Evora vs Porsche Panamera - LotusTalk

Randy Chase · 07-01-2009, 05:39 PM

First, do you think this is a fair car to use as a comparison to the Evora? I mean it is the only other true 4 seater and the pricing is similar (at least for the base Panamera).

Very well written article on the car by the way-
Porsche wraps a 4-door hulk in racy corset - Los Angeles Times

Murix · 07-01-2009, 05:50 PM

I think that is more a comparison for the new AM Rapide or Mercedes CLS or the Maserati Quattroporte.

I think asking if it competes against the Evora is stretching it quite a bit.

I do think Dan Neil is an excellent writer though. He really should have been chosen to run the now defunct never got off the ground floor Top Gear USA. Perhaps it would have led to a different outcome.

Randy Chase · 07-01-2009, 05:51 PM

I see your point, but I am thinking that the Evora is more the one competing against the Panamera instead of the other way around. Does that change the perspective?

Allan Gibbs · 07-01-2009, 07:31 PM

No. Personal opinions aside, the Pamamera is a four door sports sedan while the Evora's a coupe. The Pamera is more in the class of other high power sports sedan over $100,000.

xtn · 07-01-2009, 08:33 PM

I know people have been comparing it most often to a Cayman, but I really think the most similar car is a base Carrera.

...m... · 07-01-2009, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by xtn

I know people have been comparing it most often to a Cayman, but I really think the most similar car is a base Carrera.

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...comparing the panamera to the evora is not unlike comparing an XKR to an elise - they're just too different classes of vehicles to draw any meaningful conclusions...the evora isn't a true four-seater, either - just a 2+2, as much so as any of its diminuitive-package-shelf-endowed grand touring coupe competitors...

fitfan · 07-01-2009, 11:11 PM

....the rossion fumes must be getting to you man

bring the orange thing out friday at 9 to jullin?!

mopho · 07-01-2009, 11:38 PM

REPOST! <- link

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mopho · 07-01-2009, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Murix

I do think Dan Neil is an excellent writer though. He really should have been chosen to run the now defunct never got off the ground floor Top Gear USA. Perhaps it would have led to a different outcome.

He was one of the finalists for the part actually

ms355 · 07-02-2009, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Randy Chase

First, do you think this is a fair car to use as a comparison to the Evora? I mean it is the only other true 4 seater and the pricing is similar (at least for the base Panamera).

The best way to find out is this: get yourself a Panamera, sit in the back seat and have a driver take you for a trip from, say, SD to SF. Then - repeat the same with the Evora.

I think it is the Cayenne that is in the Evora's range.

Although the Panamera looks a little better in person, I was most amazed by the size of it. It is huge - by our standards. However, from all what you can read about it, it is a fine Gran Turismo car.

Murix · 07-02-2009, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by mopho

He was one of the finalists for the part actually

Yes, but he was not chosen. I am sure he was not sponser friendly. No advertising on BBC is part of the reason Top Gear even works.

lotusforsale · 07-02-2009, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ms355

I think it is the Cayenne that is in the Evora's range.

Interesting. I thought the Cayenne is an SUV.

ms355 · 07-02-2009, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by lotusforsale

Interesting. I thought the Cayenne is an SUV.

I always mix up their names.

You're right, it's the Cayman.

bull30 · 07-02-2009, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by xtn

I know people have been comparing it most often to a Cayman, but I really think the most similar car is a base Carrera.

I couldn't agree more... The Exige would be a better comparison for the Cayman S... Frankly my S-240 would suck the doors off a Cayman S and out handle it too... I know, I had a Cayman S for about 8 months. What a boring car... Porsche left the sports car market long ago... Let's face it, a Porsche is more like a GT car now, not a sports car... The are a few exceptions like the GT3RS...

I feel the Evora would be best compared with the base Carrera...

dickedup · 07-02-2009, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by xtn

I know people have been comparing it most often to a Cayman, but I really think the most similar car is a base Carrera.

How old are you?

dickedup · 07-02-2009, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by bull30

I couldn't agree more... The Exige would be a better comparison for the Cayman S... Frankly my S-240 would suck the doors off a Cayman S and out handle it too... I know, I had a Cayman S for about 8 months. What a boring car... Porsche left the sports car market long ago... Let's face it, a Porsche is more like a GT car now, not a sports car... The are a few exceptions like the GT3RS...

I feel the Evora would be best compared with the base Carrera...

Your 240 hits an aerodynamic wall up there in Speedville "Chuck Yager".

008 · 07-02-2009, 09:16 AM

Lotus will have a huge problem if the US price is anywhere near that of a base Panamera.

JohnnyQuest · 07-02-2009, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by dickedup

How old are you?

That was exactly my question!

Let's see....
The base Cayman weights a little bit less than the Evora and has 265 bhp while the S has 320 bhp. The 911 weights about 3490 lbs and has 345 bhp. (And the 911 is a rear engined car.)

But why bother with messy facts? The Evora obviously should be compared to the 911 rather than the Cayman because the 911 is...um...the more expensive and...let's see... more revered car (in spite of the fact that "Porsche left the sports car market long ago."). AND it would be so cool owning an Evora and having your buds think it was on the level of the 911.

Yeah, that makes great sense.

008 · 07-02-2009, 10:19 AM

Actually the base 911 is listed at 3,075 lbs which includes 165lbs of driver and luggage. Both are 2+2s, having nearly identical weight distribution and with a projected price of $75k would be within $1500 in msrp. Those facts sure can get messy.

xtn · 07-02-2009, 10:50 AM

Thanks for the defense 008 and the others who agreed with me.

I'm fifteen years old and I really hope to own my very own Lotus some day.

Personal insult removed. It wasn't clever enough to convey the full depth of DU's personality flaws.

xtn

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Randy Chase Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: San Diego and where ever the roads lead Posts: 28,172 Images: 761	Evora vs Porsche Panamera First, do you think this is a fair car to use as a comparison to the Evora? I mean it is the only other true 4 seater and the pricing is similar (at least for the base Panamera). Very well written article on the car by the way- Porsche wraps a 4-door hulk in racy corset - Los Angeles Times __________________ [b]* V E R I T A S * A E Q U I T A S [/b] We have been feeling the buzz since 2002 2006 Noble M400. Getrag tranny, Quaiffe LSD, Hinged clams. Duratec dual turbo V6. Hoosier 315-18 tires. 2350 pounds. Over 500hp. Track weapon. 2009 Rossion Q1. [color=orange]Monaco Orange. [/color]Wing. Black leather/Alcantara with orange stitching. The street car. In build: 2009 Toniq R (300whp? 1100 pounds?). [color=orange]Chrome Orange. [/color] Lexus GX-470 tow vehicle. [color=blue]“Busy at times off the forum and scary* actually off the Internets. So I may not see your pm or emails for a while"[/color]

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Randy Chase Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: San Diego and where ever the roads lead Posts: 28,172 Images: 761	I see your point, but I am thinking that the Evora is more the one competing against the Panamera instead of the other way around. Does that change the perspective? __________________ [b]* V E R I T A S * A E Q U I T A S [/b] We have been feeling the buzz since 2002 2006 Noble M400. Getrag tranny, Quaiffe LSD, Hinged clams. Duratec dual turbo V6. Hoosier 315-18 tires. 2350 pounds. Over 500hp. Track weapon. 2009 Rossion Q1. [color=orange]Monaco Orange. [/color]Wing. Black leather/Alcantara with orange stitching. The street car. In build: 2009 Toniq R (300whp? 1100 pounds?). [color=orange]Chrome Orange. [/color] Lexus GX-470 tow vehicle. [color=blue]“Busy at times off the forum and scary* actually off the Internets. So I may not see your pm or emails for a while"[/color]

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Allan Gibbs Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Glendale, CA (formerly Gilbert, AZ) Posts: 5,382	No. Personal opinions aside, the Pamamera is a four door sports sedan while the Evora's a coupe. The Pamera is more in the class of other high power sports sedan over $100,000. __________________ 2005 BRP Elise- SOLD 6/9/07 2006 MV Agusta F4S - SOLD 4/30/09 2008 Audi TT (MKII) 2009 Audi A4 2009 Ducati 1198

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xtn McLareghini Bugatterrari Join Date: May 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 6,841	I know people have been comparing it most often to a Cayman, but I really think the most similar car is a base Carrera. __________________ 2006 McLareghini Bugatterrari, Storm Titanium... <mods> installed: air horn, Scroth 4-point ASM harnesses, Sector111 halon extinguisher and mounting bracket, Von Hep exhaust and rear panel delete, Pagid brake pads, red Volks CE28n wheels, Toyo RA-1 tires, Nitron SA coilovers, Sector111 (WorksBell) quick-disconnect steering wheel kit. awaiting installation: Scroth "pull-up" lap belts, Sector111 RTD Brace, Tony's heater bypass mod, and dropped steering rack mounting plates. </mods>

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Murix Rotary Refugee Join Date: May 2007 Location: Santa Monica Posts: 995 Images: 3	I think that is more a comparison for the new AM Rapide or Mercedes CLS or the Maserati Quattroporte. I think asking if it competes against the Evora is stretching it quite a bit. I do think Dan Neil is an excellent writer though. He really should have been chosen to run the now defunct never got off the ground floor Top Gear USA. Perhaps it would have led to a different outcome.

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008 Sexual Philanthropist Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,170	Lotus will have a huge problem if the US price is anywhere near that of a base Panamera. __________________ Sold: Ardent Red, LSS, Touring, Hard Top 08 Cayman S Black, floormats

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008 Sexual Philanthropist Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,170	Actually the base 911 is listed at 3,075 lbs which includes 165lbs of driver and luggage. Both are 2+2s, having nearly identical weight distribution and with a projected price of $75k would be within $1500 in msrp. Those facts sure can get messy. __________________ Sold: Ardent Red, LSS, Touring, Hard Top 08 Cayman S Black, floormats

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xtn McLareghini Bugatterrari Join Date: May 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 6,841	Thanks for the defense 008 and the others who agreed with me. I'm fifteen years old and I really hope to own my very own Lotus some day. Personal insult removed. It wasn't clever enough to convey the full depth of DU's personality flaws. xtn __________________ 2006 McLareghini Bugatterrari, Storm Titanium... <mods> installed: air horn, Scroth 4-point ASM harnesses, Sector111 halon extinguisher and mounting bracket, Von Hep exhaust and rear panel delete, Pagid brake pads, red Volks CE28n wheels, Toyo RA-1 tires, Nitron SA coilovers, Sector111 (WorksBell) quick-disconnect steering wheel kit. awaiting installation: Scroth "pull-up" lap belts, Sector111 RTD Brace, Tony's heater bypass mod, and dropped steering rack mounting plates. </mods> Last edited by xtn : 07-02-2009 at 11:15 AM.

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