GT3!!

I agree BUT they would only sell maybe 1-2 dozen a year worldwide at best if it was $100k plus. It's a seperate thing altogether from the Esprit. The Esprit is a Supercar/ GT and would not appeal to the same buyers. Lotus can sell 300-500 Esprits a year at $130k. And yes, I think numbers should be limted to keep interest and desirability high.

jhnmdahl · 08-06-2008, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by pooky5333

But it is much harder to drive and not as fun. I say it will compete with the gt3

Quote:

Originally Posted by pooky5333

It would not handle better it would just be easier to handle. It would also slow down the acceleration.

So the GT2 isn't as good because it's harder to drive even though it's faster, but AWD is evil because with it a car is easier to handle and not as fast?

I'll take the opposite position on both points - give me AWD and more HP...

John

def · 08-06-2008, 02:53 PM

400HP seems good, higher than I was expecting. Hopefully this isn't a number they just made up.

A lot of people who didn't like 2800lbs/285hp, should like 2800lbs/400hp.

Of course we all wish that it was the same power to weight ratio as 2800/400, but more like 2400/350

jhnmdahl · 08-06-2008, 02:55 PM

Plus, they have to leave room for a couple variations of a supercar that outperforms the Evora in a few years. It seems to fill the gap between an Elise and Esprit nicely.

pooky5333 · 08-06-2008, 03:13 PM

Why is the gallardo superleggera rwd? It is light, faster and handles better...

jhnmdahl · 08-06-2008, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by pooky5333

Why is the gallardo superleggera rwd? It is light, faster and handles better...

Actually, it uses an all-wheel drive system engineered by Audi, with a 30% front, 70% rear torque split. Check out First Drive: 2007 Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera or other references...

Cegan09 · 08-06-2008, 04:23 PM

correct, the gallardo superleggera still has AWD.

Derek · 08-06-2008, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by def

400HP seems good, higher than I was expecting. Hopefully this isn't a number they just made up.

A lot of people who didn't like 2800lbs/285hp, should like 2800lbs/400hp.

Of course we all wish that it was the same power to weight ratio as 2800/400, but more like 2400/350

Well I'm still not sold on the looks, but 2800lbs/400hp sounds a lot better to me. The 3 year delay sounds weak... IMHO I think they should launch with the 320 HP & 400 HP cars.

Bavarian Motorist · 08-06-2008, 08:10 PM

Where did you guys get 2800 lbs from? This little piggy will weigh around 3000. Even if they release a high performance light-weight version, it probably won't lose 200 lbs.

08-06-2008, 08:00 AM	#21 (permalink)
wallabyguy Club111. Got the groove? Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 5,333	As I said before, Lotus offers a "S" version of the Elise in Europe which we don't get here in addition to the "R" which is our base car. Why everyone started jumping off bridges when they announced the car with a 280HP version of the 3.5 is beyond me. This will be the entry level engine and a 300HP version will be out around the same time the car reaches the US. __________________ Robert (aka Sith Lord of LB) Former Lotus Sales 74 Elite 502 05 Elise (Snuffalupagous..RIP : Laser Blue, Black Leather, Touring Pack, Hardtop ) The Wallaby Will Ride Again

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pooky5333 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 25	AWD It would not be a proper sports car

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pooky5333 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 25	RWD It would not handle better it would just be easier to handle. It would also slow down the acceleration.

08-06-2008, 01:03 PM	#28 (permalink)
wallabyguy Club111. Got the groove? Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 5,333	The Esprit isn't a sports car. It's a Supercar/ GT. awaiting the flaming.................. __________________ Robert (aka Sith Lord of LB) Former Lotus Sales 74 Elite 502 05 Elise (Snuffalupagous..RIP : Laser Blue, Black Leather, Touring Pack, Hardtop ) The Wallaby Will Ride Again

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CK_lotus Houston, TX Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 329	Seriously, what they really ought to do is to sell the Lotus GT3!! __________________ "Lotta people go through life doing things badly. Racing's important to men who do it well. When you´re racing, it’s life, anything that happens before or after is just waiting." (Steve McQueen, 1971) Daily driver -- '07 Graphite Grey Exige S with all factory options.

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def ...ault Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,107	400HP seems good, higher than I was expecting. Hopefully this isn't a number they just made up. A lot of people who didn't like 2800lbs/285hp, should like 2800lbs/400hp. Of course we all wish that it was the same power to weight ratio as 2800/400, but more like 2400/350 __________________ //kevin - 05 Graphite Gray - Red Touring / LSS / Starshield / Stage 2 + more Last edited by def : 08-06-2008 at 04:05 PM.

08-06-2008, 02:55 PM	#35 (permalink)
jhnmdahl Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 672	Plus, they have to leave room for a couple variations of a supercar that outperforms the Evora in a few years. It seems to fill the gap between an Elise and Esprit nicely.

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pooky5333 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 25	Why is the gallardo superleggera rwd? It is light, faster and handles better...

08-06-2008, 04:23 PM	#38 (permalink)
Cegan09 Talking to myself Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Worcester or South of Boton depending on the time of year Posts: 550	correct, the gallardo superleggera still has AWD. __________________ 1987 Porsche 924S - So Close to running '05 Elise - Dads

08-06-2008, 08:10 PM	#40 (permalink)
Bavarian Motorist Live to Drive Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Rye, NY Posts: 8,369	Where did you guys get 2800 lbs from? This little piggy will weigh around 3000. Even if they release a high performance light-weight version, it probably won't lose 200 lbs. __________________ Driving a Lotus Exige with sticky... performance tires on icy roads or in standing water is about as much fun as walking a high wire treated with WD-40 - Car & Driver BWR supercharged... I suppose I "got the power" now??

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