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charliex · 01-08-2009, 02:20 PM

So does the 2008 ECU/program run a 2007 car ? (the cluster won't work, but does the rest ?) or will it all fail horribly.

Either read the circuit diagrams or find out in 10 minutes or so from now when my battery is charged.... damn people tripping over my battery maintainer lead...

Bavarian Motorist · 01-08-2009, 02:21 PM

The moment of truth...

charliex · 01-08-2009, 02:46 PM

And the answer is ... .

Yes !

Cluster doesn't work, but i knew that going in, i think i can make the pre 08 cluster work with the new firmware, or you can obviously update to the 08 cluster, i'll have to go over the wiring changes to the cluster pack and see whats what, it might need a harness adapter even for the 07 if they moved stuff around, i know they moved some of it around.

What are the benefits of a 2008+ tune in an 07 car?

No K line , woo ! its all CAN bus and order of magnitude faster than K line, though the CAN speed is 500Kbps instead of 1000Kbps so its actually slower in a 2008 but faster than K line., but if i get the cluster to work i intend to change it to 1000Kbps again, this will break the OBD II tools but i don't care about them.

Tyre pressure warning, yeah thats useful..

Variable traction control, already got that in my 07, so yeah not useful either.

Longer lifetime, most OEMs stop updating the tunes for cars after a few runs, this might prolong it a bit, and any improvements lotus have added to the new cars software.

So on to the cluster, i know most people want the 08 cluster in the 07 car, but i don't have one yet..

Noel · 01-08-2009, 04:11 PM

Thanks for the update Charlie, definitely useful information. Will keep checking in on your cluster progress (if-any).

charliex · 01-08-2009, 04:33 PM

I'm already knee deep in the code to change the can timing , so lets see how it goes.

i will drink its mikshake.

charliex · 01-08-2009, 05:10 PM

Stage 1 complete!

As you can see here its 1,000,000 baud not 500,000 and you can see the extra 2008 0x401 message which sends text to the cluster, in this case it writes "FAULT"

The layout is different so next i have to change all that...

but my 2007 cluster is chatting to the 2008 ECU.

Brent Bauman · 01-08-2009, 05:21 PM

You are confusing me again.

Scrumpot · 01-08-2009, 05:29 PM

I've already got an '08 car with an '08 cluster, so that pretty much just takes all good care of that by itself!

No?

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charliex · 01-08-2009, 05:42 PM

Yep if you have an 08, you don't need the 08 update

I've been sending out the 2008 265's already.

Dragon · 01-24-2009, 04:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by charliex

Variable traction control, already got that in my 07, so yeah not useful either.

So how much is involved with updating the 06 traction control to the variable traction control? I would definitely like to do this.

charliex · 01-24-2009, 08:11 AM

Reprogram the ecu, additions to or change out the harness , control switch.

there's an extra pin needed to run to the ecu.

Darth G-F · 01-24-2009, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by charliex

Reprogram the ecu, additions to or change out the harness , control switch.

there's an extra pin needed to run to the ecu.

Could you just program a more aggressive TC setting (supposing I don't want the hassle of adding a control switch)?

charliex · 01-24-2009, 08:56 AM

Dragon · 01-24-2009, 01:13 PM

Hmm.. So I'm going to need a tune for a TVS blower @ 10psi boost with a 2 liter stroke kit with 10.5:1 pistons, built head, Walboro 255 fuel pump, larger injectors (720cc maybe), High flow cat and a bunch of other little stuff. I'd like to do this some time toward the end this year and put it in my 06 Exige. Of course I'd want the traction control tweaked as well. The issue with doing any of this is of course the tuning to make it all work. Somebody back in the USA needs to build this so Charlie can get a proper tune ready for me in advance.

Power is cool, but I also want the addition torque increase the longer stroked 2 liter will add to the mix.

ZJChaser · 01-24-2009, 02:07 PM

Charlie, talking with AIM they said that the 08 would be able to transmit all of the ECU data to the AIM dash because of the CAN or something along those lines.

so what if an 08 ECU was swapped in with an AIM dash. all parameters then avaiable to the dash? and then no need for the stock dash to work with it.

charliex · 01-24-2009, 02:12 PM

they're somewhat mistaken, only the PID's supported on the MY08 are available, which is more data but not all the info.

I could adapt a MY08 to a MY07 though, since the big change is the cluster, but the stock cluster wouldn't work. Well , i have done that since i did it with my car already!

charliex · 01-24-2009, 02:12 PM

heh, dragon, good luck finding someone to do that, i'd like to see the stroker too.

jim-clayton · 01-24-2009, 02:28 PM

need a stroker that's 2.2 L or bigger

Jermaine@VF · 01-26-2009, 02:50 PM

Dude do you sleep at all? :-)

kestrel74 · 01-26-2009, 02:55 PM

Charlie.......some days I wish I were on the same planet as you !!!!!!

01-08-2009, 02:20 PM	#1 (permalink)
charliex OSX Black hat Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Las Vegas , NV Posts: 9,935	Answers to questions nobody asked. (or does the 2008 ecu work in a 2007/6) So does the 2008 ECU/program run a 2007 car ? (the cluster won't work, but does the rest ?) or will it all fail horribly. Either read the circuit diagrams or find out in 10 minutes or so from now when my battery is charged.... damn people tripping over my battery maintainer lead... __________________ Black Exige S - http://goth.am 265 Mule / Elan M100.ECU Tuning, http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39660 West Coast Lotus Meet - Las Vegas - November 6-9 2009 http://www.westcoastlotus.com/ Last edited by charliex : 01-08-2009 at 03:02 PM.

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01-08-2009, 02:46 PM	#3 (permalink)
charliex OSX Black hat Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Las Vegas , NV Posts: 9,935	And the answer is ... . Yes ! Cluster doesn't work, but i knew that going in, i think i can make the pre 08 cluster work with the new firmware, or you can obviously update to the 08 cluster, i'll have to go over the wiring changes to the cluster pack and see whats what, it might need a harness adapter even for the 07 if they moved stuff around, i know they moved some of it around. What are the benefits of a 2008+ tune in an 07 car? No K line , woo ! its all CAN bus and order of magnitude faster than K line, though the CAN speed is 500Kbps instead of 1000Kbps so its actually slower in a 2008 but faster than K line., but if i get the cluster to work i intend to change it to 1000Kbps again, this will break the OBD II tools but i don't care about them. Tyre pressure warning, yeah thats useful.. Variable traction control, already got that in my 07, so yeah not useful either. Longer lifetime, most OEMs stop updating the tunes for cars after a few runs, this might prolong it a bit, and any improvements lotus have added to the new cars software. So on to the cluster, i know most people want the 08 cluster in the 07 car, but i don't have one yet.. __________________ Black Exige S - http://goth.am 265 Mule / Elan M100.ECU Tuning, http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39660 West Coast Lotus Meet - Las Vegas - November 6-9 2009 http://www.westcoastlotus.com/

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charliex OSX Black hat Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Las Vegas , NV Posts: 9,935	I'm already knee deep in the code to change the can timing , so lets see how it goes. i will drink its mikshake. __________________ Black Exige S - http://goth.am 265 Mule / Elan M100.ECU Tuning, http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39660 West Coast Lotus Meet - Las Vegas - November 6-9 2009 http://www.westcoastlotus.com/

01-08-2009, 05:10 PM	#6 (permalink)
charliex OSX Black hat Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Las Vegas , NV Posts: 9,935	Stage 1 complete! As you can see here its 1,000,000 baud not 500,000 and you can see the extra 2008 0x401 message which sends text to the cluster, in this case it writes "FAULT" The layout is different so next i have to change all that... but my 2007 cluster is chatting to the 2008 ECU. Attached Images __________________ Black Exige S - http://goth.am 265 Mule / Elan M100.ECU Tuning, http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39660 West Coast Lotus Meet - Las Vegas - November 6-9 2009 http://www.westcoastlotus.com/

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Noel Exige Cup 255 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: 33.87°S 151.21°E Car: ロータス MKII エキシージ Type: Komo-Tec S300 Posts: 324	Thanks for the update Charlie, definitely useful information. Will keep checking in on your cluster progress (if-any).

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Brent Bauman right seat driver Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tustin Ranch, Ca Posts: 827	You are confusing me again.

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01-08-2009, 05:42 PM	#9 (permalink)
charliex OSX Black hat Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Las Vegas , NV Posts: 9,935	Yep if you have an 08, you don't need the 08 update I've been sending out the 2008 265's already. __________________ Black Exige S - http://goth.am 265 Mule / Elan M100.ECU Tuning, http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39660 West Coast Lotus Meet - Las Vegas - November 6-9 2009 http://www.westcoastlotus.com/

01-24-2009, 08:11 AM	#11 (permalink)
charliex OSX Black hat Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Las Vegas , NV Posts: 9,935	Reprogram the ecu, additions to or change out the harness , control switch. there's an extra pin needed to run to the ecu. __________________ Black Exige S - http://goth.am 265 Mule / Elan M100.ECU Tuning, http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39660 West Coast Lotus Meet - Las Vegas - November 6-9 2009 http://www.westcoastlotus.com/

01-24-2009, 08:56 AM	#13 (permalink)
charliex OSX Black hat Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Las Vegas , NV Posts: 9,935	yes __________________ Black Exige S - http://goth.am 265 Mule / Elan M100.ECU Tuning, http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39660 West Coast Lotus Meet - Las Vegas - November 6-9 2009 http://www.westcoastlotus.com/

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Dragon Hydrocarbons Rule Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Okinawa Japan Posts: 1,742 Images: 2	Hmm.. So I'm going to need a tune for a TVS blower @ 10psi boost with a 2 liter stroke kit with 10.5:1 pistons, built head, Walboro 255 fuel pump, larger injectors (720cc maybe), High flow cat and a bunch of other little stuff. I'd like to do this some time toward the end this year and put it in my 06 Exige. Of course I'd want the traction control tweaked as well. The issue with doing any of this is of course the tuning to make it all work. Somebody back in the USA needs to build this so Charlie can get a proper tune ready for me in advance. Power is cool, but I also want the addition torque increase the longer stroked 2 liter will add to the mix. __________________ 2006 Exige; BWR Supercharger, Adj Sway Bar, Ohlins Suspension, BSK Oil Catch Can, Moroso Oil Pan, ORC Clutch, Custom Exhaust, Black Volk Racing CE28N's w/ Toyo R1R's, 2 piece rotors, Pagid Blue Pads, BSK Wet Carbon (Side Skirts, Front Lip Spoiler, Gas Cap Cover, Center Console, Door Panels), Dry Carbon rear Diffuser, Harness Bar, BWR Gauge Mount, OMP Superquadro steering wheel, LETSLA Short Shifter, V2arms, Rear Tow Link Brace, RLS Battery Bracket, BOE Tow Bar, Stickers.

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01-24-2009, 02:12 PM	#16 (permalink)
charliex OSX Black hat Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Las Vegas , NV Posts: 9,935	they're somewhat mistaken, only the PID's supported on the MY08 are available, which is more data but not all the info. I could adapt a MY08 to a MY07 though, since the big change is the cluster, but the stock cluster wouldn't work. Well , i have done that since i did it with my car already! __________________ Black Exige S - http://goth.am 265 Mule / Elan M100.ECU Tuning, http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39660 West Coast Lotus Meet - Las Vegas - November 6-9 2009 http://www.westcoastlotus.com/

01-24-2009, 02:12 PM	#17 (permalink)
charliex OSX Black hat Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Las Vegas , NV Posts: 9,935	heh, dragon, good luck finding someone to do that, i'd like to see the stroker too. __________________ Black Exige S - http://goth.am 265 Mule / Elan M100.ECU Tuning, http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39660 West Coast Lotus Meet - Las Vegas - November 6-9 2009 http://www.westcoastlotus.com/

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