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Old 02-26-2013, 07:03 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Lotus S Ips vs 991 Carrera S Pdk new issue of Road & Track - Lotus Wins

I received the new Road & Track yesterday (yellow Viper on cover). There is a comparison test between the Lotus Evora S Ips and 991 Carrera S pdk.

The Lotus wins the comparison mainly because it is a lot more fun to drive. The 991 is faster in every performance category and don't quote me, but beats the Evora S by about 4 seconds on the road course, I think, 1:46 to 1:42.

The Evora S gets a glowing review but its downfall is the IPS transmission which the writer states is neither intelligent or precise. According to R & T the IPS transmission is a Toyota Camry trans with no modifications except for software.

Its good to see that Fun to Drive wins the day over 0-60 and Nurburgring times. Good job Evora S!!!

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Nice - mine should be arriving soon. Looking forward to the read
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Can't wait to get my copy. The writer is Jack Baruth, one of my favorites, right there with the Top Gear folks, Chris Harris etc. More articles by him at ttac - Jack Baruth | The Truth About Cars
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Can't wait to get my copy. The writer is Jack Baruth, one of my favorites, right there with the Top Gear folks, Chris Harris etc. More articles by him at ttac - Jack Baruth | The Truth About Cars
You're right, Jack wrote it. He's the best. I love the truthaboutcars, its the best site.
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just got my issue in th email and read the article right away.

Seems very much so like he "gets it"...and agrees with most of us on some of the minor (not so stellar) points of the Evora...but overall...not much drives like Lotus
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Just read this article last night. While I certainly agree with and am excited by his appreciation for the Evora, the article seems poorly conceived to me. Firstly, the Carrera S as tested cost $145k while the Evora cost $97k. That's a 50% increase in price. I know he gives the Evora "points" in his scoring for lower price, but is this even a fair comparison from the outset? Why not compare the Evora S and the base Carrera + PDK, which would be a closer (but still Porsche-biased) price comparison? Additionally, I'm very skeptical of a score-based comparison in which there is almost a 5 second differential on a 2.2 mile track between the two cars and ultimately the slower car wins the overall test.

Don't get me wrong - I love my Evora more than life itself and appreciate any and all good press Lotus can get. However, IMHO this attempt to quantitatively (via scoring) show the Evora wins this comparison just seems strained and a bit like shooting an arrow then painting a bullseye around where it lands.
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Road and track is quite possibly the worst rag out there. Nice for us but a BS article none the less.
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Did you read it?


While I agree the price differential was significant ( and it wasn't even really mentioned in the body of the article) the outcome of the review was basically which car provided more pleasure. Not necessarily the better performance.


Maybe the title of the article was misleading, but the gist was which car you should buy? Well in his opinion that is the car that put a bigger smile on your face and that was the evora



While I also agree car mags can be a bag of ****, and there is loads of bias out there, it was good to see someone point out the nuances if a car vice the badge.
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Keep in mind that the Evora scored 370.7 and the Porsche 370.0, do its not liked it was a blow out. The author seriously ripped the POS nature, feel and performance of the IPS and raved about the PDK. Ultimately it was the other aspect of the Evora (a huge part being the price in comparison to the Porsche) that caused it to rack up points and narrowly eek out the Porsche.

According to the author it's just plain a much more enjoyable car to drive. Everybody in unison now....... DUH!!!
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I wonder how he would have felt about comparing the Evora with a 997.2 PDK which still had mechanical feel and perhaps is more engaged than the the new 991. Btw, the 991S is wicked fast, I think it was quicker on some tracks than the old GT3; but speed isn't everything.

Speaking of which, another interesting article that the Evo magazine did comparing the Evora with the GTR. At the end there is no one car for everyone and I like reviews that can talk about the nuances of each.

Lotus Evora v Nissan GT-R | Performance car group test | evo

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with this telling nugget - But despite its capabilities the GT-R doesnít tamper with the laws of physics Ė it does feel heavy after the Lotus and has to work harder to retain control. The Evora flows, dances, glides and sweeps along these roads. The GT-R stomps. Itís never clumsy, but itís always angry, bellowing along, forcing its personality on you, always the dominant partner.
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I will say...the new motor in the Carrera S sounds very very nice from the outside.
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I will say...the new motor in the Carrera S sounds very very nice from the outside.
It could hardly make up for the looks of that Porsche.
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Road and track is quite possibly the worst rag out there. Nice for us but a BS article none the less.
Is there a good American car magazine? It is like asking if there is a good American car show. The answer is no! Americans just don't know how to do it...
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It was nice to see an Evora win, but I have to wonder. In the early reviews, almost all of the magazines did not like the manual gear box. So what does Lotus do, they offer an automatic. And the review says he would rather have the manual trans. I agree by the way on manual over auto. If the Evora had a PDK, like they said in this article, they would find something else to gripe about. Like I said at least the Evora won.
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It was nice to see an Evora win, but I have to wonder. In the early reviews, almost all of the magazines did not like the manual gear box. So what does Lotus do, they offer an automatic. And the review says he would rather have the manual trans. I agree by the way on manual over auto. If the Evora had a PDK, like they said in this article, they would find something else to gripe about. Like I said at least the Evora won.
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I dunno, Ron. I think he was fair in the review. He gave the PDK high marks.
To say that if it was in the Lotus he would have bashed it is probably not accurate.

I haven't driven the GT-R but I imagine the comparison notes are pretty accurate. The GT-R is a beast that's like trying to ride a bucking bull (which makes it fun in that sense), while the Evora is like riding a well trained horse....controllable and predictable and enjoyable for those exact reasons.

Now let's not bring into the equation aesthetically pleasing to the eye, because we all know which car would bury the other in that comparison.
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I can under stand this. My 2011 Elise SC is more fun to drive than the 2013 Boxster S manual or PDK. I didn't know how good my car was untill I drove the Porsche!
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I would love to see a comparison of the Evora S and 991 S, both with manual transmissions.
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[QUOTE=GuppyCaptain;1851617]I dunno, Ron. I think he was fair in the review. He gave the PDK high marks.
To say that if it was in the Lotus he would have bashed it is probably not accurate.


I did mean they would bash the Evora overall, Just that they would find something to pick on. I like Road & Track, it is my favorite car Mag. I trust them the most.
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We can all agree that our car with a PDK type transmission would be amazing. That would be far more important to me if buying another one than more HP.
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We can all agree that our car with a PDK type transmission would be amazing. That would be far more important to me if buying another one than more HP.
We can't ALL agree that an Evora with a PDK would be amazing because some of us consider anything but a manual in a true sports car to be sacrilege.

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