Poll 70K Evora.. yeah or nay - Page 3 - LotusTalk

Jet-X · 08-06-2008, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sownman

The Evora will be a MAJOR disaster. It's getting 42% negative on a Lotus fansite. For $100K I'd be buying a Tesla. Better looks, better performance, Better green, and no gas bill.

If the Evora comes in at the $70k price point, over the course of 5 years of daily driving/fill ups @ $4.50 a gallon, you'll still have substantial coin in your pocket compared to buying a Tesla. Better green, could be debated (remember, the Tesla isn't solar charged/power). Better performance? On a track I suppose, but then again the Evora with the larger cockpit/back seat (sure it won't fit adults) makes it more "practical" than a Tesla.

And no gas bill? Wait'll you see your electric bill

Genomaxter · 08-06-2008, 05:04 PM

If you want to know about the engines current aftermarket group, look up the Lexus IS 350 car groups. They are the ones already steaming ahead in this engines upgrade department.

LotusUSA · 08-06-2008, 06:02 PM

I believe the car is a great car but it's not fair to compare it to an elise or exige. The car is for a different market base. Just my 2cents

Sownman · 08-08-2008, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Jet-X

If the Evora comes in at the $70k price point, over the course of 5 years of daily driving/fill ups @ $4.50 a gallon, you'll still have substantial coin in your pocket compared to buying a Tesla. Better green, could be debated (remember, the Tesla isn't solar charged/power). Better performance? On a track I suppose, but then again the Evora with the larger cockpit/back seat (sure it won't fit adults) makes it more "practical" than a Tesla.

And no gas bill? Wait'll you see your electric bill

The problem with you figure is "5 years of daily driving/fill ups @ $4.50 a gallon" you left out the distance. 6 miles a day is a lot different than the 75 a day I do. Also "(remember, the Tesla isn't solar charged/power)." How could you possibly know that ? Have you been to my house ? You are aware that some people have solar panels right ? You are aware that electrical generation will probably be moving towards nuclear,wind,solar in the future.

The last time I did a comparison of traditional vehicle vs hybrid it was a Civic.
It was when gas was under $2. Figuring in the sticker price difference and my annual mileage at that gas price I would not hit the break even point for18 years, and the standard Civic was cleaner burning. But now gas is $4.50 and the Tesla is ZERO gas and ZERO emmison. I doubt it would take 18 years to hit the break even point. IIRC Tesla was claiming based on electrical bills that it gets in $ terms 135 MPG.

At any rate the Tesla and Evora would be drastically different experiences.
I've always been a Lotus fan. I've driven and owned Lotus. The Evora is certainly not your grandfathers Lotus. Big mistake.

Steve

Jet-X · 08-09-2008, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Sownman

The problem with you figure is "5 years of daily driving/fill ups @ $4.50 a gallon" you left out the distance. 6 miles a day is a lot different than the 75 a day I do. Also "(remember, the Tesla isn't solar charged/power)." How could you possibly know that ? Have you been to my house ? You are aware that some people have solar panels right ? You are aware that electrical generation will probably be moving towards nuclear,wind,solar in the future.

I factored a weekly fill up, and I drive 70 miles a day. Using an Elise vs. a Tesla as an example, you still have plenty of money in your pocket. And I highly doubt anyone is buying an Evora as a daily driver. Sure, some will, but that's in the minority.

As for the solar powered comment, I'm glad you have solar power. 99.99% of residents do not. I'm all for alternate energy sources in the future, but I have to live in the now, not the future.

fitfan · 08-09-2008, 02:22 PM

alternative energy sources like solar are here right now - its a choice, not a mandate.

RichS · 08-25-2008, 10:21 PM

Back on topic...

Michelle read the article about the Evora in Car and Driver and said 'Wow! That looks great! We should get one of those." C&D had it at $65K, so she thinks it's only 10/15K more than my Exige.

I'm thinking, "Wow, we could be a two Lotus family!", but then she says...

"It's probably a good time to sell your Exige, right?".

Nope... Never a good time to sell!

JLStrange · 08-26-2008, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DeanG

The Evora convertible may be perfect for me. It looks to be: Something my wife and I can get into and out of with a struggle. Comfortable for cross country touring, Reliable, Good handling, Reasonably quick, Fun at less than triple digit speeds.

I am past the point of wanting to be the fastest thing on the road. Something is always faster, more radical, more expensive… I want something fun and capable of doing a multitude of things well. Basically I want a Lotus that merges the top down practicality of the M100 with the fun of the Elise. I think that is spelled Evora.

Agree completely. At my age (64) (and extra poundage) it's easy to get in and out of my M100 where the Elise would require a lift. ;-).

...m... · 08-26-2008, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by RichS

I'm thinking, "Wow, we could be a two Lotus family!", but then she says..."It's probably a good time to sell your Exige, right?".

...i doubt we'll see a dealer-delivered federal evora before 2011; late 2010 at the earliest...

FIRME · 08-26-2008, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ...m...

...i doubt we'll see a dealer-delivered federal evora before 2011; late 2010 at the earliest...

Although production will start in the fall of '09, some think delivery will happen by Dec. '09 however, a more realistic delivery time would be Jan./Feb. of 2010 as a MY2010.

Allan Gibbs · 08-26-2008, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by FIRME

Although production will start in the fall of '09, some think delivery will happen by Dec. '09 however, a more realistic delivery time would be Jan./Feb. of 2010 as a MY2010.

That works for me since I'm committed for 32 more months.

Anyone know if the Evora S suppose to be out the following year as a 2011?

...m... · 08-26-2008, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Allan Gibbs

That works for me since I'm committed for 32 more months.

Anyone know if the Evora S suppose to be out the following year as a 2011?

...i think it'd be wise to wait for the first car to ship before planning around second-generation vaporware...

Allan Gibbs · 08-26-2008, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ...m...

...i think it'd be wise to wait for the first car to ship before planning around second-generation vaporware...

Now that you mentioned it, on the Evora forum (yes, the Evora forum), someone speculates that the Evora S may have problems meeting European emission standards:

Evora and the Evora S - Evora Forum

Noisycow · 08-28-2008, 04:01 PM

I don't like it, but after seeing one in solid color where the door lines are not so pronounced - it is better.

Lotus Evora - True character in a faceless world.

Allan Gibbs · 08-28-2008, 04:22 PM

I know what you mean. I love Canyon Red but seeing the Evora in Canyon Red really didn't do it for me. I like the Evora in titanium, silver or light blue.

CK_lotus · 08-28-2008, 05:24 PM

I would rather buy another Exige with even more HP.

Rob T · 09-05-2008, 05:30 PM

I don't understand why so many people here think the $70k is too high.

What do people think the new Exige's prices are?

My 2007 Exige S (2006 build date) had an MSRP of over $64k (track pack etc). So $70k seems about right.

I'm disappointed that it is as heavy as it is though.

FLuXeXigeS · 09-05-2008, 05:44 PM

haha yea my S was close to $70K after tax and dmv fees LOL

Allan Gibbs · 09-05-2008, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob T

I don't understand why so many people here think the $70k is too high.

What do people think the new Exige's prices are?

My 2007 Exige S (2006 build date) had an MSRP of over $64k (track pack etc). So $70k seems about right.

I'm disappointed that it is as heavy as it is though.

I think some people think the Exige S' are price too high. Hence the $10K discounts at some dealers.

Seriously, the price is dependent on what's offered. If the Evora was $70K with 330 - 350hp or came in at 2,500 pounds, I think the $70K price would be reasonable.

The way I'm seeing it is the Evora is a Cayman/Boxster competitor (MAYBE and a big maybe the Audi TTS). That being said, I've seen Cayman with options going around high $60s to $70k. So, I won't say the Evora's outrageously overpriced but it doesn't see as enticing as the Elise or Exige S when they came out.

orangeflash · 10-07-2008, 04:14 PM

almost the same specs of a 350z. 3200 vs. 3000 lbs. 287 Hp vs. 280 Hp
This thing looks better than a Ferrari in my book. Reminds me of the 360 Modena.
You could also consider the new Gt-r in this price range.

View Poll Results: Evora 70K yeah or neah
Yes, wait list please	34	16.11%
Waiting for the reviews.	34	16.11%
Waiting for Convertible	18	8.53%
Waiting for SC version	43	20.38%
Not my cup of tea. (insert too heavy, expensive, 911 uber alles)	82	38.86%
Voters: 211. You may not vote on this poll

08-06-2008, 06:02 PM	#43 (permalink)
LotusUSA The Architect Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Fishers, IN Posts: 537	I believe the car is a great car but it's not fair to compare it to an elise or exige. The car is for a different market base. Just my 2cents __________________ "More power makes it fast on the straight, less weight makes it fast everywhere." - Colin Chapman 2006 BRITISH RACING GREEN EXIGE 2005 SAFFRON YELLOW ELISE (R.I.P.)

08-09-2008, 02:22 PM	#46 (permalink)
fitfan Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Diego! Posts: 3,127	alternative energy sources like solar are here right now - its a choice, not a mandate. __________________ Driving it around!

08-25-2008, 10:21 PM	#47 (permalink)
RichS No, it's only an N/A Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 2,182	Back on topic... Michelle read the article about the Evora in Car and Driver and said 'Wow! That looks great! We should get one of those." C&D had it at $65K, so she thinks it's only 10/15K more than my Exige. I'm thinking, "Wow, we could be a two Lotus family!", but then she says... "It's probably a good time to sell your Exige, right?". Nope... Never a good time to sell! __________________ 2006 Phantom Black Exige - Touring, LSD, Track Pack, Starshield, Multivex Mirrors, Valentine One in MattG's bracket, Painted Shift Knob, Bootie, Increased range of remote, Tinted side windows, Black Lotus Nose Badge, 4Tress Harness Bar, Schroth PROFI II ASM Harness, Trickster's Black and Silver Wheel Cap Inserts, Panasonic FX01 on a ChaseCam camera mount, Powder Coated Gas Cap Cover, Soft Top mod with Touring Soft Top, Lotus Track Toe Link, Carbon Fiber AC Surround, Voltphreaks battery

08-28-2008, 04:01 PM	#54 (permalink)
Noisycow Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 784	I don't like it, but after seeing one in solid color where the door lines are not so pronounced - it is better. Lotus Evora - True character in a faceless world. __________________ - - The Invisible Man in the Sky

08-06-2008, 05:04 PM	#42 (permalink)
Genomaxter Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 88	If you want to know about the engines current aftermarket group, look up the Lexus IS 350 car groups. They are the ones already steaming ahead in this engines upgrade department.

08-28-2008, 04:22 PM	#55 (permalink)
Allan Gibbs Evora Waiter (2010/2011) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Glendale, CA (formerly Gilbert, AZ) Posts: 5,066	I know what you mean. I love Canyon Red but seeing the Evora in Canyon Red really didn't do it for me. I like the Evora in titanium, silver or light blue. __________________ 2005 BRP Elise- SOLD 6/9/07 2006 MV Agusta F4S 2008 Audi TT (MKII)

08-28-2008, 05:24 PM	#56 (permalink)
CK_lotus Houston, TX Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 329	I would rather buy another Exige with even more HP. __________________ "Lotta people go through life doing things badly. Racing's important to men who do it well. When you´re racing, it’s life, anything that happens before or after is just waiting." (Steve McQueen, 1971) Daily driver -- '07 Graphite Grey Exige S with all factory options.

09-05-2008, 05:30 PM	#57 (permalink)
Rob T Rotary Refugee #2 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Riverside, CA Posts: 1,211	I don't understand why so many people here think the $70k is too high. What do people think the new Exige's prices are? My 2007 Exige S (2006 build date) had an MSRP of over $64k (track pack etc). So $70k seems about right. I'm disappointed that it is as heavy as it is though.

09-05-2008, 05:44 PM	#58 (permalink)
FLuXeXigeS ...disappearing posts... Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: SoCal/AZ/NV Posts: 4,366	haha yea my S was close to $70K after tax and dmv fees LOL __________________ -Coi-'07 AR Exige S+Gotham, Von Hep, corner balanced&tuned SACHS, 6k HID, JVC KD-NX5000, Alpine 4ch. amp, JL stealth box, s111 rear towhook and harness bar, Starshield, TG4 1/4 turn fasteners, SS brake lines, bling bling eng bay, painted calipers, TD 1.2 wheels w/ Toyo R888, Safecraft harnesses, DRL delete, s111 CRD mount. add me: www.myspace.com/kandyredcoi & lotuscar.ning.com/profile/KandyRedCoi

10-07-2008, 04:14 PM	#60 (permalink)
orangeflash Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 9	almost the same specs of a 350z. 3200 vs. 3000 lbs. 287 Hp vs. 280 Hp This thing looks better than a Ferrari in my book. Reminds me of the 360 Modena. You could also consider the new Gt-r in this price range.

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